Tower Defense/ Aerospace Factory Workers Party at Lunch

[Buy American]

You're not wrong Buy American; you're spot on; it is the business of all of us. The Rob Wolchek Report was aired again at 7.20am Sunday Morning with a Post Script that 17 of the offenders had been suspended pending dismissal. If the Management did in fact know about the problem and allowed it to continue then there must be suspensions in their ranks before the episode is completely closed out.

When this story first appeared, the company's response was that "an internal investigation has been under way for over a year and that the matter was being addressed"....so they let an entire year go by without doing a thing. Also, the company said that they "inherited" these particular workers from the old company when they purchased it. Excuses, excuses, excuses!
I'm glad to see that they will all be suspended and, being a staunch union person, I would hope that the union doesn't waste any time or money trying to get these losers their jobs back. Unions are supposed to watch over employees and make sure they have decent wages, a safe workplace; reasonable hours, workrules, proper complaint procedures and hiring and firing practices....not to protect drunken or high workers...these guys need to go.

[antongast]

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought this company had a government contract to do the work. That means it is my business and it should be the business of every American taxpayer. Also, as someone else wrote on this thread, if these losers go back into the facility after drinking and smoking whatever they smoke and are stoned out of their minds and perform shoddy work and one of our American soldiers die as a direct result of it, that's our business as well. The company knew about this problem and chose not to do anything about it until the reporter exposed it....kudos to Rob Wolchek and kudos to any reporter no matter what station he/she works for if they expose this type of behavior.

Oh, give me a break. If these guys were white Detroit firefighters, you'd come up with about five hundred thousand possible mitigating circumstances and lines of defense, and nobody on here could ever get away with calling them "losers" in your presence.

[Gannon]

I love the fact that more noise was made by FauxSnooze on this than the absolute truth that the Pentagon, under Donald Rumsfeld and George W. Bush's mismanagement and abuse, sent many thousands of our youngsters to battle using Humvees that weren't even armored. So I'd tell that mom so upset that these workers were choosing to temper their assembly line boredom with cannabis and beer [[two of mankind's OLDEST and most-reliable mild psyche-adjusters) to go jump into the river. If there was any failure of vehicles in the field, it would be MUCH more likely due poor engineering exacerbated by cuts due to bean counter carving pennies from the bottom line so the owner could buy a bigger yacht. My comment from earlier still stands...assembly line work is brutally boring and turns people into mechanized beings who CAN perform their limited repeating tasks under the mild influence of a few beers or hits on a joint. None of that makes them impaired enough to be dangerous to themselves, or the holier-than-thous who have never done the substances abundantly provided by Mother Nature to make Her world a wee bit more interesting. I'm bummed Ravine's plea to 'lighten up' was edited from this thread...it was timely and poignant. Plus I had a follow-up joke that cannot work now. Cheers, anyways, John

[Gannon]

OMG, I've spent ten minutes trying to format that damn post. Imagine it divided into paragraphs, please, because that is how I sent it. I don't have time to repost everything five times.

[Buy American]

Oh, give me a break. If these guys were white Detroit firefighters, you'd come up with about five hundred thousand possible mitigating circumstances and lines of defense, and nobody on here could ever get away with calling them "losers" in your presence.

Give you a break??? Maybe you've had your share being let off the hook for some job infraction and have some sympathy for these slackers.

White, black, red or yellow...firefighters, police, bus drivers...it doesn't make a difference with me. when you're wrong you're wrong, plain and simple. I've seen this type of behavior many times in many fields and I have always felt the same.

[Scottathew]

OMG, I've spent ten minutes trying to format that damn post. Imagine it divided into paragraphs, please, because that is how I sent it. I don't have time to repost everything five times.

LOL, I hate it when that kind of thing happens, although it has never happened to me here. What browser are you using? I use Google Chrome.


But to your post, I don't agree with it as a rationale to let these workers drink and do drugs on their lunch.

You and I probably agree on a lot of things about the Bush presidency. The Iraq war was flat out wrong. It was an ill conceived war that had our resources spread so thin that we sent our kids out there in unarmored hummers up against car bombs, IEDs, roadside mines, etc... All for the benefit of nothing; the Iraq war has made us less secure, and created a terrorist breeding in Iraq.

However, bringing up the wrongs of another person doesn't make other things right. Just because it was wrong to send our troops in unarmored hummers doesn't make it right for these lazy jerk-offs to be under the influence while making parts on government contract. It may result in defective products, but probably more likely is that they could hurt one of the co-workers due to being under the influence of whatever while operating the equipment they use.

I'm for the decriminalization of marijuana, however, if it were legal to smoke weed, it still wouldn't change the fact that when you're at work you shouldn't be under the influence of anything.

I work in an office, and when we moved downtown rumors started popping up that folks were having a beer or two while out at lunch. My workplace, although we don't even operate machinery like at this place, issued a very real and stern warning that consuming alcohol at lunch time was not acceptable and would result in consequences up to and including termination.

The leadership at work will be some of the first people lined up at the bar with you after work, but it's just simply not acceptable or responsible to be under the influence while working. Not even the sins of the Bush administration can change that.

[Gannon]

I only mentioned that to counter the abject idiocy of attempting to introduce the uber-patriotic righteous-wing Mother's Against Drunk Laborers argument...to show how misguided that truly is, compared to what you DIDN'T hear at the beginning of this illegal and unethical war action.

I do not believe it to be a partisan thing, either, because our current Yahoo-in-Chief has continued these child-killing actions and increased them.


And two hits off a joint or one beer at lunch should be encouraged for everyone...not means for dismissal. If they go beyond that and get stoned or drunk, then I have an issue too. Moderation in all things...


Cheers!

[Gannon]

I'm using Firefox, btw. This formatting issue happens periodically, I think Murphy is involved...since it only happens when I've got little time but really want to say a thing. LOL...

[Ravine]

I have stated, and repeated, that it's the company's responsibility to turn out good product, and that workers laying off booze & weed when on break does not guarantee good, quality product leaving the building.
They should be making sure of it. If it's a guy who chugs a pint of Mohawk, or a guy simply too stupid and/or apathetic to care, they should weed out incompetence.
This shit happens all over. I don't need Wolchek's style of reporting to make me aware of it.
It's a problem, but as I am in no position to address it or solve it, it is not my problem.
No coldness toward War Widows or heartbroken family members is felt or intended.
And, I would much rather have those parts assembled by a buzzed guy who really cares than by a sober guy who doesn't fucking give a shit and is only in it for the paycheck.
The company should be checking the quality of the stuff they sell, and the military should be checking the quality of the stuff they buy.

[Zacha341]

The reason it was 'allowed' to go on is because the fix is in! This company will probably close down with the changes going on with the gulf war etc. The careless jerks working there will be touted across the nation as another reason why the rust belt sucks and why the 'neighborhood' peeps deserve exactly what they get etc.

I am not excusing their actions at all, NOT ONE BIT, but the blatant behavior and Fox 2 'style' in reporting it reveals the fuller content and context. Even more reason why the stupid employees should have known this was being allowed for a greater purpose than their convenient mid-day 'buzz'.

Everything has a price!

Willing pawns these workers are/ were - way to go! Job really well DONE!

When this story first appeared, the company's response was that "an internal investigation has been under way for over a year and that the matter was being addressed"....so they let an entire year go by without doing a thing. Also, the company said that they "inherited" these particular workers from the old company when they purchased it. Excuses, excuses, excuses!
I'm glad to see that they will all be suspended and, being a staunch union person, I would hope that the union doesn't waste any time or money trying to get these losers their jobs back. Unions are supposed to watch over employees and make sure they have decent wages, a safe workplace; reasonable hours, workrules, proper complaint procedures and hiring and firing practices....not to protect drunken or high workers...these guys need to go.

[Zacha341]

Yep, it happens all over... from the top down, from the bottom up, and that IS why, in part why we are in the fix we are as a nation.

...This shit happens all over. I don't need Wolchek's style of reporting to make me aware of it.
It's a problem, but as I am in no position to address it or solve it, it is not my problem.
No coldness toward War Widows or heartbroken family members is felt or intended.
And, I would much rather have those parts assembled by a buzzed guy who really cares than by a sober guy who doesn't fucking give a shit and is only in it for the paycheck.
The company should be checking the quality of the stuff they sell, and the military should be checking the quality of the stuff they buy.

[Zacha341]

Ah yes! Better to have our government moderate and quantify just how much buzz is allowed on de' job.

I see another bureau in the offing.... er' um the: 'US DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYEE BUZZ AND PUFF ALLOTMENTS [[US-EBPA). ROTFL!

I wonder if they will screen their perspective staff and research divisions.

And two hits off a joint or one beer at lunch should be encouraged for everyone...not means for dismissal. If they go beyond that and get stoned or drunk, then I have an issue too. Moderation in all things...


Cheers!

[Zacha341]

I heard that.... Yeah I was not feeling Fox 2 style of reporting this.

It's easy to miss the bigger picture because they reported it. The so-called rank and file peeps always reap strong repercussions when caught doing stuff that can be readily judged as not productive.

Regardless of ones view on drugs and the lifestyle of repetitive, rote kinds of employment.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THE 'RECREATION' IS DONE WITHOUT ANY EFFORT OF CONCEALMENT!

The big-wigs keep their junk deeper in the trunk, hidden!

That's why you've go to watch what you do when you know there's a 'double standard'...

I love the fact that more noise was made by FauxSnooze on this than the absolute truth that the Pentagon, under Donald Rumsfeld and George W. Bush's mismanagement and abuse, sent many thousands of our youngsters to battle using Humvees that weren't even armored. So I'd tell that mom so upset that these workers were choosing to temper their assembly line boredom with cannabis and beer [[two of mankind's OLDEST and most-reliable mild psyche-adjusters) to go jump into the river. If there was any failure of vehicles in the field, it would be MUCH more likely due poor engineering exacerbated by cuts due to bean counter carving pennies from the bottom line so the owner could buy a bigger yacht. My comment from earlier still stands...assembly line work is brutally boring and turns people into mechanized beings who CAN perform their limited repeating tasks under the mild influence of a few beers or hits on a joint. None of that makes them impaired enough to be dangerous to themselves, or the holier-than-thous who have never done the substances abundantly provided by Mother Nature to make Her world a wee bit more interesting...

[MizMotown]

I don't condone being drunk/high on the job and definitely not being on the "down-low."

But man, if Fox really wants to be fair, I do wish they'd get some juicy footage of some upper management snorting coke, between sips from their Appletini's, off their 18 year old office intern tits though.

[Richard]

Yea, if it's gonna be done definitely something you want to be done on the "down-low." That was pretty stupid.

Man, I do wish they'd get some juicy footage of some upper management snorting coke, between sips from their appletini's, off their 18 year old mistresses tits though.

They would not be able to show that prime time , of course they could always upload it to youtube and forward the links to us.

[MizMotown]

They would not be able to show that prime time , of course they could always upload it to youtube and forward the links to us.

True... although they come pretty darn close those frisky Fox folks...
http://foxnewsporn.com/

[SteveJ]

I don't condone being drunk/high on the job and definitely not being on the "down-low."

But man, if Fox really wants to be fair, I do wish they'd get some juicy footage of some upper management snorting coke, between sips from their Appletini's, off their 18 year old office intern tits though.

Actually it may have been 5 years or so Fox 2 did do some expose on some high ranking government officials with strippers at a golf course. The problem is that those guys are smart and do it behind closed doors.