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  1. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    You brought up 9/11. I'm fine with sticking to...

    You brought up 9/11. I'm fine with sticking to the facts at hand that are actually relevant to this particular issue.

    I'm sorry you lost people close to you on that day. I'm also sorry you lost...
  2. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    "Here" in the context of the case being...

    "Here" in the context of the case being discussed, which is in NYC. But the racial makeup of a police department has no real bearing on how I feel when they abuse their power.



    In what way was...
  3. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    It's absolutely not a cause for celebration. All...

    It's absolutely not a cause for celebration. All of the reporting on this story seems to indicate that the NYPD was slow to respond to this complaint, and reluctant to address previous complaints...
  4. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    How is tackling an innocent person, with zero...

    How is tackling an innocent person, with zero provocation, for resembling another innocent person a reasonable way to control crime in any way?



    Where did he say this? I'm having a hard time...
  5. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    Let me get this straight - you think it's...

    Let me get this straight - you think it's perfectly OK for a non-uniformed police officer to tackle a civilian, who is just standing next to a building and not doing anything, to not identify himself...
  6. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    How do the numbers support your position? You...

    How do the numbers support your position? You haven't even attempted to explain that. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. If you think the numbers support your...
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    Right. Those requirements would make it tough for...

    Right. Those requirements would make it tough for a single person to afford the asking price, but a couple or a family of three would probably be able to manage it at those income levels. And it's a...
  8. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    No, the article is not baseless. Your own...

    No, the article is not baseless. Your own speculation based on the limited statistical information in the article is what's baseless. And it's even more baseless when those numbers are put into...
  9. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    I'm not just waiting for more evidence to emerge....

    I'm not just waiting for more evidence to emerge. I'm waiting for somebody to present it. If there was a broad, nationwide crime wave underway, the numbers we already have would indicate as much....
  10. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    I'm directly addressing the numbers. What about...

    I'm directly addressing the numbers. What about them have I gotten incorrect?



    How many is "a large number" of cities? You're going to need to be specific, because every source I've been able...
  11. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    And they're only comparing this year to last...

    And they're only comparing this year to last year. Comparing one year to the previous year is never enough to indicate a trend. Ever. No statistician worth their salt would ever imply a trend with...
  12. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    I've presented as much information as I've been...

    I've presented as much information as I've been able to find. Regardless of who put together the reports and made the graphs, the data itself is directly from the FBI and local police agencies:...
  13. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    "The Sentencing Project works for a fair and...

    "The Sentencing Project works for a fair and effective U.S. criminal justice system by promoting reforms in sentencing policy, addressing unjust racial disparities and practices, and advocating for...
  14. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    They are absoluteley saying there is no Fergusen...

    They are absoluteley saying there is no Fergusen Effect:
    https://twitter.com/SentencingProj/status/639084617706835968



    The concern is that the violence is real and affects people. That...
  15. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    First, it's not about "defending themselves."...

    First, it's not about "defending themselves." It's about accountability. You really don't think it's a problem that the entire justice system gives certain people special treatment just for wearing a...
  16. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    No, the specific problem is in how cases...

    No, the specific problem is in how cases involving police officers are treated completely different from every other case.
    ...
  17. Thread: Ferguson Effect?

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    There is no Ferguson Effect: ...

    There is no Ferguson Effect:

    http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/inc_Ferguson_Effect.pdf

    https://storify.com/davidminbklyn/as-2014-ends-crime-rates-in-perspective
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    Not necessarily; Portland's system does exactly...

    Not necessarily; Portland's system does exactly that with light rail trains. Lots of streetcar systems in Europe also run in their own right of way. It'll run basically anywhere you can lay tracks.
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    If there is ever another light rail line built, I...

    If there is ever another light rail line built, I think this would actually make a lot of sense to do next. I can understand the argument for BRT on other corridors [[even though I'm biased towards...
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    I had a feeling that was a factor. I knew the...

    I had a feeling that was a factor. I knew the tracks were privately owned, just wasn't sure how invested they were in keeping transit away. Obviously they're looking out for their bottom line.


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    Yeah, the rails are along the curb on those...

    Yeah, the rails are along the curb on those overpasses, but you can't park on those bridges in the first place. Take a look at some of the other places where the rails are already in - there's lots...
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    Got it, thanks for the clarification. And I...

    Got it, thanks for the clarification. And I agree, it still doesn't inspire confidence that it will be well implemented. For truly effective BRT, it's my understanding you need to really invest in...
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    A recommendation doesn't sound like much of a...

    A recommendation doesn't sound like much of a commitment to me [[yet). Not that those in charge aren't totally set on it, but it sounds like they still need to do environmental & engineering studies,...
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    I think it's been "decided" in the sense that...

    I think it's been "decided" in the sense that it's what the RTA intends to do, but I don't think there's been anything concrete beyond initial planning and analysis. If I recall they singled out...
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    Maybe, but even a line from Downtown to 8 Mile...

    Maybe, but even a line from Downtown to 8 Mile wouldn't be that long compared to other systems. Yeah, train frequency is important, but so is ease of use - especially for a population largely...
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