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    Seeing an opportunity to bring organized crime to Detroit, Francis X. Martel of the Detroit Federation of Labor asked Chicagoan Ben Abrams to establish a cleaner’s organization that could be used as a front for the Purple Gang. Abrams founded the Wholesale Cleaners and Dyers Association, which pledged to stabilize the market by controlling prices and prevent tailors from switching cleaning companies without cause. Before returning to Chicago, Abrams named Charles Jacoby Jr. as the president of the new association. Jacoby was the brother-in-law of Abe Burnstein, who with his brothers formed the core of the Purple Gang.

    https://detroithistorical.org/learn/...-and-dyers-war

    Its not my reading comprehension,you are confusing two different methods of exploiting companies and workers.

    They made money on setting up a co-op of sorts where you can price fix and force the companies to join in order to control.

    But you cannot do that with out leverage,they tried using fear as a leverage,they would not be calling themselves the Detroit Federation Of Labor or ask Ben Abrams to establish an organization.

    To prevent tailors from switching companies without cause - you can call it what you like but they formed a union and was using the labor force as leverage instead of violence because they wanted to have the credibility to use it as a front.

    They would not had to have done none of that,they could have just forced the business to pay protection money.

    It was no different the how the mob was tied to the unions for the next 90 years and could possibly be the same as it is today.

    They would not have just been exploiting the businesses,they would have formed the union so they could also exploit the workers,why would they leave money on the table and why would they have had to ask the Chicago outfit to show them how to do it,maybe because they were already doing it in Chicago.

    The purple gang was not mobsters,they started out as thieves robbing bootleggers as they landed back on shore from Canada and candy stores,at best they were a bunch of thugs that was in the right place in time and had to ask Chicago and the Italians how to be a mobster,but even at that they were careless and reckless which is what brought them down.

    It does not take a genius to walk into a store and say pay me $50 every week or I will blow your store up.

    But that is why they call them a gang,no different then the bloods or crips,just on a smaller scale.

    You keep calling them a cartel,they were not a cartel.

    Years ago we formed a “cartel” in the auto salvage business,we all put money in the pot and bought up salvage vehicles and prevented the competition from buying,because we could pay more.

    Nobody was forced to join and we did not threaten anybody,did not need to.

    That method has never been illegal,you can argue it is immoral,but to this day it is common practice to buy up all the competition in order to gain market share and control prices.

    Standard oil did it back them,The Chinese do it today.

    So what they were doing already in forming the cartel was not illegal in it self,it was the methods that they used,but in order to use it as a front,they could not be blowing things up,so they asked Chicago to show them how to use the labor force as in a union to force the companies to pay.

    So they were able to double dip,forcing companies to pay to join the cartel and forcing the union members to pay dues,it was legal and could be used as a front.

    it’s not reading comprehension,you just do not understand how it works and the only thing you have is the reading part which tells you what happened but not the how and why.

    That’s book smarts without the ability to apply it in real life.

    Short of that,maybe take the time to read the files in their entirety that was posted at the beginning.

    But that was probably another TLDR for you,you need pictures and things that are small words and just a couple to comprehend without being overwhelmed.
    Last edited by Richard; March-26-24 at 11:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    You keep calling them a cartel, they were not a cartel.
    Cartel - Wikipedia

    P.S. You're so dense, I'm done discussing this with you except to note that the Detroit Federation of Labor was a labor federation while the Wholesale Cleaners and Dyers Association was a compulsory cartel. Previously linked documents and videos identify a dozen participating businesses.

    God, you're dumb as a stump. Darwin suggests that stupid people often don't survive to pass their genes down in adulthood. Please for the good of the species neuter yourself.

    On the Origin of Species By Means of Natural Selection by Charles Darwin | Project Gutenberg
    Last edited by Henry Whalley; March-27-24 at 04:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    Cartel - Wikipedia

    P.S. You're so dense, I'm done discussing this with you except to note that the Detroit Federation of Labor was a labor federation while the Wholesale Cleaners and Dyers Association was a compulsory cartel. Previously linked documents and videos identify a dozen participating businesses.

    God, you're dumb as a stump. Darwin suggests that stupid people often don't survive to pass their genes down in adulthood. Please for the good of the species neuter yourself.

    On the Origin of Species By Means of Natural Selection by Charles Darwin | Project Gutenberg

    jcole / Cartel is a group of companies joined to price fix, etc

    Union is a group of employees that group together to protect themselves against the company.

    Fairly simple.

    That’s right. There are anti-collusion laws directed to break up monopolies, trusts and cartels. They have been on the books for a long time in the US. These are all the results of colluding or aggressive business entities, or criminal entities. To liken them to Labour Unions is preposterous but what do you expect from Dick? Labour unions are their own animal, not defending all that they are, but Richard’s convoluted post equates them all in his inimitable bubba fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    Cartel - Wikipedia

    P.S. You're so dense, I'm done discussing this with you except to note that the Detroit Federation of Labor was a labor federation while the Wholesale Cleaners and Dyers Association was a compulsory cartel. Previously linked documents and videos identify a dozen participating businesses.

    God, you're dumb as a stump. Darwin suggests that stupid people often don't survive to pass their genes down in adulthood. Please for the good of the species neuter yourself.

    On the Origin of Species By Means of Natural Selection by Charles Darwin | Project Gutenberg
    you clearly proved Darwin wrong.

    You keep fixating on the business side of it with the cleaners.

    They were looking for a way to use them as a front to legitimize money,you do not create a front and draw attention to your self by terrorizing the businesses.

    Which is why they brought in Chicago and created the labor union,so they could use the workers as leverage,do this or they will strike.

    I stand by my original post where the workers were forced under threats to join,because who would offer to join and pay monthly dues if they did not have to,it was not an option.

    The mob used the unions to extort businesses ever since,not in workers rights but to increase contracts during construction,collecting a wage for no show jobs,buying houses and cars and never paying the loan even health insurance.

    You went down a narrow path without the ability to zoom out and look at the bigger picture and that was your story and you were sticking to it,and everybody else is stupid.

    The cleaner wars was them being thugs and reckless as a gang,the call to Chicago was them attempting to transform from a bunch of thugs into a mafia that could show income through the use of legitimate businesses so they could justify income.

    It was a pivotal time for them,they could have matured but they kept acting like a bunch of reckless thugs and witnesses came forward and the speculation was that the competition helped set them up to law enforcement because they were out of control and needed to be out of the picture.

    That’s why when Lucky came in all he had to do was pick up the pieces.

    When it comes to the mob, Detroits mob existed because they ran a tight ship and did not run around with a neon sing saying here I am and draw attention.

    Old school,the other NY families got stupid and chose the limelight where they ended up dying in prison.

    The purple gangs downfall was their claim to fame,brutality,they did not need to be like that when 75% of the liquor was coming through Detroit,they could have been more powerful then Al Capone.

    We see that even today,a thug is a thug it’s the only thing they know and even if they put a suit on or make it in society they just cannot leave that thug life behind.
    Last edited by Richard; March-27-24 at 11:03 AM.

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