Unhelpful comment by Oakland deputy exec

[thecarl]

the malfeasance of detroit's leadership and the institutional rape of detroit's citizenry hidden under the veil of racism by elected officials and businessmen is by magnitude far worse than anything lbp has done.

[thecarl]

...I know, carl, that you can't help yourself...I know you'd love to believe Detroit and Michigan are all in this alone, but, alas, the facts don't bare that out. How sad and unfortunate, huh?

republic, are you here for intelligent discussion? not everybody is, but i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. people can disagree and exchange ideas. i like to be enlightened. but your absurd extrapolation of my statements is really meaningless.

[thecarl]

Quote: "the rest of the country is not "catching up to us." while other areas of the country are seeing the slide begin to taper...the bad news keeps rolling for michigan. for every auto job lost, there are at least six associated jobs that will disappear...from auto suppliers to hair dressers to bartenders. and think about the people and firms in michigan"

You're obviously unaware that the big 3 have a Global supplier network. Just about every town in this country and many in other cities around the world hosts businesses that vend to the big 3 or to another company that does. Many in the US are hanging in limbo right now, no or little work, the bank eyeballing them hard to cut their line. If this isn't resolved and quick and some PO's released, it is going to be a major collapse. To think this is just a Detroit problem is a classic example of Naivety.

Quote: "other states are poised for recovery,"

Oh Yeah? With what? We don't make anything but cars here anymore. And that is almost gone. One has to hunt hard to find US made goods. These companies dumping Chinese goods on our dying markets are not sustainable businesses.

stash, why are you so reckless with your remarks? the global supply chain really came into its prime in the eighties, and i'm well aware of it's presence - in fact, it's the underpinning of some twenty-four years experience i have in the auto industry. your suggestion that i'm "obviously unaware" of global suppliers is a feeble and dishonest attempt to widen a target that you missed. and i never said this is "just a detroit problem" - that's another "fact" you manufactured against which to shadow-box.

now, keep in mind, there has been a large and growing manufacturing base in the south. these plants produce automobiles and auto parts. these plants also tend to be non-union, and are obviously preferred by management. it's been big competition for michigan and the midwest, and our state has not adequately responded. look at where the majority of gm's jobs are being eliminated: michigan. stash, i'm not making this stuff up, nor do i gloat over it. i live here, and have friends and family here, and it's very troubling.

as to your last "oh yeah" point, i'm not sure to what it refers - but michigan was made great by its surrounding water and abundance of natural materials, and that's still here. michigan will bounce back, but it will be a long time before that happens. we are still on the way down - and so, i take issue with your original statement, that moving elsewhere is basically futile, since the rest of the country is just like michigan, or detroit [[paraphrasing!) but, the tech sector, banking [[shaky as it is), the insurance industry, mining, tourism, and management-friendly manufacturing will help other states rebound faster than michigan will.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "stash, why are you so reckless with your remarks?"

How am I being reckless? I was just pointing out the errors in your assumption that Detroit is doomed and the rest of the country is on the threshold of recovery, I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong. You're believing the lies from those getting rich off the fleecing of our manufacturing sector. They claim we'll replace it with a more "service based" economy. It's BS.

Quote: "tech sector, banking [[shaky as it is), the insurance industry, mining, tourism,"

Tourism? Do you really believe we're going to replace our vast lost manufacturing sector with a few niche industries like Mining and Tourism, mom and pop widget shops? Trying to repair our economy while the condition continues to exist that caused it's demise, is futile. The trade situation needs to be addressed.

[thecarl]

Quote: "stash, why are you so reckless with your remarks?"

How am I being reckless? I was just pointing out the errors in your assumption that Detroit is doomed and the rest of the country is on the threshold of recovery, I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong. You're believing the lies from those getting rich off the fleecing of our manufacturing sector. They claim we'll replace it with a more "service based" economy. It's BS.

stash, your remarks are getting so far afield of my response to your statement that i'm not sure if you're arguing against me, or some pre-defined image of me that will suffice for an argument. given your remark that i'm "believing the lies from those getting rich off the fleecing of our manufacturing sector," it's obvious that you have pre-defined notions about who i am, and what i believe, that are totally wrong. that makes you highly prejudiced.

i never said detroit is doomed - but, do you know what i DID say, stash? i said "michigan was made great by its surrounding water and abundance of natural materials, and that's still here. michigan will bounce back, but it will be a long time before that happens." that's a lot different from DOOMED, stash.

Quote: "tech sector, banking [[shaky as it is), the insurance industry, mining, tourism,"

Tourism? Do you really believe we're going to replace our vast lost manufacturing sector with a few niche industries like Mining and Tourism, mom and pop widget shops? Trying to repair our economy while the condition continues to exist that caused it's demise, is futile. The trade situation needs to be addressed.

proof that you are more eager to criticize than to understand, stash. i did not mention these industries in the context of michigan's resurgence: these are some of the key industries which will spur the economies of other regions. i did not say that these "few niche industries" as you call them will repair michigan's economy.