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    Quote Originally Posted by HazenPingree View Post
    In addition to the observations about daytime population, I am troubled by the inference that crimes are being perpetrated on strangers. I would wager that the vast majority of these crimes were committed by people who knew their victims. Drug crimes, love triangles, gang warfare, and personal feuds. Living in one of the city's core neighborhoods - let alone coming to Detroit for a baseball game - involves a very low likelihood of coming across such an altercation.
    I agree with this totally except that some of these altercations take place at huge public events or areas. The annual fireworks downtown or at the riverwalk are where incidents like this have occurred. If the people with the guns are already crazy enough to whip it out when they get in an argument, they aren't really going to care if innocent bystanders get hit.That seems just as bad as criminals who would willingly target strangers.

    Of course, I think police presence makes a big difference too. Gunslingers are less willing to go that route if the cops are right around the corner and don't take 45 minutes to show up.

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    Autoracks, Im not pickin up what your layin down.

    Easy Wind is a favorite of mine.

    Gotta find a woman be good to me,
    won't hide my liquor try to serve me tea,
    cause I'm a stone jack baller and my heart is true
    and I'll give everything that I got to you, yes I will.

    I dont understand the connection though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coracle View Post
    It's not an illusion jtf. Based on the figures, I am safer living in the 'burbs than if I was living downtown. I've lived in my city for 35 years and I don't remember a murder happening in it, or in cities local to it. I do have a deep seated concern though that as the flight from the city continues eventually some of the criminals might settle in my area.
    I'm not a criminology expert, but I think this is worth consideration. Crime is some combination of individual choice + environmental forces at work. I'll let the professors debate that. But here's what I mean...I've seen people litter, run red lights, vandalize, trespass....do all sorts of things in Detroit than they would never do in their home neighborhoods in Grosse Pointe and Troy.

    "It doesn't matter, we're in Detroit" is a phrase that comes to mind.

    As the "criminals" start to flight out of the city and into the burbs, I'm sure there will be an uptick in policing activity. But the antisocial behavior might be curbed because the suburbs have more cops and resources to fight the unwanted activity. And it's very possible that the same persons who would've been vandalizing windows in the city limits would try to do that same stuff in St. Clair Shores and feel the painful arm of the law come down on them for the first time.

    Yeah, I get that it's probably not what you and your community might want to be dealing with. But on the other hand maybe your municipality has the resources to nip this kind of stuff in the bud, before it gets out of hand.

    On the other hand I frequently visit downtown for a show and/or to eat and I have never seen any crime or felt uncomfortable but I know it's happening because I see it reported.
    You probably are safer in the burbs than downtown, but not by that much. According to the map, there were 3 shootings in 48226 in that time period. All were after 12:30 a.m. 2 of them were between people who were in some kind of argument with each other. When you consider that there are 40,000+ seats at Comerica Park + who knows how many thousands of capacity in the casinos, I'd say downtown is pretty safe. And probably comparable with downtowns across the US.

    My old neighborhood and others around it, I'm sorry I can't say the same.

    I find it so unfortunate that the very areas suburban tourists are most likely to frequent are also the very safest, and yet the perception that Detroit is a dangerous place is so pervasive. I've lived downtown now for 3 years and have yet to witness any violence firsthand.

    Then again, I'm not hanging out at clubs a 1:30 a.m. on a Tuesday doing drug deals.

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    What's with the sudden uptick in shootings in Southwest Detroit lately? Is it me or does it seem like more than "normal"?

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    'Safer' has meaning, and weight however, relative to the need for planning a funeral - or not having to do so. Percentages mean something as well, otherwise ignore that 10% off discount the during the next shopping excursion.
    Quote Originally Posted by ferntruth View Post
    Completely safe? no
    Safer? yes

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    Zip code 48205 seems to be most dense for crime [[29 incidences)! This area borders with Harper Woods, part of the Points and Warren.

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