Alberto Gonzales Authorized Torture: NBC

[Detroitej72]

Thats a great argument for listening to NPR. You get the facts, no spin.

[oladub]

Sounds like a crime worth prosecuting. Does Attorney General Holder plan to prosecute or does the admistration intend to become complicit by looking the other way?

[smogboy]

Thats a great argument for listening to NPR. You get the facts, no spin.

I personally don't think there's any spin put on by NPR but for the people that disagree or want to spin it in their own way, they think NPR is a mouthpiece for the left.

I miss the days when there was something akin to a neutral trusted news source. I think NPR comes close but again, someone's liable to disagree with me.

[mjs]

I generally see NPR as a solid neutral news source, but "America Now" is an exception. That wasn't really my point.

My point was that I can't find a single reliable link to confirm this story, not even on NPR itself. It was a criticism on how some people just write things as fact without actually making the effort to prove they know what they're talking about. Some people on here mention a story or fact that others can't read or hear and then claim a nonresponse as some sort of victory. Post a link so everyone can see what you're talking about for crying out loud. It is possible Lorax misunderstood the entire report.

[Big Dog]

Your quote above, "It was a criticism on how some people just write things as fact without actually making the effort to prove they know what they're talking about." Is exactly what Glen Beck admitted doing on his shows. He said he is a commentator and does not check to see what he says is factual or not. So goes his credibility. I think several others on Fux, do likewise.

[Stosh]

A simple Google News search with the terms "Alberto Gonzales" turned up a link to this story:

http://washingtonindependent.com/439...nzales-say-yes
Which had a link to the NPR story:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=104350361

[mjs]

I was hoping to see the thread starter post what he was referring to, but lets assume you guessed right.

First thing I see is an accusation by a terrorists 's attorney, not a judicial finding or even a congressional finding. I think I heard somewhere something about innocent until proven guilty. I've even heard and agreed with arguments that innocent until proven guilty is a reason why torture is banned. "Soufan told senators of describing Zubaydah's treatment to FBI supervisors as "borderline torture"" with borderline defined as "an indeterminate position between two conditions." Furthermore, none of the methods he listed are the "enhanced interrogation methods" described in the memos. Hell, the only listed method thats not common in your local police station is the nudity.

So, we know that CIA talked with Zubaydah's interrogators. I hoped as much since intelligence gathering is the central part of the Central Intelligence Agency. I also hope Bush may have even cared enough to be briefed on it and he may have talked to Gonzales about it. I fail to understand how this lead to a conclusion that "Alberto Gonzales . . . personally authorized waterboarding and other "enhanced interrogation" techniques BEFORE they were allowed to be enacted by the CIA."

This is why I prefer to hear the news itself rather than an editorial of it. Still liking PBS and NPR for stating the facts rather than misleading sensationalized headlines loosely realted to the facts.

[Lorax]

I provided the sources, what's everyone's problem?

Go look it up yourself.

Ari Shapiro broke the story- NPR aired it, all NBC affiliates, including MSNBC devoted time to it.

Why would I bother pulling a Glenda Beck on everyone, you must have me confused with people who work for FUXED NEWS

Oh, and by the way, just because the justice department doesn't act immediately on crimes committed by past administrations, doesn't mean they didn't happen, eventhough we have mountains of evidence proving it.

If Eric Holder chooses not to pursue indictments, then justince is not served. Bush's justice department chose not to prosecute itself- doesn't mean crimes weren't committed.

Politics is the real enemy here, we will self-destruct as a nation from within, no terrorist, no matter how determined will ever bring down this country, we will do it ourselves.

[mjs]

I provided the sources, what's everyone's problem?

This is a source that can be found and discussed: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=104350361
This is not: NBC news./ Ari Shapiro for NPR.

Go look it up yourself.

It was your thread! You really believe you have no obligation to look it up before referencing it? Haven't any teachers ever called you on this? I tried to look it up and didn't find anything that seemed to say what you had said the story stated.

Oh, and by the way, just because the justice department doesn't act immediately on crimes committed by past administrations, doesn't mean they didn't happen. . .

Bush's justice department chose not to prosecute itself- doesn't mean crimes weren't committed.

I agree 100% percent but I fail to understand how it proves that crimes were commited or that "Alberto Gonzales . . . personally authorized waterboarding and other "enhanced interrogation" techniques BEFORE they were allowed to be enacted by the CIA."

[mjs]

Why would I bother pulling a Glenda Beck on everyone, you must have me confused with people who work for FUXED NEWS.

I have no idea why you would pull a Glenn Beck. I do know I consider one man's factless commentary as bad as another's and lose respect for the neutrality of anyone that bases their arguments on name calling.