Occupy Wall Street

[mjs]

Time to fix the government and the country by ending the welfare programs . . .

for the rich and the corporations.

[Occurrence]

I stand corrected.....95%

Well, realistically, 97-98%.

It's still a start though!

[Jimaz]

Mainly a lack of motivation because of a frustration with the lack of any meaningful incentives.

It's refreshing to hear someone else say that. I've been saying that for decades.

If economic disparity grows beyond reason, the resulting lack of social mobility becomes as much of a disincentive as if there were zero economic disparity. Opposite ends of a spectrum leading to the same disaster for the same reason.

We need to resurrect the phrase "equal opportunity for all."

[Papasito]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...UqYHrGPCaZaLRK

Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.
“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.
“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”

Maybe that's just another way to spread the wealth around....

[Danny]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...UqYHrGPCaZaLRK


Maybe that's just another way to spread the wealth around....

Now that's a socialist question. Here's the socialist answer:

All corporations and super rich will contribute their monies to feed the poor, support the middle class end your relationship in the all world governments, give up your million dollar salaries and bonuses. Share your profits with the masses or else, you all will be poor in a matter of years. This is our mantra from the 99 Percenters.


WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHETS

For the 99 Percenters and the Spirit of Guy Fawkes. Neda, I miss you so.

[oladub]

Just as the tea party movement was largely hijacked by the mainstream Republican Party and some financial interests, the occupy movement seems to be losing control of it's direction to Democratic Party operatives.

Here is a polling of it's participants in NYC;
Polling the Wall Street Crowd.
Too bad if true but it is possible that this poll, reports of thievery, and reports of censorship are just manufactured to discredit the occupy movement. I wonder why no one thought of criticizing tea parties of littering and thievery.

[Goose]

Now that's a socialist question. Here's the socialist answer:

All corporations and super rich will contribute their monies to feed the poor, support the middle class end your relationship in the all world governments, give up your million dollar salaries and bonuses. Share your profits with the masses or else, you all will be poor in a matter of years. This is our mantra from the 99 Percenters.

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and once they are all poor.. who will you look at next to confiscate their money? once the givers/taken decide it's easier to be a reciever than be productive... where do you turn?

[Danny]

Just as the tea party movement was largely hijacked by the mainstream Republican Party and some financial interests, the occupy movement seems to be losing control of it's direction to Democratic Party operatives.

Here is a polling of it's participants in NYC;
Polling the Wall Street Crowd.
Too bad if true but it is possible that this poll, reports of thievery, and reports of censorship are just manufactured to discredit the occupy movement. I wonder why no one thought of criticizing tea parties of littering and thievery.

The 99% Percenters are not siding with Republicans or Democrats or Independents or Tea Partiers. We want them to side with us and abolish corporate greed and its relationship in the U.S. government and its global governments. We the 99% are don't have to vote for any leader. Electing a leader is irrelevant! The 99% are a pure socialist community. We 99 Percenters don't have a leader nor electing a leader until the 99% say so. The leadership is the people of many nations. We the 99 Percenters have a world to win and a mantra to complete. Force corporations to share their profits the masses of main street proletarians or face sudden closure and collapse. From out of ecomonic collapse a new pure socialist regime controlled by the union of the people. By years ahead The 99 Percenters are here to stay. We will destroy greed crimes from the rich and restore the Earth back to the power of the proletarians.

[rb336]

Just as the tea party movement was largely hijacked by the mainstream Republican Party and some financial interests, the occupy movement seems to be losing control of it's direction to Democratic Party operatives.

Here is a polling of it's participants in NYC;
Polling the Wall Street Crowd.
Too bad if true but it is possible that this poll, reports of thievery, and reports of censorship are just manufactured to discredit the occupy movement. I wonder why no one thought of criticizing tea parties of littering and thievery.

please note this is an OPINION piece, in the rightest-wing publication on the planet. Note it states that the protesters are out of step with the general population, but he never says where.

poll says that they support higher taxes on the rich -- by a 77% margin. not far off the recent polls of the general public [[who, many polls say, support the protesters). the opinion piece also says most think the government should guarantee health care and education. many polls also show that the majority of Americans favor that as well. This bit of crap is nothing but an unfactual attempt to pigeonhole the people participating as "fringe." what a load of dung. Remember this guy is primarily a political analyst for the faux news as well. utter bloody rubbish.

PS -- THIS GUY is a democrat. That really puts the lie to the idea that dems are liberal.

[Danny]

and once they are all poor.. who will you look at next to confiscate their money? once the givers/taken decide it's easier to be a reciever than be productive... where do you turn?

The new pure socialist system of the 99% works in this way: You will work or don't eat. If you're crippled the state will take of you. If you recieve your paycheck. The paystub will show that you have contibute 10% each to the state and equally shared with the masses. You have the right of possession of wealth you don't have the right to be greedy! If you and proletarian company is caught greed crime, you and your conspirators will be prosecuted in prison and be re-educated back to our socialist cause.

Once the corporations have broken away from government ending plutomony and other kleptocracies, they will be competed and invest correctly in a pure capitalist manner. They must contribute back to community whether they charge fees or not. They must show what are fees represent to the socialist cause. If they get caught scamming, doing other greed crime. They will be punished and they possessions taken and distributed to the masses. The greed criminals will taken to prison for re-education.

We the 99 Percenters will stop any person caught involving in resource abuse by means of greed. All must work and share. The proletarians can keep their money up to a year and 10 percent or more must be taken away from good the socialist union. We 99% percenters have a world to win and a mantra to finish. We 99 Percenters will not stop until a global socialist government where every works and shares is complete.

WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET

For the Spirit of Guy Fawkes and the 99 Percenters, Neda, I miss you so.

[oladub]

rb, The statistics which interested me were:
1) "nearly one-third [[31%) would support violence to advance their agenda."
2) "An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote." Maybe there is some hope.

[Jimaz]

Attachment 10958
Noam Chomsky on Occupy Wall Street protests

... the system isn't working and the public knows it. The favorability rating of Congress is in single digits, the President not much higher and the same runs across all other institutions. It's a very widespread sense that everything is going wrong. That tells you that the democratic system is just not functioning. Now, in fact, I don't want to suggest that this is totally new. So you can go back a century and you can still predict throughout this period pretty well the outcome of elections by campaign funding. But there are degrees. And now it's gotten extreme. The level to which the U.S. has departed from other capitalist societies is pretty remarkable.

[rb336]

rb, The statistics which interested me were:
1) "nearly one-third [[31%) would support violence to advance their agenda."
2) "An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote." Maybe there is some hope.

statistics taken from a wsj poll -- and the form of the question was not actually put in. perhaps they said "would you actively resist arrest?" and decided any yes answer meant "supporting violence." A poll that doesn't povide its methodology -- and seems to have only been used in an OPINION piece, since i couldn't find any further details of the poll -- is pure BS. Everyone with a lick of sense knows progressives aren't happy with obama -- most of us held our noses to vote for him the first time, and will hold them again if he's up against a lunatic like Cain or perry. just as the religious right will hold there noses to vote for either Cain or Romney

[firstandten]

One needs to be careful how you evaluate polls. Especially as Rb states how the questions are structured, the confidence level or +/- in percentage points.

And also the stuff that is left out. For example the head lines can scream out that President Obama job approval rating is down, but what is not said is that every incumbent politician
job approval rating is down [[house and senate) is many cases more than the presidents.
Or independents, in many cases independents are people who generally vote Repub but don't want to self identify as one.

The best way in my opinion is to look at many different polls across the spectrum
and make some judgement based on that.

[maxx]

To all the various "Occupy" groups: Save your energy for the elections.

You'd think Congress would pass a jobs bill just to get the "Occupy" people off the streets.

[maxx]

Steven Colbert explains Herman Cain's statement that the unemployed have only themselves to blame. Ali Soufan is creepy.
http://www.colbertnation.com/

[maxx]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...UqYHrGPCaZaLRK


Maybe that's just another way to spread the wealth around....

"Crooks within their ranks..." Like NYC has to import crooks.

[Downtown Lady]

This is good:

Everything the Media Told You About Occupy Wall Street is Wrong
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-boykin/occupy-wall-street-media_b_1019707.html

from the article:
Based on my observations, here's what I consider the Top Ten Myths About Occupy Wall Street.

Myth #1. The Movement Is Violent.
Myth #2. It's Just A Bunch Of Pampered Kids.
Myth #3. There Are No Black People Involved.
Myth #4. They're Anti-American.
Myth #5. They're Just Modern-Day Hippies.
Myth #6. They Don't Know What They Want.
Myth #7. The Labor Unions Are Behind This.
Myth #8. They're Pro-Obama. They're Anti-Obama.
Myth #9. They're In The Wrong Place.
Myth #10. They're Taking Over Wall Street.

[Downtown Lady]

To all the various "Occupy" groups: Save your energy for the elections.

Maxx, c'mon -- as well-versed as you are about political matters, you know how broken the system is. How can you resolve something within the system when the system is corrupt? We will not be able to vote our way out of this -- we need an overhaul of the way things are done.

[old guy]

Maxx, c'mon -- as well-versed as you are about political matters, you know how broken the system is. How can you resolve something within the system when the system is corrupt? We will not be able to vote our way out of this -- we need an overhaul of the way things are done.

I think that's one of the main points of all of this. We vote, nothing happens. The voice of the American voter has been replaced by power of the lobby's in Washington. Large groups of people in the streets are hard to ignore. We do need a major overhaul, and fast.

[oladub]

Another poll:
"When asked whom they blame more for the poor economy in the poll conducted over the weekend, 64% of Americans faulted the federal government while 30% cited big banks and other financial institutions."

Either the occupy folks are out of sync with America or myth #9 isn't a myth. Goal #1 should be to boot everyone from elected office who voted for Bush's Wall Street bailout.

[maxx]

Maxx, c'mon -- as well-versed as you are about political matters, you know how broken the system is. How can you resolve something within the system when the system is corrupt? We will not be able to vote our way out of this -- we need an overhaul of the way things are done.

And that's going to be done by sitting in the street in NYC?

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/10-6
Krugman points out the obvious.

"...The way to understand all of this is to realize that it’s part of a broader syndrome, in which wealthy Americans who benefit hugely from a system rigged in their favor react with hysteria to anyone who points out just how rigged the system is...."

[maxx]

We are either a nation of laws or we will have chaos. Do you think the system will be changed by taking axes to the buildings on Wall St.? Or tying up the NYC courts? When you talk about changing the system, just how do you plan to do it if not by elections and laws?

[maxx]

We are either a nation of laws or we will have chaos. Do you think the system will be changed by taking axes to the buildings on Wall St.? Or tying up the NYC courts? When you talk about changing the system, just how do you plan to do it if not by elections and laws? I may not like the present system, but I don't trust unequivocally some heterogenous mob like the Wall St. occupiers to come up with a better system. It's simplistic to think that any other system would be better than the present one we have.

[Searay215]

Maxx, c'mon -- as well-versed as you are about political matters, you know how broken the system is. How can you resolve something within the system when the system is corrupt? We will not be able to vote our way out of this -- we need an overhaul of the way things are done.

Not trying to be a smart a$$, but how do you do that? I mean besides occupying streets in America? A start, but there is no one leader, there is no one real message, they all seem to show up to root for thier individual cause....anarchy? What? And then there is The golden rule, those who have the gold[[Power) rule......and your going to end this how? Please answer my questions.....if you can.

Yes there needs to be changes.....no argument....but as my wise dad always said.....sometimes you should be careful what you wish for.

My personal opinion is that things are going to get a LOT worse before they get better!! And when I say a lot worse I mean very bad things are going to happen.