Wake up call number 2

[Detroitej72]

what is his motive? to destroy Israel...get real...

More likely he wants some muscle to flex to the U.S. and to show the world he backs down to nobody.

Still, I think America needs to put Iran in check, hopefully through talks rather than war.

[gibran]

D72...I was referencing cc's evil Obama reference..there is a lot of talk from the right that Obama is trying to down grade our relationship with Israel...I think cc' is reading too many right wing interpretations of Obama's speech and actions...there are those in Israel that have caricatured Obama in a head dress...calling him an Arab...[[as if thatis a bad thing)...
The Likudites are up in arms about Obama and it is showing up in the right wing coverage..BIBI etal is doing the old bait & switch routine...this time no ones biting...

The world needs to put Iran in check..but after talking to some Iranians here they are hoping that it happens from within...this could be the start of a interesting development...if some more people are shot...the streets will erupt ....remember the demographics in Iran more Young than old [[but as usual when presented with facts/reality-the war mongers, neocons and extremists in the right easily ignore the truth unless it is written by them)...we should not rush to war when their could be a real opportunity for a more moderate Iran to emerge..as their own people take charge...and isn't that what we all say is the best way to grow a Democracy?

[Detroitej72]

Very true about the young in Iran, hopefully they can help usher in a new day without the hardliner, right wing clerics.

The Persian people are a wise and ancient culture that was for many years the center of learning in the world, I hope they can return to this someday soon.[[just not at the expense of the U.S., maybe share it with us!)

[Lorax]

Why should Obama play ball with a fascist like Netanyahu? Israel is run by extremist right wingers right now, and they will either play by the rules leading up to a two-state solution, or there will be endless war.

[rb336]

A straw dog argument...we all know full well that this will be intepreted as a green light from Obama. Obama is not stupid, quite the opposite, he is brilliant and a master schemer....Evil, but brilliant.

how, exactly is that a straw dog argument?

what YOU have posted is another of your straw man fallacies


btw -- straw dogs are business proposals set up to be knocked down to pave the way for something else. A straw man is when someone misrepresents anothers position then procedes to take down the phony position. like a guy who says he is going to fight someone who creates a straw effigy of that person, then kicks the crap out of it. This, you will notice, is the preferred tactic of the right

[gibran]

McCain is lost touch and thank G-d he isnt in charge..He is calling out for tough talk for Iran..and anyone with an understanding of what is happening now would also understand how that would play into the right wing of Iran...how a great hero has fallen into petty politics...i seems that this is a party without an anchor...nor a chain.

[Lorax]

McCain is lost touch and thank G-d he isnt in charge..He is calling out for tough talk for Iran..and anyone with an understanding of what is happening now would also understand how that would play into the right wing of Iran...how a great hero has fallen into petty politics...i seems that this is a party without an anchor...nor a chain.

So true. However, I would take exception with McShame being a war hero. Anything but. He was another well-heeled party boy who was a lousy pilot, and just happened to survive in a tortuous situation and has a very strong will to live.

Actions make heroes, not merely surviving. Even he's admitted to that.

He's since endorsed torture, and has been wrong on all levels of governance. If he and his cleaning lady, Saracuda were in the White House, we'd have to declare "game over."

[ccbatson]

I am no big fan of McCain, but at least he would never be spending our, and our grandchildren's, money like Obama is.

[ghettopalmetto]

I am no big fan of McCain, but at least he would never be spending our, and our grandchildren's, money like Obama is.

Which means we'd be spinning further into recession and depression. But at least we'd have a balanced budget, right?

God, that Obama guy just sucks ass, doesn't he?

[ccbatson]

Economics 101...you can't spend your way out of a recession, THAT will [[and is) make it worse.

[ghettopalmetto]

Economics 101...you can't spend your way out of a recession, THAT will [[and is) make it worse.

First of all genius, Econ 101 is microeconomics. This is a macroeconomics issue.

Second. Explain how the United States emerged from the Great Depression without any government spending whatsoever.

[rb336]

Economics 101...you can't spend your way out of a recession, THAT will [[and is) make it worse.

actually, your hero/god ronnie spent BIG time to get out of his recession. you evidently failed macro

[ccbatson]

Tax cuts...IOW taking less of others money away from them, contrary to what liberals believe IS NOT SPENDING.

[ghettopalmetto]

Tax cuts...IOW taking less of others money away from them, contrary to what liberals believe IS NOT SPENDING.

When it causes you to run a deficit, it is.

[Detroitej72]

Tax cuts...IOW taking less of others money away from them, contrary to what liberals believe IS NOT SPENDING.

I guess you forgot about the huge defficite he left for G.H.W. Bush that Clinton had to trim down.

[gibran]

the only thing a trickle down policy succeeded in was getting the poor people wet heads

[ccbatson]

I will admit that even Reagan could have cut spending [[on socialist entitlements) more aggressively. Somehow however, I don't think that this is what you are referring to.

[rb336]

the only thing a trickle down policy succeeded in was getting the poor people wet heads

yeah, and the trickle down was a urine stream

[rb336]

Tax cuts...IOW taking less of others money away from them, contrary to what liberals believe IS NOT SPENDING.

Tax cuts for the wealthy result in job loss for the middle class EVERY time it has happened. 1 1/2 years after reagan -- major job losses. after JFKs -- major job losses. after dubyas? major job losses

[Flanders]

I will admit that even Reagan could have cut spending [[on socialist entitlements) more aggressively. Somehow however, I don't think that this is what you are referring to.

More aggressively??

Eliminating socialist entitlements entirely is really what you have in mind.

Of course the trillions that have been borrowed and spent [[including our tax dollars) on dozens of nations worldwide, post-WWII, including those who were or could become our military adversaries, on their welfare and infrastructure is not a socialist practice, since objectivists like you will contend that it was done to "protect and defend our freedom" with much of that so-called freedom being the result of "free" but not fair, trade with communist and repressive nations, and that they were "entitled" to it as a result.

[ccbatson]

Rb...how do you, and liberals turn unemployment percentages upside down and expect anyone to believe you? 9.4% and climbing is creating or saving jobs?

[gibran]

what one person can turn around an eight year down turn, with two war budgets in six months...you really have to ask yourself ...what would Palin/McCain be doing now?...ummm besides singing "bomb bomb bomb Iran [[getting us into a conflict that might resolve itself within their own borders), and opening up wide spread hunting for polar bears from the air...

[gibran]

Rb...how do you, and liberals turn unemployment percentages upside down and expect anyone to believe you? 9.4% and climbing is creating or saving jobs?

these numbers where heading south last year...can we not see that the car companies where declining after the banking and other factors started going south. CC and company [[isn't that a sixties band?) would love us to believe that this happened in the last six months....this magical thinking of our economy crashing in January is what the republicans would like you to believe,,,kinda like Words of Mass Deceptions!

[rb336]

Rb...how do you, and liberals turn unemployment percentages upside down and expect anyone to believe you? 9.4% and climbing is creating or saving jobs?

of course that has nothing to do with my comment, merely a deflection because you know i'm right. of course, your coment is also utterly absurd. go back to when I first started posting on Dyes, and you will see that I pointed out these economic waters towards which we were steaming years ago, and I was dead on in my predictions

[ccbatson]

Unemployment has nothing to do with your comment about job losses? Unemployment...job losses...seems like related subjects to me.