Terror raid in Dearborn, Detroit

[Farrer]

Where is Osama Bin Laden?

[ggores]

Remember, with the election of Boract Obomba, the word "terror", "terrorist", or "terrorisim" is strictly prohibited. However, the first cousins of the 4th Reicht are huge in numbers, and who knows what else lurks under the surface.

In all actuality, this event goes to show how Law Enforcement.... the Federal type.... well... it was an easy bust and them boys got to have them a good old-fashioned shoot out. Urban style. Yay for them.

[Johnlodge]

It's nice to know the bulk of the concern here ad DYes is whether the adjectives being used to describe the guy who told his followers to hate America, arm themselves and shoot police are offensive or not. I'm typically pretty liberal on social issues, but you make me want to turn on Rush Blowhard or something.

Abdullah told his followers it is their duty to oppose the FBI and the government and it does not matter if they die," FBI agent Gary Leone said in an affidavit unsealed today. "He also told the group that they need to plan to do something."

Authorities said he refused to surrender, opened fire and then died in a shootout in which an FBI dog also was killed.

The U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI in Detroit unsealed a 43-page document describing a sinister, radical fundamentalist group headed by Abdullah. The document notes conversations he had with undercover agents and federal informants that ranged from talking about attacking Super Bowl XL in Detroit to blowing himself up as a final act of courage.

"If they are coming to get to me, I'll just strap a bomb on and blow up everybody," he said in a March 21, 2008, conversation.

Sorry if I don't shed a tear.

http://www.freep.com/article/2009102...rborn--Detroit

[detroitbred]

Right you are Johnlodge...the focus of this thread is in entirely the wrong place. These are bad, dangerous dudes. I don't give a rats ass what adjectives are being used.....glad they are being rounded up. Sorry about the canine getting shot...not sorry about the leader who drew down on the officers.

[mrrichard]

We must be nice to Muslims, we cannot use the politically incorrect word, terrorist, or they may get upset at the US and cause justifiable violence because the US people do not respect their religion, remember.

"Where is Osama Bin Laden?"

I wish I knew, I could become an instant multi-millionaire.

Now the administration wants to give US TAXPAYER MONEY TO TALIBAN TERRORISTS
so they might stop blowing themselves up in public places or buildings.
The Administration does not understand that one of the highest honors an Islamic clan member can pay is to honor the clan they belong to.
They cannot use social engineering on these Muslims

[RealityCheck]

Over at Time's so-called Detroit Blog, Darrell Dawsey frames this topic from the frank, clear-eyed perspective of someone dismayed by fellow African Americans who "keep on swallowing snake oil and wackiness."

Despite the breathless accounts of shock that a group of black religious separatists is out there, anybody who grew up in any sizable African-American community knows folks like Abdullah have always been around -- and are often viewed as purveyors of a sort of black political consciousness.

. . . We're running around trying to establish spiritual kinship with ass-backwards Saudis hiding in mountain ranges when we need to be figuring out how to create jobs, rebuild our neighborhoods and educate our children. We need more science and math, but we keep issuing more directives from ancient books. While the world moves further into a 21st-Century economy, we hold fast to Dark Ages balderdash.

. . . [It shows] how anger unchecked by reason can lead us so tragically astray. It represents the point where the pain of racism and violence and poverty in our communities begin to overwhelm good reason and where the grasping desperation leads to the embrace of ideas that lead us down dead-end paths.

Perhaps in some ways, it's no different than the white kid who turns to skinhead Christianism -- except our community doesn't have the same margin for error.

[One Shot]

Does it matter what race they actually were? Face the facts too that MOST muslims ARE in fact of arab decent. MOST of these religious radicals are OFTEN muslims. Thats my take!

[RealityCheck]

MOST muslims ARE in fact of arab decent.

Better reload, One Shot. You missed.

Indonesia has 202.8 million Muslims, the world's largest Muslim population in one country. India is 2nd with 160 million.

The Asia-Pacific region overall has 972,537,000 Muslim residents, more than three times as many as in the Middle East/North Africa [[315,322,000).

Islam is the world's second largest religion after Christianity, according to a 2009 demographic study there are 1.57 billion adherents, comprising 23% of the world population. Islam is the predominant religion in the Middle East, in northern half of Africa and in some parts of Asia. Large communities are also found in China, Eastern Europe and Russia. There are also large Muslim immigrant communities in other parts of the world, such as Western Europe, where Islam is the second largest religion after Christianity.

-- Wikipedia

[Locke09]

Remove religion from the mix and people will find other ideologies to justify their paranoia, greed, anti-socialism, etc. Or, they will make one up and deliver it as a Manifesto.

The Unabomber wasn't religious, was he? He was a mathematician and highly intellectual. Books from the Dark Ages is not responsible for these people. Psychotic minds have always existed and always will. Unfortunately they are capable of dragging others into their psychosis.

[mrrichard]

Detroit is full of terrorist thugs terrorizing neighborhoods in every area of Detroit.
They should be recognized as terrorists and put in prison for life imo.

I wonder if they might have gone up to the Standish prison and held hostage kids in a school or something like that if the Guantanamo terrorists were ever located up there.
It could very well happen if the terrorists are transferred up there and are relegated US freedoms.

These terrorists are coming straight out of the Black Panther book on civil disobedience.
Louis Farrakhan has stated that "White people are potential humans…they haven’t evolved yet.

[jt1]

Detroit is full of terrorist thugs terrorizing neighborhoods in every area of Detroit.
They should be recognized as terrorists and put in prison for life imo.

I wonder if they might have gone up to the Standish prison and held hostage kids in a school or something like that if the Guantanamo terrorists were ever located up there.
It could very well happen if the terrorists are transferred up there and are relegated US freedoms.

These terrorists are coming straight out of the Black Panther book on civil disobedience.
Louis Farrakhan has stated that "White people are potential humans…they haven’t evolved yet.

Exactly right. The gang bangers, thugs, dealers, lowlife criminals, etc are a much bigger threat to all of our daily lives [[in Detroit and throuhgout the country).

We should focus homeland security on taking down our domestic terrorists before spending billions to prevent something that may happen one day.

Let's stop what is happening here everyday.

[Danny]

Well folks, we all know that Metro-Detroit [[especially Dearborn) has over 370,000 Arabs both Muslims and Christians. The Dept of Homeland Security has been watching those Arab communities for some time. Only they have to do is wait for the terrorist connection to leak and we got them.

Not just fewer Arab Muslims who doing the terror, but the black Muslims, too.

[stasu1213]

I don't care what race a terrorist belong to I want to see them put under the jail cell. Americans should be more alert as we were just after 9/11. We need to put an end to potential acts done by nut cases like these.

[barnesfoto]

"Now the administration wants to give US TAXPAYER MONEY TO TALIBAN TERRORISTS"

Thanks for the laugh. Great example of the amnesia of the fright wing. When a sick cult like the GOP keeps constantly shifting it's villians, it can be terribly difficult to keep track of them all.
Seems like only yesterday, Radical Muslims, General Noriega and Saddam Huessein were our allies in the fight against communism.

It was the Reagan Administration who sent millions of dollars of our tax dollars to so-called Afghani "Freedom Fighters or "The moral equivalent of our founding fathers".
[[Today we call them terrorist or Islamic Extremists) in Afghanistan.
Over a quarter of a century ago..In the name of "fighting communism" our tax dollars funded terrorists like OBL and Gulbuddin Hekmaytr. Sure, Gubuddin threw acid in the faces of a few unveiled girls, but he was an ernest anti-communist...

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/24870.html

These guys are really an odd fringe group of afro-fascist thugs, but that term doesn't really scare people. Whoo, they are a terrorist group, but yet lost their space for not paying taxes!

[[They must be too much of a fringe group for our friends the Saudis to send funds to.)

Just keep calling them them Muslims, it will boot ratings!.

But..why are the teenage-girl porking polygamists on trial in Texas never referred to as "Christians"?

" The gang bangers, thugs, dealers, lowlife criminals, etc are a much bigger threat to all of our daily lives [[in Detroit and throughout the country).

Thank you. One of the greatest weapons against such people is education, and if you didn't notice funding for education is being cut everywhere. Meanwhile, our troops are following the footprints of Soviet ghosts in Afghanistan.

[sumas]

I do not have much use for hate mongers of any race or religion. I mourn for the poor police dog that was killed.

[gnome]

One of the guys, Gary Porter, was a teacher at A.I. Holmes elemetery. Does anyone remember meeting this guy? He certainly was within our circle of knowablity.

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[Sstashmoo]

Barnes, great post.

[redfordman]

Send them to jail? What for? they will just be recycled back into society! Want to shoot it out with the FBI or any other law enforcement agency, expect to die!

Problem these days is way too much political correctness and not enough good ole discipline. When I went to school you addressed your elders as Ma'am or Sir. If you were doing something in school you shouldn't have been doing you got your knuckles whacked with a ruler or worse sent to the principal who had a wooden paddle waiting for you. When you got home, you got it again from your dad when he got home from work.

Way too many people using religion as an excuse these day! It's all cow puckey!

[Danny]

Send them to jail? What for? they will just be recycled back into society! Want to shoot it out with the FBI or any other law enforcement agency, expect to die!

Problem these days is way too much political correctness and not enough good ole discipline. When I went to school you addressed your elders as Ma'am or Sir. If you were doing something in school you shouldn't have been doing you got your knuckles whacked with a ruler or worse sent to the principal who had a wooden paddle waiting for you. When you got home, you got it again from your dad when he got home from work.

Way too many people using religion as an excuse these day! It's all cow puckey!

Society these days are not a utopian perfection. Just structured with a balance of power. Muslim terrorism exists because most nations of the world have bother their holy deserts for the OIL! What the terrorists wants is leave their holy deserts alone, kick the Jews out of the holy land and create their Islamic Empire that will be ruled the republican styled male government; where all Muslim women will have to wear their veils that cover the entire faces and follow a super strict Muslim law that requires impaled punishment if the women break their laws.

[Detroitej72]

Anyone caught plotting against the government should be tried for treason and executed. And we need to drop the PC nonsense and call them what they are: terrorists.

R.I.P. for the police dog, burn in hell for the terrorist.

[detroitbred]

Sumas, I mourn the dog's loss as well. My brother in law was an MSP canine officer for many years. Those dogs are more than just a partner, they are a part of the officer's family, live with them, play with their children, etc. It is a heartbreaking loss for the officer and his family I'm sure. No sympathy for that evil man whatsoever. Hopefully they will all be rounded up before the next officer to die in the line of duty is 2 legged instead of 4.