Kwame's New [[And Larger) Texas Home

[313hero]

Woodwards Cousin- If KK ran today he would win. Thats why they made it against the LAW for HIM to run again for 20 years. Remember the Kwame law they just put on the books? I'm also pretty sure he wouldnt if he could anyway. I know I wouldnt. After all the crap this city put him through. Some of it was his fault, but the constant overkill and lynching isnt. Yall talked about that bullshit party for damn near 10 years as if it were a fact and these dummies bought into it. Shows how powerfull the media is. if it wasnt for the party RUMOR non of the crap that happened to KK would have happened. and we wouldnt have a fake as carpet Bagging replubican, failed businessman who doesnt have a clue nor cares about this city and its indigenous citizens.

[Detroitnerd]

Earn that money, sock puppet...

[313hero]

Hey, 313hero is back !
4. Only a very small % of Detroit residents would ever vote for KMK for mayor again. I agree that generalizing Detroiters' opinions from those expressed by 313hero and others is wrong, angry and racist stereotyping.

And yall crying and going super hard on KK is what??? Imma racist cause I feel that following KK all over the country, showing him shopping in the grocery store on the news is Lynching, I'm racist and Angry cause I feel that Ignoring Extortion is wrong. I'm racist and agry cause the "party" made all of the media rich when there was no proof of nothing EVER happening? I'm Racist cause the Media put my address, full name, and showed my house on the news and I think thats wrong, I'm racist cause MOST of the people I talk to [[Actuall DETROIT RESIDENTS) feel the same way I do? I'm Racist cause WHITE PEOPLE been beating this drum and getting rich. I'm Racist cause I have read Blogs calling KK the Gorilla in the Mist etc, etc,etc,. I'm Racist cause Karen Plants, Judge Waterstone and those Inkster Cops ALL commited PERJURY and yall not going crazy over them. I get it I'm the one thats racist. SMH

[BasementBeat]

Whew, should be entertaining here where the federal trial starts...

[stromberg2]

Bernard, is that you?

Stromberg2

[313hero]

So yall just Ignore everything I said huh??? Great Forum Smh. No I'm not Bernard and No I'm not getting paid. I'm a REAL DETROITER WHO LIVES IN DETROIT. In one of its BEST neighborhoods.

[Gannon]

The funny thing I see about yall is yall STILL to this day and after my post acknowledge that Gary Brown and Stefani EXTORTED that Money. SMH Hatred is a mutha

You think ignoring that accusation is based from hatred? Wow. More like logic.

Wasn't Brown one of the guys Kwhyme illegally fired because they dared investigate the mayor and his buddies?! Ruined a long career with the police department?


Sounds more like evening the scales, if anything. They knew there was damning evidence in those text messages, which were property of the citizens of the city as much as any communication created by elected officials on devices paid for by city monies. What are you crying about again?!


Cheers!

[313hero]

You think ignoring that accusation is based from hatred? Wow. More like logic.

Wasn't Brown one of the guys Kwhyme illegally fired because they dared investigate the mayor and his buddies?! Ruined a long career with the police department?

GB was NEVER fired from the POLICE DEPT. He RETIRED. He was Unappointed from the position KK Appointed him to. and when you accept an appointment you are an at will employee.
So my "accusations" mean nothing. It means nothing that schemed and used text messages to extort Millions of dollars from this city is "more like evening the scales"??? They violated a judges order, Lied about it. gave the messages to the media then made a deal for 2.4mill more dollars to not tell anyone and thats not extortion??? You right they was public. so why didnt the FOIA request them???Hmmmmm. and just let them out??? Oh I forgot they NEEDED DETROITS TAX PAYER MONEY FIRST. and as far as a ruined career thats bullshit. they all recieved their pension, insurance and all other benefits, and Got Millions on top of it. if you go to Herols Nelthrops FB page it says he's retired from DPD. Gary Brown is making 80k on council, recieving his pension, insured, and got 3million dollars. Yeah his lfe was ruined SMH

[Thames]

^^Kwame got beat at his own game.That's all. Ha!^^

[compn]

dont blame me, i thought gil hill wouldve made a better mayor... is bing going to lose it to state control? no more city council?

[Zacha341]

Hey, I know the white supremacist sites use KK as their poster boy for everything negative they already believe and promote. Got that-get that! But that is not the case with every comment/ poster here.

Nearly my whole family backed Kilpatrick's first run as mayor. Some of us volunteered at the campaign centers. We where more than enthusiastic that he would do great things for the city, and its citizens but he got caught up and corrupt fast and I for one broke with support his second run and DID NOT VOTE for him again!

Bottom line: There are black people [[I'm one of them) who will never vote for him again, and WE refuse to give him a pass. We recognize portions of the media and others who have have agendas and torches lit extra high flame!!

BUT WITHSTANDING THE MEDIAS TACTICS [[which can be argued and debated) KKs OWNS his downfall and participation in base corruption that some expected of him. Based on his choices and use of city resources and obstruction of justice to DO WHAT HE WANTED TO DO! He delivered on what some "expected" of him indeed!

It's not that complicated. I knew after the second term this was a 'pattern', and I pulled my support.

Is he the only one corrupt in this city and region? No. Got that too! Did his corruption have an great impact on those who he specifically claimed [[and was elected) to serve? YES, doubly and IRONICALLY so - especially those who continue to relay his cause.

And yall crying and going super hard on KK is what??? Imma racist cause I feel that following KK all over the country, showing him shopping in the grocery store on the news is Lynching, I'm racist and Angry cause I feel that Ignoring Extortion is wrong. I'm racist and agry cause the "party" made all of the media rich when there was no proof of nothing EVER happening? I'm Racist cause the Media put my address, full name, and showed my house on the news and I think thats wrong, I'm racist cause MOST of the people I talk to [[Actuall DETROIT RESIDENTS) feel the same way I do? I'm Racist cause WHITE PEOPLE been beating this drum and getting rich. I'm Racist cause I have read Blogs calling KK the Gorilla in the Mist etc, etc,etc,. I'm Racist cause Karen Plants, Judge Waterstone and those Inkster Cops ALL commited PERJURY and yall not going crazy over them. I get it I'm the one thats racist. SMH

[Ravine]

GB was NEVER fired from the POLICE DEPT. He RETIRED. He was Unappointed from the position KK Appointed him to. and when you accept an appointment you are an at will employee.
So my "accusations" mean nothing. It means nothing that schemed and used text messages to extort Millions of dollars from this city is "more like evening the scales"??? They violated a judges order, Lied about it. gave the messages to the media then made a deal for 2.4mill more dollars to not tell anyone and thats not extortion??? You right they was public. so why didnt the FOIA request them???Hmmmmm. and just let them out??? Oh I forgot they NEEDED DETROITS TAX PAYER MONEY FIRST. and as far as a ruined career thats bullshit. they all recieved their pension, insurance and all other benefits, and Got Millions on top of it. if you go to Herols Nelthrops FB page it says he's retired from DPD. Gary Brown is making 80k on council, recieving his pension, insured, and got 3million dollars. Yeah his lfe was ruined SMH

C'mere, jackass, I'll S your H.
I am going to presume that you meant, and failed, to write "Harold Nelthrope," and point out, for you, the DetroitYes! readers-at-large, and the general public record that the statement which I highlighted in red is false.
You have two traits that are self-endangering, particularly when demonstrated simultaneously: carelessness and a big mouth.

[313hero]

Ravine- got to Harold Nelthrope's FB page it says that. Its not "False" I just saw it. WTF. go to FB and look him up and see for yourself b4 you try to check me about whats "false" Asshole.

Zacha- Never said KK didnt do any wrong. He did ALOT of wrong. He cheated on his wife, He lied about it, and we dont know whats going to come out of the fed case. but to give GB, Stefani etc. a pass is just plain wrong. The Party LIE and the constant reporting on that LIE was and still is WRONG. If you had an employee YOU hired running around gossiping about you abd investigating things that 1. was never assigned to them 2. you KNOW didnt happen 3. that wasnt ILLEGAL you would fire they ass too. the ONLY reason they won that lawsuit was because everybody believed in the "Party" more than they believed in God. They Now have Millions of OUR money off of a LIE and EXTORTION

[SWMAP]

You keep reducing KK's flagrant misuse of his office down to "he did a lot wrong - he cheated on his wife." That is no one's worry here or in the courts. KK stole, lied and created a culture of theft in City hall and among his friends and family that he appointed everywhere. He screwed over people who didn't go his way and too bad it was Gary Brown that he screwed over. I don't like Gary Brown - but more power to him. He won his lawsuit. As Brown said in court: I was not merely "unappointed and able to take a lower rank. They took my weapon, my badge and my keys and escorted me out.That's fired."

[Ravine]

Ravine- got to Harold Nelthrope's FB page it says that. Its not "False" I just saw it. WTF. go to FB and look him up and see for yourself b4 you try to check me about whats "false" Asshole.

Zacha- Never said KK didnt do any wrong. He did ALOT of wrong. He cheated on his wife, He lied about it, and we dont know whats going to come out of the fed case. but to give GB, Stefani etc. a pass is just plain wrong. The Party LIE and the constant reporting on that LIE was and still is WRONG. If you had an employee YOU hired running around gossiping about you abd investigating things that 1. was never assigned to them 2. you KNOW didnt happen 3. that wasnt ILLEGAL you would fire they ass too. the ONLY reason they won that lawsuit was because everybody believed in the "Party" more than they believed in God. They Now have Millions of OUR money off of a LIE and EXTORTION

I've already been to the page, whiz-kid.
Apparently, you are a member of that "other FB," just as you use those "other" spellings.
You are in over your head, but a little bit of the point is showing just above water-level.

[313hero]

. KK stole, lied and created a culture of theft in City hall and among his friends and family that he appointed everywhere. He screwed over people who didn't go his way and too bad it was Gary Brown that he screwed over. I don't like Gary Brown - but more power to him. He won his lawsuit. As Brown said in court: I was not merely "unappointed and able to take a lower rank. They took my weapon, my badge and my keys and escorted me out.That's fired."

What Exactly did KK STEAL??? out of all the charges against him non are for embezzelment. If he stole everything everybody says he did why didnt the feds charge him w/ it??? or is that just some propaganda??? The city Charter [[Old and New) States Clearly that any appointee can be unappointed w/o cause. GB was Unappointed or in yalls terms FIRED from his appointed position. FACT: the Mayor of the city of Detroit cant FIRE police officer, nir can the Mayor FIRE anyone who's a civil servant or not an Appointee. Why do you think Bing was able to FIRE Warren Evans and not able to fire the chick he was messing w/ and gave promotions to. GB is recieving his pension and ALL other retirement benefits. Because he retired and they actually allowed him to retire as a deputy Cheif, when he wasnt. Its funny how yall for some strange reason continue to avoid the Extortion claims and the FACT that the party was some bullshit. which is what started it all, and the fact that GB was investigating things that were not illegal nor was on the books. His Firing was actually justified in my opinion. Yeah yall can say he spent too much on the city's credit card cool I have no problem w/ that. But what I do have a problem w/ is they always forget to mention Dennis Archer actually spent more on it than KK in less time. The Navigator was some bull true indeed. But they always fail to mention that after they got rid of the Navigator the city had to get a 40k Tahoe. Just like the one Bing is driving. Its also funny how people talk about KK riding around in an Escalade but never mention that it was donated from GM. I'll never say KK was perfect or didnt do some bad things cause he did. But I will tell you this he did waaaay more positive things then negative when it came down to his actuall JOB. Look @ Detroit today and tell me its better than it was when he was in office and I'll know that you are retarded for real and will just leave it alone due to your disability cause then I cant really blame you

[bopcity]

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Jeezus, ever hear of line breaks? Do everyone, including yourself, a favor and investigate.

As for your post, it's a waste of time dismantling your tirade point by point. It's no secret to anyone paying attention that KK's a crook and long has been dating back, at the very least, to his time in the legislature. The feds have amply detailed what's likely but the tip of a very large criminal iceberg so there's no need for anyone to go tit for tat with you here.

Many of his associates have already plead guilty, and a number of whom have agreed to testify against him. Would they have done that without reason?

And how in the hell's he paying his bills?

Believe what you want but reality's a motherf%cker.

[bartock]

Ravine- got to Harold Nelthrope's FB page it says that. Its not "False" I just saw it. WTF. go to FB and look him up and see for yourself b4 you try to check me about whats "false" Asshole.

Zacha- Never said KK didnt do any wrong. He did ALOT of wrong. He cheated on his wife, He lied about it, and we dont know whats going to come out of the fed case. but to give GB, Stefani etc. a pass is just plain wrong. The Party LIE and the constant reporting on that LIE was and still is WRONG. If you had an employee YOU hired running around gossiping about you abd investigating things that 1. was never assigned to them 2. you KNOW didnt happen 3. that wasnt ILLEGAL you would fire they ass too. the ONLY reason they won that lawsuit was because everybody believed in the "Party" more than they believed in God. They Now have Millions of OUR money off of a LIE and EXTORTION

You keep saying Kwame has not been accused of stealing. Tax evasion and fraud are stealing.

You've done this before without blatantly saying it. Cut the bullshit and get to the point. Your argument is thus:


"Race, race, racial, racists, race, racial, race, racists race racially, racial raced racists racial race, race, race, race, race, race, race,

Race race race. Kwame Kilpatrick blah blah blah. Race race.

Racial."


Great argument....

[Ravine]

Bartock, I think you've got it pretty well covered, there, but you are wasting your time, although I figure that you know that.
Our fuming spigot of nonsense appears to believe that the feds are finished with Kilpatrick and that KK will not be charged with, or prosecuted for, anything else. Never mind the fact that a solid RICO case takes a long time to brick together; if they ain't said he done did it, then he musta not done it, right?
Also, it seems that my little dispute over the FB page has been conveniently side-stumbled.
Quoting Firesign Theater:
"He's no fun, he fell right over."

[313hero]

Bartock- LMAO. You obviously missed when I said GB, Stefani and Harold Nelthrope EXTORTED/BLACKMAILED millions of dollars from this city. You also missed the point that the whole "party" bullshit is what started everything. That LIE is what got them Millions in the first place but that wasnt enough they wanted another 2mill and so they Blackmailed the city for 2.4 mill more and the insurance the city wouldnt appeal the verdict. Now ALL of the media coverage/stalking and the CONSTANT harrasement of that man is some racist bull. they not following around Ficano, showing his house address etc. A cop Killed a little girl [[Aiyanna Jones) and LIED about what happened and it was never called a scandal. they didnt follow him around, they didnt beg for him to quit. it took over a year for charges to come all while he was still working and getting paid. they didnt follow Karen Plants around nor judge Waterstone. who lied on the stand and conspired together w/ two inkster cops to lie on the stand. We dont know where they live etc, etc. Not to mention that they let her [[Karen Plants)out of jail for most of the day so she can "work" and yall not making a big fuss over that. But I'm Racist huh. Just stating the obvious take it how you want, or am I just supposed to be a good boy and understand its not racism its just the way it is.

[313hero]

Is Ficano going to be charged w/ the RICO act, cause it seems like the same things that whent on in the KK admin is happening w/ Ficanos admin

[bopcity]

Is Ficano going to be charged w/ the RICO act, cause it seems like the same things that whent on in the KK admin is happening w/ Ficanos admin

The update posted in the Is Bob Ficano Corrupt? thread indicates the feds have three people in their sights: Turkia Mullin, Azzam Elder and former IT director Tahir Kazm.

If they also snag Ficano, few will spend any time crying wolf.

There's a clue there...

[bartock]

Bartock- LMAO. You obviously missed when I said GB, Stefani and Harold Nelthrope EXTORTED/BLACKMAILED millions of dollars from this city. You also missed the point that the whole "party" bullshit is what started everything. That LIE is what got them Millions in the first place but that wasnt enough they wanted another 2mill and so they Blackmailed the city for 2.4 mill more and the insurance the city wouldnt appeal the verdict. Now ALL of the media coverage/stalking and the CONSTANT harrasement of that man is some racist bull. they not following around Ficano, showing his house address etc. A cop Killed a little girl [[Aiyanna Jones) and LIED about what happened and it was never called a scandal. they didnt follow him around, they didnt beg for him to quit. it took over a year for charges to come all while he was still working and getting paid. they didnt follow Karen Plants around nor judge Waterstone. who lied on the stand and conspired together w/ two inkster cops to lie on the stand. We dont know where they live etc, etc. Not to mention that they let her [[Karen Plants)out of jail for most of the day so she can "work" and yall not making a big fuss over that. But I'm Racist huh. Just stating the obvious take it how you want, or am I just supposed to be a good boy and understand its not racism its just the way it is.

I should be taking Ravine's advice here, but just to address a couple of things...

You are taking grey areas and talking about things in black and white. No pun intended. But it seems that you seeing race in EVERYTHING, which, I respectfully suggest, means that you are probably the one with the problem.

Lots of folks, including myself, were pissed about the Jones thing also. I believe that cop has been charged. It isn't over yet.

Why isn't the media all over Ficano, are you serious? This Ficano business is splashed all over the news. And Kwame has a HUGE head start - since back in in the early 2000s. If the Ficano thing goes the way Kwame's did, he won't be charged for another 8 years. Hang in there, the media coverage has 8 years to catch up.

There is no "media lynching." Kwame's relationship with the media is a completely symbiotic one. He knew [[and knows) that he was saying [[and still saying) outrageous things and basically flipping off anyone questioning his comings and goings, and the media [[and us, the buying public) lapped it up. The media was his best friend in getting re-elected, as he flipped the media frenzy that he created into some quasi-racial victim argument that won him votes [[them rich white businessmen didn't hurt, either). And yes, the media benefitted because Kwame is good copy. He's narcissistic, LOVES the attention, and basically has embraced his "criminal" image and become a characature of himself. He pretends to the hate thing he cherishes most...the attention.

[313hero]

So the news having a hidden camera following KK through a fucking grocery store in Texas is warranted??? Did the Media Follow Officer Wheatly around after he KILLED Aiyanna Jones??? Oh thats right he didnt ask for it. Kwame did ask the media to follow him around and stalk him ad his children. Yeah he moved to the other side of the country just so the media will have a new story and keep him on. Yeah he loves everywhere he goes getting mobbed buy reporters. He only makes statements so the media can run w/ them and keep him relevant. LMAO you silly. What has he said or done thats "Outrages" that keeps him i th news??? I know what keeps him in the news. The Amount of MONEY the news makes off of anything they can put on television or in the paper w/ his name attached. Thats Why. KK sells in this area. And his downfall came about for the most part over a RUMORED PARTY THAT NEVER HAPPENED. Everybody got rich off that crap. Now the city is being taken over and Detroiters will loose all rights givin in a Democracy. We already dont have a say in who, what, and how we educate our children, and now we have a Mayor thats counting on our city to fail just so he can have all power w/ no checks and balances. We now have a Mayor who actually OWES the city MORE than our Former Mayor. Remember Bing is the one who got Millions from the Detroit Pension Fund for that Riverfront development that he NEVER broke ground on. Thats more newsworthy to DETROIT than where KK is living. It took 1.5 years to charge officer Wheatly for murdering Aiyanna when it was on TAPE. it took 2 weeks to get KK in court about his book after he anounced he was coming out w/ one. Seems like somebodys priorities are messed up.

[lilpup]

On a related note: Bobby Ferguson's office got raided again today.

http://www.freep.com/article/20111116/NEWS01/111116027/FBI-agents-raid-Bobby-Ferguson-s-office

http://detnews.com/article/20111116/...Bobby-Ferguson