Local activist blames current Detroit woes on "natural slaves"

**Hypestyles** · April-01-12, 11:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkFPN...&feature=email

somebody sent this to me today. It's pretty long-- and goes into any number of tangents. I'll leave it at that..

**Danny** · April-02-12, 12:51 PM

All of these social know-it-alls blame the downfall of Detroit on segregation, middle class white flight, suburban development, slum clearance of Black bottom and Paradise Valley, demarcation, restrictive covenants, urban disinvestment, race riots of 1943 and rebellious riots of 1967, real estate racial urban steering, poor police protection, poor Detroit Public School system, insurance red-lining, the election of Coleman A. Young and his racial comments, collapse of the automobile industry to foriegn autobile companies, more violent crime, fast growing black communities from the River to 8 Mile Rd. since 1975, corrupt city government after mayor Pingree left office, Kwame Kilpatrick's Manoogian Parties. And to close the coffin over 200,000 middle income black families left. What's left in Detroit, today:

1. Over 50,000 or more vacant lots.

2. Over 200,000 vacant and abandon buildings.

3. Over 590,000 black Detroiters are stuck in their crime laden ghettohoods.

4. The rest of the white ethnic folks are trying their best to survive in the Detroit's ghettoes.

5. The city is dead flat broke and Lansing is about to kick Detroit city government out of handling money issues by sending an emergency manager dictator or a consent financial team.

Living in Detroit in 2010 is like living the South Bronx or across north of 110th Street to the dangerous streets of Harlem of 1960s to 1980s. The suburbs trying to ignore Detroit's cries for help, but some of the suburbanites would have to chip in to keep Detroiters for making a ruckus when the passiing north of 8 Mile Rd. or west of Five Points St. Detroit is a doom and gloom phase and its going to take either government or its people to clean up over 100 years of mess.

WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET

R.I.P. White Detroit b.1701 d.1974

R.I.P. Black Detroit b.1975 d.2012

Will the Mexicans/Hispanic take over Detroit? I can see that coming by the year 2066.

For the 99 Percenters and Spirit of Guy Fawkes, I miss you so, Neda.

For Trayvon Martin.

**Wesley Mouch** · April-03-12, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Danny

... The suburbs trying to ignore Detroit's cries for help...

For Trayvon Martin.

What 'cries for help'? I can't think of any requests for assistance. Gov. Snyder is sending help. He doesn't seem to be receiving a welcome wagon.

For even-handed justice for both Martin and Zimmerman -- based on truth.

**313hero** · April-03-12, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

What 'cries for help'? I can't think of any requests for assistance. Gov. Snyder is sending help. He doesn't seem to be receiving a welcome wagon.

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Can You or anyone show how State Takeovers "help"?

**Scottathew** · April-03-12, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by 313hero

Can You or anyone show how State Takeovers "help"?

They make massive cuts and balance budgets. The goal isn't to improve service, but to balance the budget and provide services more efficiently.

They "help" balance the budget.

**j to the jeremy** · April-04-12, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by 48091

They make massive cuts and balance budgets. The goal isn't to improve service, but to balance the budget and provide services more efficiently.

They "help" balance the budget.

Which is why I don't understand the animosity directed at people who know their services will be cut, and who are upset in public meetings. Some of the people on this board must think that an EFM would shit rainbows. Like I said in another thread- riots are par for the course in Europe when stuff like this happens.

**Wheels** · April-03-12, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by 313hero

Can You or anyone show how State Takeovers "help"?

You need to get over the word help.
An EMF or a Consent Agreement or Bankruptcy, are not intended help in the context you are wishing for.
The intent will be to stop the bleeding. This may "help" but it is going to hurt some too. This is not going to fix anything. At best it will clear a path so Detroit can "help" there own future.
If it go's back to business as usual. oh well. You can't fix stupid.

**Wesley Mouch** · April-03-12, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by 313hero

Can You or anyone show how State Takeovers "help"?

Help means both the attempt [[help to saving a drowning woman) and the result [[with the Doctor's help, I recovered).

Sometimes the Doctor provides help, and the patient dies.

The attempt to help does not guarantee results.

Governor Snyder is certainly helping Detroit. Its an opinion whether his help is helpful or harmful. I vote for helpful.

**mwilbert** · April-03-12, 02:17 PM

I think it's time for the Governor to shut the door and take the phone off the hook. "You call us when you're ready," should be their mantra. If Detroiters think that a consent agreement is bad, then it's time they live a little bit in the world of hurt we call municipal bankruptcy.

I have to disagree with your implication here. I doubt the vast majority of Detroiters would notice any difference between a consent agreement and a bankruptcy.

**FlyingJ** · April-02-12, 02:14 PM

1%? Guy Fawkes? Trayvon? One step @ a time, Chief

**poobert** · April-03-12, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by FlyingJ

1%? Guy Fawkes? Trayvon? One step @ a time, Chief

Warning: Do not engage. It's all some variation on this.

**Scottathew** · April-03-12, 12:14 PM

Well, when you have parents and a school system that provide a <50% high school graduation rate, what's left to do but thug it out until someone puts a bullet in your ass or you go to prison.

Detroit needs parents and a school system with much higher graduation rates.

Detroit needs parents that won't allow their children to make babies at a rate that is amazingly higher than other cities.

Detroit needs police that show up when you call them.

The city has imploded itself and the most vocal residents only want more of the same failed leadership.

**corktownyuppie** · April-03-12, 01:10 PM

I think it's time for the Governor to shut the door and take the phone off the hook. "You call us when you're ready," should be their mantra. If Detroiters think that a consent agreement is bad, then it's time they live a little bit in the world of hurt we call municipal bankruptcy.

**gnome** · April-03-12, 09:14 PM

CTY, I want to thank you for keeping a level head and responding to these many threads with well-reasoned, informed and logical posts. I must admit to being frustrated on occasion, but you always keep your powder dry and give everyone an even shake.

**downtown_racine** · April-03-12, 09:23 PM

The youtube video is an interesting commentary.

**canuck** · April-04-12, 08:02 AM

Does anyone have an opinion on this guy's ideas?

That the earlier wave of southern blacks were somewhat more savvy and motivated and that the post war folks were conditioned to slavish attitudes and self destruction.

I understand the likelihood that 19th and early 20th century southern migrants would have had more temerity and business acumen, a better sense of community, but I cant imagine his theory is all that solid. He has a positive bias toward the Black Muslim ethic versus the evangelical christian ethic, it seems to be the cut-off point for him. Whaddayouseallthink?

**SWMAP** · April-04-12, 09:59 AM

"making Hitler and Mussolini comparisons:"

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**hortonz** · April-04-12, 10:56 AM

Detroit's problems have everything to do with oil politics. In the late 1960's, oil production in the continental United States peaked and quickly began to decline. By the time of the first Arab oil embargo in 1973, over one third of all oil used by the United States came from foreign nations, primarily Saudi Arabia. Why doesn't this fact come up in any discussions on Detroit's decline.

**canuck** · April-04-12, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by hortonz

Detroit's problems have everything to do with oil politics. In the late 1960's, oil production in the continental United States peaked and quickly began to decline. By the time of the first Arab oil embargo in 1973, over one third of all oil used by the United States came from foreign nations, primarily Saudi Arabia. Why doesn't this fact come up in any discussions on Detroit's decline.

Was that before or after Hitler's demise?

**hortonz** · April-04-12, 05:44 PM

Racial problems have plagued every major city in Canada and the United States to some degree. Deep racial and ethnic divisions didn't stop New York or Los Angeles from prospering. The difference between those cities and Detroit is that NY and LA have always had diversified economies that could withstand the fluctuating price of gasoline.

**canuck** · April-04-12, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by hortonz

Racial problems have plagued every major city in Canada and the United States to some degree. Deep racial and ethnic divisions didn't stop New York or Los Angeles from prospering. The difference between those cities and Detroit is that NY and LA have always had diversified economies that could withstand the fluctuating price of gasoline.

Los Angeles has deep racial divisions as you mention but a diversified economy that can help it overcome severe periods of economic downturns, like the defense industry attrition of the early nineties. But also, a number of judicious decisions about building better transit gave the city a new push forward, a new pride.

**Rolfsy** · April-05-12, 10:58 AM

'Ancient Occasic [[sp?) Memory'. This was where it went from an interesting rant with flimsy causality yet flashes of insight, and right into crazytown.

It would seem easier to explain 'slave mentality' passed down as a maladaptive meme rather than get into some Serpentor-style understanding of DNA.

**canuck** · April-05-12, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfsy

'Ancient Occasic [[sp?) Memory'. This was where it went from an interesting rant with flimsy causality yet flashes of insight, and right into crazytown.

It would seem easier to explain 'slave mentality' passed down as a maladaptive meme rather than get into some Serpentor-style understanding of DNA.

Assolutely.

I think his rant is the product of a lot of anger directed at the wrong target group. Trying to find one guilty party at all costs will just further exacerbate the ghettoization.

The business enterpreneurship or education in the black community is deficient for a lot of reasons, but not only due to a certain group of migrants in a given period.

**mwilbert** · April-04-12, 05:52 PM

Detroit's problems have everything to do with oil politics. In the late 1960's, oil production in the continental United States peaked and quickly began to decline. By the time of the first Arab oil embargo in 1973, over one third of all oil used by the United States came from foreign nations, primarily Saudi Arabia. Why doesn't this fact come up in any discussions on Detroit's decline.

Because Detroit's decline predates that, as industrial production moved out of the city and state.

Because foreign competition and outsourcing in auto production was almost certainly a bigger reason for the decline of auto industry employment than oil prices.

Because the massive increase in manufacturing productivity worldwide has caused manufacturing employment to drop everywhere.

No doubt Detroit would be a bit better off if oil prices had stayed lower or if the auto manufacturers had responded the the resulting demand for smaller cars more quickly, but I think it is hard to defend oil as a major cause of the decline.

GUSHI · April-05-12, 08:08 PM

Fix Detroit-have parents get involved in their kids lives,
natural slaves? Blame the white man for everything, our city wtf white on black racism would cause for the city to burn,
Black on white racism, no big Fu Ken deal,
The way people think is fuk Ed up,
-black on black crime no big deal, another brother killing a brother, is that the white mans fault,
-kids shooting kids, infants getting killed, the old getting killed, the good citizen moving out, who's left the old and the broke,
Detroit is fucked, you have to embrace the change, not fight it,