Campbell Ewald Moving Offices to Ford Field

Shollin · March-05-13, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Well at least we now know "why he doth protest too much"... you live in Warren... and you gave all these lame excuses [[the "what they're driving past" is the lamest) on why they should not move... and then ended it with "I guess global marketing isn't their strong suit" as a slap at them. FYI... their clients also include the US Post Office and MotorCity Casino.

If anything this is the "schadenfreude" that Warren Mayor Jim Fouts deserves for his attempt to move the GM HQ from Detroit to the GM Tech Center.

GM and Campbell-Ewald [[founded IN Detroit) had a 91 year relationship... maybe they felt like a jilted lover... and decided they just didn't want to stick around anymore.... and just leave it at that.

But none of the excuses that they shouldn't move have convinced folks [[even suburbanites like myself)... why they shouldn't.

Warren will survive... we all know that... so end of story.

P.S. You still have Matty's CENTRA corp in Warren... as well as the vast Tech Center... and all the developments on the Tank Plant site... not to mention all of the commercial businesses along the Mound corridor...

The what they're driving past, was directly quoting someone who said what client would want to drive on Van Dyke in Warren. I guess context of the post is lost on you.

Shollin · March-05-13, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

When international media gives a shit about Warren potentially going bankrupt then maybe Campbell Ewald will think about moving back there.

I'm sorry international attention on Detroit's financial crisis is a positive? Am I reading this correctly?

**iheartthed** · March-05-13, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

I'm sorry international attention on Detroit's financial crisis is a positive? Am I reading this correctly?

It's far better than no one caring. There certainly wasn't as much written about Ecorse, Benton Harbor, Pontiac, Flint or Harrisburg, Pa.

**Thruster315** · March-05-13, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

None of these companies make their marketing decisions in their offices in Detroit.

None of those clients make their marketing decisions from Warren either.

I think part of this decision is partially PR and a hope of winning back some of that Chevy/ GM work they lost a few years back.

**313WX** · March-05-13, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

They just lost their account with GM and the Tech Center is across the street in Warren. How is that relevant? Comerica's headquarters are in Dallas and not Detroit anymore. Compuware is almost insolvent and could be owned by a hedge fund and moved out of Detroit. Chase is not headquartered in Detroit. Ernst and Young is not headquartered in Detroit. PWC is not headquartered in Detroit. Chrysler is not headquartered in Detroit. In fact, CE is moving farther away from Chrysler. None of these companies make their marketing decisions in their offices in Detroit.

I thought it was Doner in Southfield that used to have Chrysler's account?

**Patrick** · March-05-13, 07:26 PM

My sister works at CE now and mentioned that this was an office rumor for ages. I am not sure how well it will work to attract talent and new accounts. With that said, she stated that the majority of CE employees live on the east side in Macomb County or GP. I suppose this shakeup will leave some folks in Warren feeling jealous but oh well.

Shollin · March-05-13, 08:05 PM

I must be being trolled here if someone is actually suggesting international attention on a city being bankrupt is positive. There should be a Pure Michigan ad about Detroit being bankrupt. Perhaps Campbell Ewald can make it.

**Detroit68** · March-05-13, 08:05 PM

Maybe CE decided to move a bit closer to their competition:

http://www.freep.com/article/2012041...ffice-downtown

**p1acebo** · March-05-13, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

I must be being trolled here if someone is actually suggesting international attention on a city being bankrupt is positive. There should be a Pure Michigan ad about Detroit being bankrupt. Perhaps Campbell Ewald can make it.

No I think you are missing his point. He is simply saying that Detroit is relevant on a national setting where as Warren is not. For this reason most people believe that CE moving to downtown is better for the region in general.

Shollin · March-05-13, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by p1acebo

No I think you are missing his point. He is simply saying that Detroit is relevant on a national setting where as Warren is not. For this reason most people believe that CE moving to downtown is better for the region in general.

Detroit isn't relevant anymore. Detroit is getting attention for being bankrupt because it is the largest municipal failure in the United States. I guess it's only topped by New York in the late 70's.

**stinkytofu** · March-05-13, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

I must be being trolled here if someone is actually suggesting international attention on a city being bankrupt is positive. There should be a Pure Michigan ad about Detroit being bankrupt. Perhaps Campbell Ewald can make it.

Wait...you're being trolled?!?! Ha!

**stinkytofu** · March-05-13, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

Detroit isn't relevant anymore. Detroit is getting attention for being bankrupt because it is the largest municipal failure in the United States. I guess it's only topped by New York in the late 70's.

Yes, Warren is much more relevant than Detroit on a national level.

Shollin · March-05-13, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by stinkytofu

Yes, Warren is more relevant than Detroit on a national level.

In terms of economy and remaining solvent, yes Warren is more relevant. In terms of being the biggest failure in the United States, no Warren is not very relevant.

**stinkytofu** · March-05-13, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

In terms of economy and remaining solvent, yes Warren is more relevant. In terms of being the biggest failure in the United States, no Warren is not very relevant.

Yes, Warren is much more relevant than Detroit on a national level.

Shollin · March-05-13, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by stinkytofu

Yes, Warren is much more relevant than Detroit on a national level.

It's about time you came around. We're talking about Detroit's come back because of a Buffalo Wild Wings and 7-11, when Warren already had those plus multiple Krogers, Meijer, and Target. Apparently retailers see Warren as being more relevant than Detroit. More Detroiters have moved into Warren than Warrenites [[?) moving into Detroit. I guess they know that their children won't burn to death while waiting for a firetruck or ambulance in Warren.

**p1acebo** · March-05-13, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

In terms of economy and remaining solvent, yes Warren is more relevant. In terms of being the biggest failure in the United States, no Warren is not very relevant.

Haha wow you know what they say, fooled me once. For a second I thought you were trying to make valid arguments. Kudos to your trolling.

**stinkytofu** · March-05-13, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

It's about time you came around. We're talking about Detroit's come back because of a Buffalo Wild Wings and 7-11, when Warren already had those plus multiple Krogers, Meijer, and Target. Apparently retailers see Warren as being more relevant than Detroit. More Detroiters have moved into Warren than Warrenites [[?) moving into Detroit. I guess they know that their children won't burn to death while waiting for a firetruck or ambulance in Warren.

Yes, this is all very relevant to the business reason of CE leaving Warren to Detroit. I understand you are bitter about CE leaving, but you can't even form half decent arguments and basically just quit and instead just rant about Detroit.

Shollin · March-05-13, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by p1acebo

Haha wow you know what they say, fooled me once. For a second I thought you were trying to make valid arguments. Kudos to your trolling.

So is Warren bankrupt? Warren has 100,000 jobs. Detroit has 350,000 jobs despite being over 5 times larger than Warren, and twice as many people commute from Detroit than from Warren to Detroit. Warren has lower poverty and lower unemployment. More people are moving from Detroit to Warren than the other way around. I guess in terms of who grabs the news headlines it would be Detroit simply because it's larger. It terms of being a functioning city with an economy that can support it's population, Warren is much more relevant.

**leapfrog** · March-05-13, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by drjeff

Moving employees downtown helps to strengthen downtown. Nobody gives a shit if some suburb gets a few more employees because it doesn't matter to the region one bit. Will this really affect Warren? Probably not.

As to nobody giving a shit, you will forgive me if I and others who actually live in those suburbs feel differently. Strengthening Ferndale's tax base does more for my city than strengthening Detroit's does - at least for the foreseeable future.

The point about poaching jobs is valid - regardless of whether its city to suburb or vice versa. Its not job growth, its [[as others have put it before me) rearranging deck chairs.

Shollin · March-05-13, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by stinkytofu

Yes, this is all very relevant to the business reason of CE leaving Warren to Detroit. I understand you are bitter about CE leaving, but you can't even form half decent arguments and basically just quit and instead just rant about Detroit.

I'm not bitter. I'm not jumping up for joy because a company who lost its biggest client and downsized decided to move into a football stadium. If some ad agency from New York said they were opening a new office in Detroit and going to hire x amount of people, then I would be excited. You have provided nothing to state how this helps the area besides Detroit. I bet their office is in some renaissance zone and they're getting a subsidy to move there.

**313WX** · March-05-13, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

Detroit isn't relevant anymore. Detroit is getting attention for being bankrupt because it is the largest municipal failure in the United States. I guess it's only topped by New York in the late 70's.

HAHA!!! O Rly!?

**stinkytofu** · March-05-13, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

I'm not bitter. I'm not jumping up for joy because a company who lost its biggest client and downsized decided to move into a football stadium. If some ad agency from New York said they were opening a new office in Detroit and going to hire x amount of people, then I would be excited. You have provided nothing to state how this helps the area besides Detroit. I bet their office is in some renaissance zone and they're getting a subsidy to move there.

Having a strong downtown helps a region more than having larger companies spread across the metropolitan region. It helps attract more businesses and the image of the community itself.

I agree that new jobs would be much better, but you still have utterly failed to explain why CE should stay in Warren.

Shollin · March-05-13, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by stinkytofu

Having a strong downtown helps a region more than having larger companies spread across the metropolitan region. It helps attract more businesses and the image of the community itself.

I agree that new jobs would be much better, but you still have utterly failed to explain why CE should stay in Warren.

You have utterly failed to explain why CE moving to Detroit is better. In what way does the moving to Detroit help Warren? How does it help Macomb County? The only one it helps is Detroit and that could be suspect if they are giving them subsidies to move.

**stinkytofu** · March-05-13, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

You have utterly failed to explain why CE moving to Detroit is better. In what way does the moving to Detroit help Warren? How does it help Macomb County? The only one it helps is Detroit and that could be suspect if they are giving them subsidies to move.

I have explained both why it is better for the region and, as importantly, why it makes business sense for CE. Try re-reading the thread.

**downtownguy** · March-05-13, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Shollin

So is Warren bankrupt? Warren has 100,000 jobs. Detroit has 350,000 jobs despite being over 5 times larger than Warren, and twice as many people commute from Detroit than from Warren to Detroit. Warren has lower poverty and lower unemployment. More people are moving from Detroit to Warren than the other way around. I guess in terms of who grabs the news headlines it would be Detroit simply because it's larger. It terms of being a functioning city with an economy that can support it's population, Warren is much more relevant.

Warren, a city of 134,056 residents according to the 2010 census, has 100,000 jobs? Could you provide your sources?

I tried to find a source for this on Wikipedia, but found these interesting tidbits instead:

Since 1970, Warren has been consistently one of the faster-declining cities in population in the country. The population declined by 10% during each of the next two decades [[1980: 161,060; 1990: 144,864), and dropped by 4.6% between 1990 and 2000.

Warren's population is currently one of the oldest among large cities in the United States. 17.3% of Warren's population was 65 or older at the last census, tied for fifth with Hollywood, Florida among cities with 100,000+ population, and in fact the highest-ranking city by this measure outside of Florida or Hawaii.

Racial integration came slowly to Warren in the ensuing two decades, with the white portion of the city dropping only gradually to 98.2% in 1980 and 97.3% as of 1990. At that point integration started to accelerate, with the white population declining to 91.3% in 2000 and reaching 63.4% as of the 2010 census.