America's Most Dangerous Cities, 2011

[lansing]

And of course as you guessed it they rated detroit number 1



http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/am...ties-2011.html

[Crumbled_pavement]

And of course, we have by far the most devasted looking picture associated with us. Speaking of picture, exactly where is this picture from? Is it around the Highland Park border?

[animatedmartian]

It's the Chrysler plant at Wyoming and 94

http://g.co/maps/fyp8t

The other picture was of the riverwalk, which totally confused me. If Detroit's at the top of the list, they might as well have went all out and found some ruin porn.

[Dexlin]

Anyone noticed how they defined "Metro Detroit" as only Wayne County, but used every other area's official MSA [[metropolitan statistical area) definition? lol We can't win for losing.

[bartock]

Anyone noticed how they defined "Metro Detroit" as only Wayne County, but used every other area's official MSA [[metropolitan statistical area) definition? lol We can't win for losing.

I thought that was very interesting. Metro area 1.8 million.

[iheartthed]

Anyone noticed how they defined "Metro Detroit" as only Wayne County, but used every other area's official MSA [[metropolitan statistical area) definition? lol We can't win for losing.

We had this discussion the last time Forbes released this list. Notice how Detroit is by far the largest MSA listed? Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn is a Metropolitan subdivision of the Detroit MSA. The census bureau breaks up larger MSAs into these subdivisions for statistical purposes.

Forbes just cleverly found a way to put Detroit on a list that would otherwise get ignored [[how many people really care about the crime rate in Springfield, IL?). The only reason Detroit is even on this list is because they cherry-picked a subsection of Metro Detroit out of the official definition of the Detroit MSA.

[Detroitdave]

We had this discussion the last time Forbes released this list. Notice how Detroit is by far the largest MSA listed? Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn is a Metropolitan subdivision of the Detroit MSA. The census bureau breaks up larger MSAs into these subdivisions for statistical purposes.

Forbes just cleverly found a way to put Detroit on a list that would otherwise get ignored [[how many people really care about the crime rate in Springfield, IL?). The only reason Detroit is even on this list is because they cherry-picked a subsection of Metro Detroit out of the official definition of the Detroit MSA.

I completely agree ! they only used Detroit and Wayne County . If they would have added the TRUE Detroit Metro area , they would have used Oakland and Macomb Counties .
Using this areas in the MSA would bring Metro Detroit in line with many other major Metro area .
This is simply more of the same BS, Detroit is a big scary place, are they just trying to sell more add space and keep the status the same. Is this the same company that owns Somerset Collection ? and the Lofts at merchant row ? What gives ? I know the city of Detroit is not the most desirable place to live , but come on ! We as Americans are so quick to judge and not do a little homework . It's easy for folks in Fairfax county ,Virginia , Orange country, Ca, Dallas, TX , North Carolina whatever "safe" place to judge. Keep building those "business parks " and "subdivisions" We are doing a bang up job on building a "safe" nation .

[Scottathew]

I love how Yahoo links the word "Detroit" in their article to "Yahoo Real Estate Detroit Homes for Sale".

Yeah, it's another black eye, perhaps we deserve it, perhaps we don't. But I still feel like things have been getting better and better. It might only be in isolated pockets, but they are getting better.

[softailrider]

I love how Yahoo links the word "Detroit" in their article to "Yahoo Real Estate Detroit Homes for Sale".

Yeah, it's another black eye, perhaps we deserve it, perhaps we don't. But I still feel like things have been getting better and better. It might only be in isolated pockets, but they are getting better.

Having lived and / or worked in Detroit for over 50 years, I don't think the city has ever looked worse. I'm not sure where the " better and better" is. Are you refering to Foxtown?

[Scottathew]

Having lived and / or worked in Detroit for over 50 years, I don't think the city has ever looked worse. I'm not sure where the " better and better" is. Are you refering to Foxtown?

My feeling is that we hit bottom about 5-10 years ago. Downtown and Midtown are getting better. Some neighborhoods have stabilized [[while others are still falling apart though).

Jobs are moving into the city. Yes, the many of the same suburbanites that held the jobs in the suburbs still hold them now that they've moved. However, now as new jobs are created and positions open up there's going to be tremendous opportunity for folks that actually live in the city and are seeking employment. Also, many folks are moving to Downtown and Midtown to follow their jobs that moved.

I know it's nowhere where it need to be, but I think things are starting to change.

[rondinjp]

My feeling is that we hit bottom about 5-10 years ago. Downtown and Midtown are getting better. Some neighborhoods have stabilized [[while others are still falling apart though).

Jobs are moving into the city. Yes, the many of the same suburbanites that held the jobs in the suburbs still hold them now that they've moved. However, now as new jobs are created and positions open up there's going to be tremendous opportunity for folks that actually live in the city and are seeking employment. Also, many folks are moving to Downtown and Midtown to follow their jobs that moved.

I know it's nowhere where it need to be, but I think things are starting to change.

I used to feel that things were getting better about 10 years ago, but since then we have been on a downward trajectory that I see no signs of stopping. Hell, looking at the paper each day illustrates how bad the city is becoming. While we argue this happens in "other cities" around the US, it doesn't. There is no other cities where in their best areas e.g., New Center, Midtown, Downtown, you have murders and crime this prevalent. I wish and continually hope that I'm wrong, but then I still see stories like this:

http://tinyurl.com/6hro7zk

[gitrdone]

Detroit is toast. Bill Bonds said it correct last week when ask by Huel Perkins.."Is Detroit coming back?
No, responded Bonds....
Bonds also said Detroit is 85% black and no one wants to live in a city that is 85% black....

Also, can we stop renaming Detroit areas by new p.c. friendly names? Midtown? It's always been the Cass Corridor to me. Dont try to repackage Detroit. Just accept it for what it is.

[Scottathew]

Detroit is toast. Bill Bonds said it correct last week when ask by Huel Perkins.."Is Detroit coming back?
No, responded Bonds....
Bonds also said Detroit is 85% black and no one wants to live in a city that is 85% black....

Also, can we stop renaming Detroit areas by new p.c. friendly names? Midtown? It's always been the Cass Corridor to me. Dont try to repackage Detroit. Just accept it for what it is.

Racial and economic dividing lines still exist, but are slowly fading. I live in south Warren, a city that used to be "The Whitest City with a Population of Over 100,000". My neighborhood is much more diverse than it was when I moved in in 2006.

As to "p.c. friendly names". I'm younger and grew up in the suburbs. I never new this area as "Cass Corridor". Regardless of what you want to call it, it's getting much better. Jobs AND people are moving in.

Call me crazy, but I believe in Detroit. Things are changing. It will take decades to get to where I want it to be, and it might not happen in my lifetime. Detroit will be a very a different place when I leave this Earth.

[HistoryNotHisStory]

Racial and economic dividing lines still exist, but are slowly fading. I live in south Warren, a city that used to be "The Whitest City with a Population of Over 100,000". My neighborhood is much more diverse than it was when I moved in in 2006.

As to "p.c. friendly names". I'm younger and grew up in the suburbs. I never new this area as "Cass Corridor". Regardless of what you want to call it, it's getting much better. Jobs AND people are moving in.

Call me crazy, but I believe in Detroit. Things are changing. It will take decades to get to where I want it to be, and it might not happen in my lifetime. Detroit will be a very a different place when I leave this Earth.

In 20 to 30 years, Blacks and Hispancis will be the vast majority of citizens in the United States.

Yes Virginia, America will be changed.

With the increasing growth of interacial marriages, America will become color blind.
We will be a nation of neopolitan comospolitan people. Our faces will look like the faces of Brazil.

Corporation know this and makes sure they market their products to Blacks and Hispanics.

[313WX]

Detroit is toast. Bill Bonds said it correct last week when ask by Huel Perkins.."Is Detroit coming back?
No, responded Bonds....
Bonds also said Detroit is 85% black and no one wants to live in a city that is 85% black....

Also, can we stop renaming Detroit areas by new p.c. friendly names? Midtown? It's always been the Cass Corridor to me. Dont try to repackage Detroit. Just accept it for what it is.

The renaming is not my problem, it's when the same group in question always tries to say Detroit is so great and it's coming back when they're only referencing 4 sq. odd miles surrounding downtown while forgetting Detroit is a city that's 143 sq. mi wide and much of it is rapidly declining. Even then it's still a stretch to say there's any large scale revitalization taking place, it's still way too slow pace to have an impact on "Detroit's" preception and population decline. In comparison to most major cities Detroit's size [[metro and/or city proper) downtown Detroit is still a ghostly hellhole.

And I agree with another poster, the city [[the entire 143 sq. mi) hasn't looked worse. Is there any neighborhood now in Detroit without any missing teeth and walkable retail establishments?

[DetroitPole]

The renaming is one of the few things that actually seems to work. Yeah, a lot of the neighborhood names are rather recent inventions, but look at the places that have held on [[Midtown being most notable) - Indian Village, West Village[[that seems like probably a new one?) Green Acres, Rosedale Park, East English Village[[named that in 1990). Granted these places have other things going for them, but the marketing is big, if annoying. Few people want to live at Cass and Selden. Tell them they're in Midtown. Van Dyke and Agnes? No, call that is West Village.

I'm more in the camp of "Detroit is fucked beyond recovery" but so were a lot of cities, seemingly, until very recently.

I wouldn't take Bill Bonds word for anything anymore, even in one of his rare sober/non-coked-out moments. He's the classic Metro Detroiter - aging suburbanite stuck in a 1970's mindset. Nobody wants to live in an area that has a minority super majority? It's called gentrification, not that I'm advocating that. It's been happening around the country for a while now. Young educated people also don't want to live in an area that is 85%+ white either, unlike the Bonds generation. And 48091 has it right - the racial line is turning into a grey area, everywhere.

The trend toward urban areas and the architecture of the nicer areas of Detroit is somewhat hopeful. I just don't know what you do with the rest of the shelled out city, or the astronomical crime and lack of transit [[in 2011...). My area has held up pretty well, it is just considerably more working class than it was 10 years ago.

[Scottathew]

I wouldn't take Bill Bonds word for anything anymore, even in one of his rare sober/non-coked-out moments. He's the classic Metro Detroiter - aging suburbanite stuck in a 1970's mindset.

That's a very polite way of calling Bill Bonds an old, racist, drunk.

Which is a very accurate label. Although he did make some good points on TV the other day, I'm a little more optimistic than he is.

[English]

Detroit is toast. Bill Bonds said it correct last week when ask by Huel Perkins.."Is Detroit coming back?
No, responded Bonds....
Bonds also said Detroit is 85% black and no one wants to live in a city that is 85% black...

LOL! What if you're black? Sure there are a lot of black people who don't want to live in majority black environments, but there are at least a few who do... along with white people and people of all races. The vanguard coming into Detroit, Harlem, etc. are choosing to live in majority black areas. No, it's not millions of folks, but the trickle has become a steady flow.

Surely, Bill Bonds, we are "someone." Not "no one."

I love how in metro Detroit, "no one," "people," and "everybody" refers to a very narrow demographic. So we're back to pre-1950s thought. Newsflash: the rest of us are people, too.

[jbd441]

LOL! What if you're black? Sure there are a lot of black people who don't want to live in majority black environments, but there are at least a few who do... along with white people and people of all races. The vanguard coming into Detroit, Harlem, etc. are choosing to live in majority black areas. No, it's not millions of folks, but the trickle has become a steady flow.

Surely, Bill Bonds, we are "someone." Not "no one."

I love how in metro Detroit, "no one," "people," and "everybody" refers to a very narrow demographic. So we're back to pre-1950s thought. Newsflash: the rest of us are people, too.

Very good points. Harlem is becoming a neighborhood of million dollar condos and brownstones....and the middle class is being pushed out.

Also shouldn't the Detroit sign read "Detroit City Limit" not limits? Don't cities have one limit that extends around the city? I'm just saying....

[rhythmc]

Very good points. Harlem is becoming a neighborhood of million dollar condos and brownstones....and the middle class is being pushed out.

Also shouldn't the Detroit sign read "Detroit City Limit" not limits? Don't cities have one limit that extends around the city? I'm just saying....

I'm interested in understanding what "middle class" means to everyone. I mean, it seems that the term has a different meaning depending on who you ask. I think it's just a different part of the middle class.

The people with greater means were not the first to move to Harlem or really anywhere in area that have become revitalized. It's always the artsy types or those who have less aversion to living among people who don't look like themselves. However, once that demo builds up, then is when you have the million $ condo class move in.

Also, doesn't Detroit have multiple city limits due to the borders with Hamtramck and Highland Park?

[iheartthed]

I'm interested in understanding what "middle class" means to everyone. I mean, it seems that the term has a different meaning depending on who you ask. I think it's just a different part of the middle class.

The people with greater means were not the first to move to Harlem or really anywhere in area that have become revitalized. It's always the artsy types or those who have less aversion to living among people who don't look like themselves. However, once that demo builds up, then is when you have the million $ condo class move in.

Also, doesn't Detroit have multiple city limits due to the borders with Hamtramck and Highland Park?

This might be true for Williamsburg and other parts of Brooklyn and lower Manhattan, but Harlem was never a hot spot for artists. Harlem gentrified because there was nowhere else in Manhattan to build out, especially due to the strict zoning laws of the more affluent neighborhoods just to the south of Harlem. Harlem's appeal is that it offers the Manhattan experience with the not-quite-Manhattan prices.

[brizee]

LOL! What if you're black? Sure there are a lot of black people who don't want to live in majority black environments, but there are at least a few who do... along with white people and people of all races. The vanguard coming into Detroit, Harlem, etc. are choosing to live in majority black areas. No, it's not millions of folks, but the trickle has become a steady flow.

Surely, Bill Bonds, we are "someone." Not "no one."

I love how in metro Detroit, "no one," "people," and "everybody" refers to a very narrow demographic. So we're back to pre-1950s thought. Newsflash: the rest of us are people, too.

That's always fun.

The whole nonperson thing is still amazing everytime I hear it from people who get a little too comfortable/forget I'm there and apologize right after.

I'm doing the right thing.

College educated, tax-paying, doing my part. But I just don't exist.

Noone lives in the city/it should be nuked and a Walmart placed on the ashes.

I'm sick of having to be a model or some sort of trailblazer for young black men. I'm sick of being called stupid to my face because I went to DPS and I'm sitting in the same fucking university class room you are.
I'm sick of being told what's what by people who spend 10-40 hours a week here.

Fuck this place. Not all the time but GODDAMNIT sometimes.

[softailrider]

That's always fun.

The whole nonperson thing is still amazing everytime I hear it from people who get a little too comfortable/forget I'm there and apologize right after.

I'm doing the right thing.

College educated, tax-paying, doing my part. But I just don't exist.

Noone lives in the city/it should be nuked and a Walmart placed on the ashes.

I'm sick of having to be a model or some sort of trailblazer for young black men. I'm sick of being called stupid to my face because I went to DPS and I'm sitting in the same fucking university class room you are.
I'm sick of being told what's what by people who spend 10-40 hours a week here.

Fuck this place. Not all the time but GODDAMNIT sometimes.

Sorry, while I don't live in Detroit anymore, I've been working there for 32 years. I probably see way more of the city then the vast majority of people who do live there. It's impossible for me to deny reality - this cities neighborhoods looks worse now than at any other point I can remember. The area around the stadiums [[Foxtown) looks great, Palmer Woods, Indian Village and the like seem to be holding up fine. Woodbridge has had a resurgence and is looking way better. However,most of the working class neighborhoods, where regular people would reside are mostly terrible with a few exceptions.

That's not to say that, there are some people who could easily afford to move but are happy living in a blighted out area for whatever reasons.

[rhythmc]

However,most of the working class neighborhoods, where regular people would reside are mostly terrible with a few exceptions.

Based on stats that x% people in Detroit are unemployed and y% live in poverty, I would bet that many of the working-class neighborhoods fit the working-class label in the past and are now lower-class/impoverished these days.

[illwill]

Detroit is toast. Bill Bonds said it correct last week when ask by Huel Perkins.."Is Detroit coming back?
No, responded Bonds....
Bonds also said Detroit is 85% black and no one wants to live in a city that is 85% black....

Also, can we stop renaming Detroit areas by new p.c. friendly names? Midtown? It's always been the Cass Corridor to me. Dont try to repackage Detroit. Just accept it for what it is.

i completely agree!