This is how you eventually get regionalism.

**corktownyuppie** · September-12-11, 01:50 PM

I never really understood why Metro Detroit/Southeast Michigan is so addicted to their structure of inefficient fiefdoms when we could cooperate and have so much more to gain. I also was fortunate of to spend 6 years of my life at U-D Jesuit, so I guess I just thought everyone else saw it the same way.

From the Craig Fahle show on WDET:

Southeast Michigan has long been known as one of the most segregated regions in the nation. And nowhere is this more apparent than in the school systems that dot Metro Detroit. But there is a school in Detroit that turns this idea on its head…attracting students from more than 30 communities. As part of a series about people and institutions working to bring the Metro region together, WDET’s Noah Ovshinsky reports on a school that is seeing a level of popularity it hasn’t seen in decades.

GO CUBS!

**DetroitPlanner** · September-12-11, 04:08 PM

Yawn its also economically stratified. Rich people don't have the same barriers put up between them as working class people do. Divide and conquer thats how you stay in control.

My high school attracted kids from a lot more than 30 communities and we had everyone from cop's kids going there to the kid's of CEOs... oh and we had women too! It was Bishop Borgess. Schools like that were crushed. Only one left is Redeemer and its known now at Christo Rey.

**MikeyinBrooklyn** · September-12-11, 04:23 PM

"Rich people don't have the same barriers put up between them as working class people do."

I'm not commenting here on the topic directly, but I just wanted to comment that RICH PEOPLE WORK. The term "working class" is offensive because it lumps any person who might develope a dollop of sweat, regardless of education, ambition, intelligence, or anything else into the same group. I am by no stretch rich, and would be considered "working class," but I know it is wrong to divide people that way. We're individuals with our own problem, talents, and outlooks on life. No one is in need of anyone looking out for their "class." This is not colonial India for God's sake. We don't have castes!

Sorry for the rant, but I think it is belittling to use the term working class. Also, in my opinion, it creates the idea that there is "another side" that you must oppose and can't join. MOST rich people, didn't start that way. I hope to be rich one day, and you can bet your ass I will still be "working" for it.

**Detroitnerd** · September-12-11, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by MikeyinBrooklyn

"Rich people don't have the same barriers put up between them as working class people do."

I'm not commenting here on the topic directly, but I just wanted to comment that RICH PEOPLE WORK. The term "working class" is offensive because it lumps any person who might develope a dollop of sweat, regardless of education, ambition, intelligence, or anything else into the same group. I am by no stretch rich, and would be considered "working class," but I know it is wrong to divide people that way. We're individuals with our own problem, talents, and outlooks on life. No one is in need of anyone looking out for their "class." This is not colonial India for God's sake. We don't have castes!

Sorry for the rant, but I think it is belittling to use the term working class. Also, in my opinion, it creates the idea that there is "another side" that you must oppose and can't join. MOST rich people, didn't start that way. I hope to be rich one day, and you can bet your ass I will still be "working" for it.

The working class lives by selling its labor or starves.

The rich don't have to work. Many rich people don't work, and live on inheritances, trust funds or other mechanisms.

Now, that isn't to say that all rich people are parasites. Many are. Many profit from the misery of others [[their "work"). But there are some rich folks who are actually contributing to society. Mostly, they have to be forced to do that by the people through their government.

**MikeyinBrooklyn** · September-12-11, 06:45 PM

DetroitNerd: What planet are you from? Have you ever met a successful small business owner? My last boss owns three restaurants- very successful restaurants- in New York. She started as a hostess when she was 13. She did every job in the place through her teens. She scrounged to open her first place. She had 2 failures before having a hit. She now is finally worth quite a bit of money, and she still works 60+ hours a week. She washed dishes on the fourth of July when the dishwasher didn't show up. She is a hero and someone I want to emulate. She employs 250 people. If you are reliable and good at your job, she pays you well. And all management was promoted up from lower jobs. Because they worked hard! They lazy stay where they are. Let me tell you: THERE ARE A LOT MORE OF HER THAN THERE ARE FORD HEIRESSES. She isn't working class: she works with class. You don't attack your way to prosperity. You earn it.

**mwilbert** · September-12-11, 07:52 PM

Yawn its also economically stratified. Rich people don't have the same barriers put up between them as working class people do. Divide and conquer thats how you stay in control.

If you think that UDHS lacks working class kids, I think you are mistaken. If you think it is part of a plot to control the lower classes, I think you are very mistaken.

**Detroitnerd** · September-13-11, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by MikeyinBrooklyn

DetroitNerd: What planet are you from? Have you ever met a successful small business owner? My last boss owns three restaurants- very successful restaurants- in New York. She started as a hostess when she was 13. She did every job in the place through her teens. She scrounged to open her first place. She had 2 failures before having a hit. She now is finally worth quite a bit of money, and she still works 60+ hours a week. She washed dishes on the fourth of July when the dishwasher didn't show up. She is a hero and someone I want to emulate. She employs 250 people. If you are reliable and good at your job, she pays you well. And all management was promoted up from lower jobs. Because they worked hard! They lazy stay where they are. Let me tell you: THERE ARE A LOT MORE OF HER THAN THERE ARE FORD HEIRESSES. She isn't working class: she works with class. You don't attack your way to prosperity. You earn it.

You admit friend isn't rich, just "worth quite a bit of money." The "elite" are rich. You know: the top .01 percent. Just because there are a lot more hard-working people than the elite doesn't matter. That's the whole point. That's what makes the elite the elite.

Anyway, look who's making generalizations, hmmm?

**corktownyuppie** · September-12-11, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

Many profit from the misery of others [[their "work"). But there are some rich folks who are actually contributing to society. Mostly, they have to be forced to do that by the people through their government.

Wow. You're kidding, right? Most rich people I know are the hardest working people I've ever met. Sure there are some exceptions, but they are exceptions, not the rule.

**Det_ard** · September-12-11, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

The working class lives by selling its labor or starves.

The rich don't have to work. Many rich people don't work, and live on inheritances, trust funds or other mechanisms.

Now, that isn't to say that all rich people are parasites. Many are. Many profit from the misery of others [[their "work"). But there are some rich folks who are actually contributing to society. Mostly, they have to be forced to do that by the people through their government.

Dude, you've got some serious issues.

**Detroitnerd** · September-13-11, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Det_ard

Dude, you've got some serious issues.

Dude, you don't have a point.

**GoGrixdale** · September-12-11, 06:38 PM

Is attending U-D Jesuit an indicator of rich?

At least with racism its easy to know what side of the war your on.

**English** · September-12-11, 07:58 PM

U of D definitely isn't this classist or elitist school. [[Then again, people think that my public high school, Renaissance was where all the rich or bourgeoisie kids went. My parents were too poor to buy my class ring -- I still don't have one from high school, college, or grad.)

I think socioeconomic class in the United States is more fuzzy than race and ethnicity, which is why we use the latter as a convenient proxy for us vs. them. Whoever came up with skin color as a definitive caste marker a half millennium ago [[or whenever) was diabolical -- but brilliant. Fine clothing [[Cinderella) or a fine education [[Eliza Doolittle) or enough money [[many others) can sometimes mask your class origins. Nothing can mask your racial origins -- you get entered into that lottery at birth, and there's nothing you can do to change it.

Anyway, I digress. U of D Jesuit is a local gem. It's a crying shame that so many other fine Catholic schools have left Detroit.

**corktownyuppie** · September-12-11, 08:31 PM

Ha. My first house had 5 people sharing a 2-bdrm, 1 bath house right by Denby High School. U-D High has plenty of rich kids. But it has plenty of non-rich kids, too. WHICH IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. Geographical and socio-economic diversity.

Btw...shout out to Cristo Rey, too. Their principal spent the early 00s as principal at U-D Jesuit and another 2 decades prior to that on faculty.

U-D for the rich? You must be confusing it with Cranbrook and Country Day. Yawn.

**DetroitPlanner** · September-13-11, 09:36 AM

My comment had a certain amount of sarcasm. A co worker of mine who also went to Bishop Borgess ended up sending his son to U of D. I would rib him about how he was elitist.

**Detroitnerd** · September-13-11, 04:52 PM

Ford is more complicated than that. He'd give the workers HIS heaven, and on HIS terms. He employed a ruthless group of secret police and would fire anybody who whispered about a union, and wanted workers who didn't drink or smoke. As for his feelings about Jews ...

lilpup · September-13-11, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

Ford is more complicated than that. He'd give the workers HIS heaven, and on HIS terms. He employed a ruthless group of secret police and would fire anybody who whispered about a union, and wanted workers who didn't drink or smoke. As for his feelings about Jews ...

That was in much later years and those who were willing to work didn't have problems with them. Ford didn't have a problem with smokers or drinkers unless it interfered with their work. And the whole Jewish thing is blown waaaay out of proportion.