Jack Kevorkian dead

[Maof]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/03...evorkian-dead/

[Meddle]

A true American hero.

[downtownguy]

Ahead of his time. Some day, society will catch up.

[xphillipjrx]

I saw him years ago at the Belle Tire on Orchard Lake and Maple getting a new tire for his VW bus.

[Detroitnerd]

Did he have any "help"?

[Detroitej72]

Say what you will about the man, I never met anyone who didn't have an opinion about him.

[13074Glenfield]

Kevorkian was a monster. A study of 69 of his victims found that 75% were NOT terminally ill and 5 were found to have not illness whatsoever. Kevorkian primarily preyed on single and divorced women suffering from depression. He killed over 100 people. A hero? He was a mass murderer.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94765&page=1

[MizMotown]

lol... gee I think maybe there is evidence on both sides that could possibly dispute your opinion... the best response would be I'm not going to judge Jack because I don't have ALL the facts, more personal opinon.

Kevorkian’s attorney, Mayer Morganroth, dismissed the study.

“All they’re doing is repeating allegations made by the pro-life people,” he told Reuters. “They’re not really of any real substance, and they’re not really accurate or true.”

Kevorkian Attorney Dismissed Study


He also attacked the authors, pointing out that Roscoe and another person involved were not medical doctors, and that a third person involved, Oakland County medical examiner L.J. Dragovic, had testified numerous times against Kevorkian and the two men were “bitter enemies.”
“Anything [Dragovic] says has to be discounted,” Morganroth said.
Morganroth questioned how the team was able to study 69 deaths when few of the people Kevorkian has helped have been identified.
“I don’t know how they got 69 [people] because it just so happens they don’t know who most of them are,” he said. “That already destroys their credibility because I don’t think anybody has the names of more than 15.”
The study’s findings seemed to suggest divorcees or people who had never married were more likely to turn to doctor-assisted suicide in the absence of safeguards.
Roscoe and her colleagues said “persons who were divorced or had never married were overrepresented among those who died with Kevorkian’s help, suggesting the need for a better understanding of the familial and psychosocial context of decision making at the end of life

[13074Glenfield]

lol... gee I think maybe there is evidence on both sides that could possibly dispute your opinion... the best response would be I'm not going to judge Jack because I don't have ALL the facts, more personal opinon.

Kevorkian’s attorney, Mayer Morganroth, dismissed the study.

“All they’re doing is repeating allegations made by the pro-life people,” he told Reuters. “They’re not really of any real substance, and they’re not really accurate or true.”

Kevorkian Attorney Dismissed Study


He also attacked the authors, pointing out that Roscoe and another person involved were not medical doctors, and that a third person involved, Oakland County medical examiner L.J. Dragovic, had testified numerous times against Kevorkian and the two men were “bitter enemies.”
“Anything [Dragovic] says has to be discounted,” Morganroth said.
Morganroth questioned how the team was able to study 69 deaths when few of the people Kevorkian has helped have been identified.
“I don’t know how they got 69 [people] because it just so happens they don’t know who most of them are,” he said. “That already destroys their credibility because I don’t think anybody has the names of more than 15.”
The study’s findings seemed to suggest divorcees or people who had never married were more likely to turn to doctor-assisted suicide in the absence of safeguards.
Roscoe and her colleagues said “persons who were divorced or had never married were overrepresented among those who died with Kevorkian’s help, suggesting the need for a better understanding of the familial and psychosocial context of decision making at the end of life

Yes, his attorney would be a very impartial source. Hah! Let's look at one statement the attorney made:

“I don’t know how they got 69 [people] because it just so happens they don’t know who most of them are,” he said. “That already destroys their credibility because I don’t think anybody has the names of more than 15.”

Now, look at this list and tell me whose credibility is destroyed.

http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org...rkian-victims/

I call someone who killed over 100 innocent people a mass murderer. If you want to try to justify it, that's your issue.

[1KielsonDrive]

Kevorkian was a monster. A study of 69 of his victims found that 75% were NOT terminally ill and 5 were found to have not illness whatsoever. Kevorkian primarily preyed on single and divorced women suffering from depression. He killed over 100 people. A hero? He was a mass murderer.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94765&page=1

You must be a devout christian.

[1KielsonDrive]

Kevorkian was a monster. A study of 69 of his victims found that 75% were NOT terminally ill and 5 were found to have not illness whatsoever. Kevorkian primarily preyed on single and divorced women suffering from depression. He killed over 100 people. A hero? He was a mass murderer.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94765&page=1

I obviously don't agree with your take, but just to expand the debate a bit - christians and religious people never killed anyone? Never aided and abetted? What's your take on capital punishment? War? Cruise missiles? Denying medical coverage? Hmmmm......

[Meddle]

Remember, in the religious world where the belief is that 'God' knows all and does all, 'God' kills all living things whether they want to die or not.

[Danny]

Ding Dong, Dr. Death is Dead!

[Dr. Emil]

Kevorkian was a monster. A study of 69 of his victims found that 75% were NOT terminally ill and 5 were found to have not illness whatsoever. Kevorkian primarily preyed on single and divorced women suffering from depression. He killed over 100 people. A hero? He was a mass murderer.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94765&page=1

Do you believe that people have an inherent right to determine when to end their own life? A simple yes or no will suffice.

[1KielsonDrive]

Do you believe that people have an inherent right to determine when to end their own life? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Yes!!!!!!!

[MizMotown]

judgement - an opinion formed by judging something; "he was reluctant to make his judgment known";

[Meddle]

If you want to try to justify it, that's your issue.

You can't kill someone who wants to die. His patients sought out his caring aide and support.

[13074Glenfield]

You can't kill someone who wants to die.

Really? How about suicide by cop? The difference being that the cops are unwilling participants protecting themselves and Kevorkian was a willing killer. Assisted suicide must not have been all it was cracked up to be. I note that despite his terminal cancer, Kevorkian didn't choose it for himself.

[adamjab19]

Really? How about suicide by cop? The difference being that the cops are unwilling participants protecting themselves and Kevorkian was a willing killer. Assisted suicide must not have been all it was cracked up to be. I note that despite his terminal cancer, Kevorkian didn't choose it for himself.

So by this logic anyone with a terminal illness should just go ahead with an assisted suicide? Even the person that does it to others? Some choose to fight, some choose to go through the pain, some choose to live based on faith of a better day maybe, and some chose to call Jack. Let others do what they want, not what you think they should be doing.

You could, of course, nit pick each of his "cases" but in the end his patients chose to pull the cord. More than his assisted suicide issue, his issue was for a patient, a human being, to have a CHOICE.

[jackie5275]

Something I could never figure out was that if guy was a doctor, why didn't he have an office to perform these procedures? He was performing these in the back of his van & in cabins in county parks. I don't understand the thought behind these primitive, compared to a medical office, locations. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

[13074Glenfield]

Something I could never figure out was that if guy was a doctor, why didn't he have an office to perform these procedures? He was performing these in the back of his van & in cabins in county parks. I don't understand the thought behind these primitive, compared to a medical office, locations. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Kevorkian was not a medical doctor. He was a retired pathologist. That Kevorkian was a madman is really beyond question. A Hollywood movie obscured his true motivation for assisting with suicides and, as a result, his motives are terribly misunderstood. Read his own words and decide whether or not he was a madman.

Kevorkian explained his motives in his 1991 book Prescription: Medicide: The Goodness of Planned Death. On page 214 he admitted that assisting "suffering or doomed persons kill themselves" was "merely the first step, an early distasteful professional obligation.…What I find most satisfying," he wrote, "is the prospect of making possible the performance of invaluable experiments or other beneficial medical acts under conditions that this first unpleasant step can help establish — in a word obitiatry." [[Obitiary was his term for conducting autopsies on living human beings. Remember, he was a pathologist.)

Why conduct invasive experiments on people being euthanized? On page 34, he expressed an intense desire to "study all parts of the intact, living brain." Why? On page 243, Kevorkian explained.

“If we are ever to penetrate the mystery of death — even superficially — it will have to be through obitiatry...Knowledge about the essence of human death will of necessity require insight into the nature of the unique awareness or consciousness that characterizes cognitive human life. That is possible only through obitiatric research on living human bodies, and most likely by concentrating on the central nervous system...to pinpoint the exact onset of extinction of an unknown cognitive mechanism that energizes life.”

Kevorkian’s motives, far from helping the terminally ill escape their suffering, was to be able to conduct autopsies on living human beings before putting them to death. He was fascinated with the idea that by experimenting on living human beings, he could determine the exact mechanism of death. This is truly the product of a sick mind.

[alkiwat]

I believe a pathologist is an MD -- Same training and amount of time -- I thought he had a medical license [albeit he hadn't practiced in years] -- I may be wrong

[Detroitej72]

Something I could never figure out was that if guy was a doctor, why didn't he have an office to perform these procedures?.

He was retired.

[Meddle]

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

It had to do with persecution by the State.

[Meddle]

That Kevorkian was a madman is really beyond question.

True, he may have the most sane, ethical, moral person of modern times.