Michigan's unmarried mothers, freep article

**majohnson** · July-06-11, 02:50 PM

http://www.freep.com/article/2011070...en-study-finds

"The Kids Count in Michigan study found that about 40% percent of births in 2009 were to unmarried woman, compared to 34% in 2000 – a 20% increase."

"About half of all births from 2000-09 were to mothers eligible for Medicaid, the government health insurance program for low-income people ..."

"About four of every five births to African-American women were to unmarried mothers, compared to one of every three for white mothers."

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 03:03 PM

And about 99 out of every 100 dollars made went to the 1,000 richest cocksuckers in America.

**majohnson** · July-06-11, 03:24 PM

I am not sure what Detroitnerd sought to communicate with that post.

I intended to spark a conversation about community wide responsibility to educate our sons and sisters, neices and nephews, and our friends about having responsible fun.

Our friends and family are part of those statistics.
America increasingly can't afford to support half of the population with Medicaid just as a substantial percentage of the eligible workforce finds it increasingly straining to support pensioners.

**DetroitPlanner** · July-06-11, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by majohnson

I intended to spark a conversation about community wide responsibility to educate our sons and sisters, neices and nephews, and our friends about having responsible fun.

Our friends and family are part of those statistics.
America increasingly can't afford to support half of the population with Medicaid just as a substantial percentage of the eligible workforce finds it increasingly straining to support pensioners.

What angers me most about the far right and left of this is this exact fact. We can reduce these stats by giving our kids better information about consequences. Kids have no idea about self control, responsibility, or how hard having kids at a young age will make thier lives and impact thier earning potential.

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 03:54 PM

Seriously, though, maybe if we didn't ship every job off to countries where they work for pennies, we would still have jobs here, our idle men would be employed, and therefore would be a benefit to a woman who wants children, instead of a burden.

**rjk** · July-06-11, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner

What angers me most about the far right and left of this is this exact fact. We can reduce these stats by giving our kids better information about consequences. Kids have no idea about self control, responsibility, or how hard having kids at a young age will make thier lives and impact thier earning potential.

As far as having no idea how hard having a kid at a young age is how about they just open their eyes and look around them? It's not like this is a hidden problem, especially in the black community where numbers are approaching 80%. Most kids can observe their friends, neighbors, or maybe even their own mother to see the difficulties of an out of wedlock birth.

**Locke09** · July-06-11, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by majohnson

America increasingly can't afford to support half of the population with Medicaid just as a substantial percentage of the eligible workforce finds it increasingly straining to support pensioners.

Why drag pensioners into this discussion?

Pensioners paid into Medicare all the years they were working. They also paid into Social Security. They also paid, and still pay property taxes for the roads that America still uses, the schools to which Americans still send their young children, etc. Taxes from pensioners were building and protecting this country while the eligible workforce [[myself included of course) was still just a bunch of crumbsnatchers. The difference between me and the rest of the crumbsnatchers though is that I don't resent pensioners - they get what they were promised.

As for unwed mothers, what did we think was going to happen once America, all of America, started its downward spiral? And let's not pretend it's not about the poor. We don't seem to have a problem when rich celebrities have kids out of wedlock.

**rjk** · July-06-11, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Locke09

Why drag pensioners into this discussion?

Pensioners paid into Medicare all the years they were working. They also paid into Social Security. They also paid, and still pay property taxes for the roads that America still uses, the schools to which Americans still send their young children, etc. Taxes from pensioners were building and protecting this country while the eligible workforce [[myself included of course) was still just a bunch of crumbsnatchers. The difference between me and the rest of the crumbsnatchers though is that I don't resent pensioners - they get what they were promised.

As for unwed mothers, what did we think was going to happen once America, all of America, started its downward spiral? And let's not pretend it's not about the poor. We don't seem to have a problem when rich celebrities have kids out of wedlock.

Who's pretending it's not about the poor?

**Locke09** · July-06-11, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by rjk

Who's pretending it's not about the poor?

Post #11, unless I misunderstood it's intent.

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 03:46 PM

America increasingly can't afford to be fleeced of its money by a bunch of rich, criminal, cocksucker bankers. What you get is a few rich cocksuckers and a society that's increasingly destroyed.

Oh, sorry. Too much work? Let's just blame it all on po' folks.

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 03:53 PM

Let's get revenge for those lucky duckies. They obviously chose to be born poor so they could live off our transfer payments!!!

http://www.businessinsider.com/marc-...-people-2011-4

**Autoracks** · July-06-11, 04:11 PM

I've been bored looking at online singles adds on that news site and seen young black women that list their occupation as single mother. Makes me wonder if some of them had the kids intentionally for the state assistance realizing that they had very low to non existent earning potential and consider it a legitimate form of employment.

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Autoracks

I've been bored looking at online singles adds on that news site and seen young black women that list their occupation as single mother. Makes me wonder if some of them had the kids intentionally for the state assistance realizing that they had very low to non existent earning potential and consider it a legitimate form of employment.

Yeah, man. It's totally cushy to be a single, black mother in the United States. Uncle Sam gives you thousands of dollars a week and your own Cadillac. And the schools are free and totally amazing. As for the job prospects, those are stellar too. Damn entitlements!

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 04:17 PM

As for work without pay, mothers of all stripes have been arguing that it's unpaid work for centuries.

**jbd441** · July-06-11, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

As for work without pay, mothers of all stripes have been arguing that it's unpaid work for centuries.

DN, look at the calendar, it's not 1961. You been watching the news lately? What makes you so sure these women even want these kids? Parents have to love their children first and that means actually planning for and caring for them after they are born. It has nothing to do with poor or rich.

To me sterization comes to mind especially to those who abuse, torchure or murder their children. A little barbaric but would solve many problems.

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by jbd441

DN, look at the calendar, it's not 1961.

Thanks for the update.

Originally Posted by jbd441

You been watching the news lately? What makes you so sure these women even want these kids? Parents have to love their children first and that means actually planning for and caring for them after they are born. It has nothing to do with poor or rich.

No, it's just the the rich in this country have [[a) sent your job overseas, [[b) looted the national treasury, which, in turn, guts the ability to pay for social services, education and the common welfare, [[c) love, love, LOVE it when we frame social issues in individual moral terms. That lets them off the hook nicely for their criminal activity.

Originally Posted by jbd441

To me sterization comes to mind especially to those who abuse, torchure or murder their children. A little barbaric but would solve many problems.

How about forced sterilization for criminal, cocksucker, white, rich, upper-class bankers -- followed by public crucifixion?

**stromberg2** · July-06-11, 04:43 PM

Don't forget the $2500 tax credit for every child pumped out!!

Stromberg2

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by stromberg2

Don't forget the $2500 tax credit for every child pumped out!!

Stromberg2

Silly me. I thought that was a benefit only for married white people to milk.

**Alley** · July-06-11, 05:02 PM

This statistic might be drastically different if:
1. having children you can't afford to care for on your own didn't mean you could get more!more!more! for free, easily
2. people were raised/educated to have pride and realize that popping kids out to increase that first of the month check is a pisspoor idea

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Alley

This statistic might be drastically different if:
1. having children you can't afford to care for on your own didn't mean you could get more!more!more! for free, easily
2. people were raised/educated to have pride and realize that popping kids out to increase that first of the month check is a pisspoor idea

Oh, yeah. I've heard this canard before. Oooh, the eagle shits more money every month for every kid I shit out. Don't believe anybody does this. Ever been in the cheese line, Alley? It ain't all that. It ain't free, and it ain't easy, and nobody does it for the money.

**Alley** · July-06-11, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

Oh, yeah. I've heard this canard before. Oooh, the eagle shits more money every month for every kid I shit out. Don't believe anybody does this. Ever been in the cheese line, Alley? It ain't all that. It ain't free, and it ain't easy, and nobody does it for the money.

I've been lucky enough not to need aid, and I'm not making generalizations regarding anyone who has/does, but I KNOW people do this. I'm not claiming they're bright people, but I've heard it directly from their mouths, and have then seen the action to back up the discussion. It happens.

**Detroitnerd** · July-06-11, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Alley

I've been lucky enough not to need aid, and I'm not making generalizations regarding anyone who has/does, but I KNOW people do this. I'm not claiming they're bright people, but I've heard it directly from their mouths, and then seen the action to back up the discussion. It happens.

Yeah, and I know a guy who knows a guy who had his kidney stolen.

Ever get yourself in a bad deal and try to point out a silver lining? I think that's probably more at play here than any grand scheme to get rich by having babies you don't want.

If you're really concerned about people leeching off the government, look no further than Wall Street. Sucking up trillions of dollars so they can go on and do whatever they want -- and they create a whole hell of a lot more damage than 10 milliion single check-cashing mothers ever could. And they HOARD the money they stole. At least single mothers spend it, stimulating the economy and benefiting us in some way.

No, I'm going to say that this whole discussion about single mothers is a bunch of scaremongering nonsense. I'm glad there's a safety net. I respect the single mothers I know. It's a hard job and they get very little help. They should get more.

How about this: Every mother, single or married, should get $1,000 a month regardless of their income. A hell of a lot better than giving trillions over to war and corruption.

**Jimaz** · July-06-11, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

... If you're really concerned about people leeching off the government, look no further than Wall Street. Sucking up trillions of dollars so they can go on and do whatever they want -- and they create a whole hell of a lot more damage than 10 million single check-cashing mothers ever could. And they HOARD the money they stole. At least single mothers spend it, stimulating the economy and benefiting us in some way....

Exactly.

Worrying about the cost of helplessly impoverished mothers is like worrying about whether you turned the pilot light off after your house has already burned down.

Don't let the arsonists of the economy distract you again!

Billionaires Hiding Behind The Hedge

If your job paid $50,000 a year and you stayed at it for 47 years, your tally for a lifetime of work would be $2.4 million. Not bad – but hedge fund hustler John Paulson pulled down that much last year.

Most of us would consider an annual income of $2.4 million to be a windfall, but it didn't take Paulson a full 12 months of work to pocket his windfall – or one month, a week, or even a day. That's how much he made an hour. Yes, Paulson could've worked one single hour in 2010 and hauled off a paycheck equal to what a typical household gets for a lifetime of work.

Did he contribute an equivalent value to the economy to justify that compensation?

Hell, no. These guys deliberately burned the economy to ashes and then collected big bonuses for doing so.

In this matter I have sympathy for, but zero respect for the opinions of, victims of the Stockholm syndrome.

**Detroitej72** · July-07-11, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

If you're really concerned about people leeching off the government, look no further than Wall Street. Sucking up trillions of dollars so they can go on and do whatever they want -- and they create a whole hell of a lot more damage than 10 milliion single check-cashing mothers ever could. And they HOARD the money they stole. At least single mothers spend it, stimulating the economy and benefiting us in some way.

No, I'm going to say that this whole discussion about single mothers is a bunch of scaremongering nonsense. I'm glad there's a safety net.

Nerd, this is one of your best posts ever!

I've been saying this for years, all the money single mothers receive goes right back into the economy. That is certainly a better return of our tax dollars than any war or Wall Street bailout has ever produced.

**rjk** · July-07-11, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

Yeah, and I know a guy who knows a guy who had his kidney stolen.

Ever get yourself in a bad deal and try to point out a silver lining? I think that's probably more at play here than any grand scheme to get rich by having babies you don't want.

If you're really concerned about people leeching off the government, look no further than Wall Street. Sucking up trillions of dollars so they can go on and do whatever they want -- and they create a whole hell of a lot more damage than 10 milliion single check-cashing mothers ever could. And they HOARD the money they stole. At least single mothers spend it, stimulating the economy and benefiting us in some way.

No, I'm going to say that this whole discussion about single mothers is a bunch of scaremongering nonsense. I'm glad there's a safety net. I respect the single mothers I know. It's a hard job and they get very little help. They should get more.

How about this: Every mother, single or married, should get $1,000 a month regardless of their income. A hell of a lot better than giving trillions over to war and corruption.

Yep, they're also helping the economy by creating kids who are more likely to drop out of school and end up in prison as opposed to two-parent households. People will have to buy security doors and bars for their windows, purchase guns for safety, and buy security alarms. Also it's a boon for the prison industry.

The cost of single mothers goes way beyond the monthly check that they recieve from the goverment.