Where to Put Gitmo Prisoners...

[mjs]

"Sticking a feather up your but DOES NOT make you a chicken!"- Fight Club

[rb336]

I know --

instead of closing Gitmo, let's open it -- a nice little gate to Cuba and let Raoul deal with them

[Detroitej72]

I've yet to see a right winger offer up one solution as to where to put these prisoners. All they say is how the terrorists will be setting up a tent on the front lawn of our schools, trying to recruit new members. Again, they just try to play to people's fears, never really solving the problem that they, themselves have created in the first place.

[ccbatson]

Correct, many were not soldiers [[maybe none were)...that is my point.

[ccbatson]

They were mostly violent terrorists [[and combatants) intent on killing westerners.

[ccbatson]

The US military personnel that took them into custody after being shot at by them.

[rb336]

Untrue for a number of cases, which is why they have already released so many. The fact is, you don't know who these people are or who they aren't, you are just told to "trust us" from the same people who have already made mistakes.

not so much "made mistakes" as lied to us and set this whole thing up in a very deliberate scheme to do an end-run around international law AND our constitution. The people who set this up SHOULD by tried for treason, and if found guilty, given the proper death sentence

[Pam]

I've yet to see a right winger offer up one solution as to where to put these prisoners

I think CC has got some room in his basement.

[Det_ard]

Thank God Obama is going to shut down Gitmo [[and start up Gitmo 2.0 somewhere else), end military commissions [[and replace them with more military commissions) and has a well-thought-out plan for all this [[just like the legislature in MI did when they eliminated the business tax before figuring out how to replace the revenue).

Well done sir!

[ccbatson]

Our constitution doesn't apply to enemy combatants. Has anyone provided proof of soldiers indiscriminately invading homes of innocent people and taking them into custody? If so, why haven't we seen/heard/or read about it?

Now that Obama is all for the same approaches, do liberals think it is a good idea?

Hypocritical, no?

[rb336]

Our constitution doesn't apply to enemy combatants. Has anyone provided proof of soldiers indiscriminately invading homes of innocent people and taking them into custody? If so, why haven't we seen/heard/or read about it?

Now that Obama is all for the same approaches, do liberals think it is a good idea?

Hypocritical, no?

Our constitution applies to all, citizen or not. where do you get the, as usual, mistaken idea it doesn't?

[jams]

So where in the Constitution is "enemy combatants" defined?

It is a bullshit term, dug up by Bush-Cheney to validate their violation of International treaties and laws.

Orwellianism in reality.

[mjs]

Has anyone provided proof of soldiers indiscriminately invading homes of innocent people and taking them into custody? If so, why haven't we seen/heard/or read about it?

Good try, but who said indiscriminantly? We said unjustifiably. A cop runs drug raids based on claims from smacking around random mumbling bums. Thats unjustifiable. A cop runs drug raids on every house on the block. Thats indisciminate.

You heard of unjustifiable detentions on this thread. Defense Intelligence reported that of the 530 detainees we didn't have evidence to charge with a crime, 95% still can't be convicted of terrorist activities and 86% aren't even suspect. If we released them after a prolonged detention, the prolonged detention couldn't have been justified.

Is former POW John McCain qualified to speak on detention, torture, and where America should stand on it?
http://www.newsweek.com/id/51200/page/1

[Linda from Detroit]

I live just a few miles from a max security federal prison and escapes are pretty rare. They have huge horns that go off so that the people in the area are alerted. The thing that concerns me at the Gitmo guys is that prisons are ripe for all kinds of recruits. After all, the people in there aren't exactly nice guys that happened to cheat a little on their taxes or littered once too often.

[Jimaz]

From today's DetroitNews:

Montana town seeks Gitmo prisoners: Empty $27M jail awaits

On Capitol Hill, politicians are dead-set against transferring some of the world's most feared terrorists from Guantanamo to prisons on U.S. soil. But at City Hall in this impoverished town on the northern Plains, the attitude is: Bring 'em on.

Hardin, a dusty town of 3,400 people so desperate that it built a $27 million jail a couple of years ago in the vain hope it would be a moneymaker, is offering to house hundreds of Gitmo detainees at the empty, never-used facility.

[jams]

According to data provided by Traci L. Billingsley, spokeswoman for the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, federal facilities on American soil currently house 216 international terrorists and 139 domestic terrorists. Some of these miscreants have been locked up here since the early 1990s. None of them has escaped. At the most secure prisons, nobody has ever escaped, period.

http://www.slate.com/id/2219268/

[mjs]

But, hasn't that made our prisons ripe for recruits into terrorism? [[Sarcasm)

[jams]

Do you mean prisoners who are delighted with their treatment?

[firstandten]

I live just a few miles from a max security federal prison and escapes are pretty rare. They have huge horns that go off so that the people in the area are alerted. The thing that concerns me at the Gitmo guys is that prisons are ripe for all kinds of recruits. After all, the people in there aren't exactly nice guys that happened to cheat a little on their taxes or littered once too often.

Funny thing is the "club Fed" type prisions that the income tax cheats and white collar criminals go are actually pretty good by prision standards. I don't think however you want to go anywhere near a "supermax" type of facility.

"Supermax" is short for "super-maximum security." It is a
place designed to house violent prisoners or prisoners who might
threaten the security of the guards or other prisoners. Some
prisons that are not designed as supermax prisons have "control
units" in which conditions are similar. The theory is that
solitary confinement and sensory deprivation will bring about
"behavior modification."

In general. Supermax prisoners are locked into small cells
for approximately 23 hours a day. They have almost no contact
with other human beings.
There are no group activities: no work, no educational
opportunities, no eating together, no sports, no getting together
with other people for religious services, and no attempts at
rehabilitation.
There are no contact visits: prisoners sit behind a
plexiglass window. Phone calls and visitation privileges are
strictly limited. Books and magazines may be denied and pens
restricted. TV and radios may be prohibited or, if allowed, are
controlled by guards.
Prisoners have little or no personal privacy. Guards
monitor the inmates' movements by video cameras. Communication
between prisoners and control booth officers is mostly through
speakers and microphones. An officer at a control center may be
able to monitor cells and corridors and control all doors
electronically.
Typically, the cells have no windows. Lights are controlled
by guards who may leave them on night and day. For exercise
there is usually only a room with high concrete walls and a chin-up bar. Showers may be limited to three per week for not more
than ten minutes.
"Prisoners are confined to a concrete world in which they
never see a blade of grass, earth, trees or any part of the
natural world".


Thats why I said in previous posts that prisioners have a better chance of getting mentally ill than they do escaping.

[Blarf]

If we are going to keep them locked up, than actually charge them with something and give them their trial. If they are found guilty, keep them locked up. If they are found not guilty, let them go. Problem solved.

[firstandten]

If we are going to keep them locked up, than actually charge them with something and give them their trial. If they are found guilty, keep them locked up. If they are found not guilty, let them go. Problem solved.

We wish it were that simple, review the thread for some of the problems

[ccbatson]

In your back yard Blarf?

[rb336]

in any of a number of supermax facilities. have you not been paying attention?

[ccbatson]

After they are found guilty....what if they get off on a technicality?

[mjs]

Innocence isn't a technicality.