DetroitYES Mini-Film Festival presents two Detroit-themed films by German director Dieter Marcello.
READ MORE »

JOIN DETROITYES NOW
FREE AND FUN

DISCUSSING ALL THINGS DETROIT SINCE 1999

ENJOY DETROITYES?


AND HAVE ADS REMOVED DETAILS »

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 29
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    26

    Default Hart Plaza Renovation: Will It Ever Happen?

    It's been a while since these renderings where put out there just to tease us. Is there any update on the Hart Plaza updates?

    http://tbany.com/projects_page.php?p...6&categoryid=4

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    5,070

    Default

    Where is the money going to come from?

    There is your answer, no money = no renovations.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    923

    Default

    It certainly would be nice to see that happen. However in the grand scheme of things, it's likely a tad down the list of "things to do" at the moment.

    'Course we could always hope some gazillionaire might pay for it to happen.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    1,397

    Default

    I agree with others, there is no money for it. But once the money is flowing again, it would be very nice. Hart Plaza is just too much.... concrete.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    929

    Default

    As nice as the renderings are, there is still a major problem with Hart Plaza that is not addressed that will prevent it from being an integral part of downtown... the vast, imposing stretch of concrete that acts as a moat. We call it Jefferson Ave. You want to have a nice park/plaza that connects downtown to the river? Do something about the 10 lane freeway on/off ramp that acts nearly as much as a border as the river to the south.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,229

    Default

    Maybe put it underground, at least over a long enough stretch to have a big green path to the plaza?

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    172

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mikefmich View Post

    'Course we could always hope some gazillionaire might pay for it to happen.
    So....Mr. Gilbert.....about that Hart Plaza

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    357

    Default

    i have always thought that some sort of pedestrian bridge would be nice, something with a unique design, would be great for jefferson. you have that patch of grass in front of CAY which would be a great spot and provide the room necessary for something like that. gehry's serpentine bridge in chicago comes to mind...

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    5,070

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jtf1972 View Post
    As nice as the renderings are, there is still a major problem with Hart Plaza that is not addressed that will prevent it from being an integral part of downtown... the vast, imposing stretch of concrete that acts as a moat. We call it Jefferson Ave. You want to have a nice park/plaza that connects downtown to the river? Do something about the 10 lane freeway on/off ramp that acts nearly as much as a border as the river to the south.
    Two words: Lakeshore Drive.

    Chicago has the same issue, but it has found ways to mitigate that issue. In addition, there is no 'moat' because it is connected to downtown through Cobo. Yes it is only one side, but the other side has the Ren Cen which has a good chunk of the City's employment and tourism.

    I walk from my office to Hart Plaza often. If you sprint it you can make it across in one signal, but for most people it takes two. This is not an unusual amount of time to cross as many lanes as Jefferson has.

    If you're real issue is the freeway, I don't know how that could realistically removed or reduced. Remember, this is still a critical link from the freeway system to an international border crossing and a major feeder into downtown's CBD. Burying the connector part won't work because there is already parking underneath. Even if we can double the transit trips it would not take enough cars out to completely remove the garage so Jefferson could be Wacker Drive.

    Of course if the city does not have money for fire fighters, police officers, it will definitely be a long time before it will have the money for a major improvement to the transit system, a greening of Hart Plaza, or a partial burying of Jefferson Ave.
    Last edited by DetroitPlanner; July-08-12 at 09:56 PM.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    86

    Default

    I always wished that Hart Plaza was similar to Atlantas Underground so that it could have year round use and add more retail to downtown.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    2,131

    Default

    Hart Plaza has an underground to it where food vendors and restaurant once were. The area could be enlarged. It only takes the creativity of engineers, designers, and developers.

    Detroit could do what Vegas had done with their 10 lane streets that run through the middle of their district; construct another overpass over Jefferson at the foot of Woodward. Have outdoor escalators to carry pedestrian to the overpass

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    3,547

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Hart Plaza has an underground to it where food vendors and restaurant once were. The area could be enlarged. It only takes the creativity of engineers, designers, and developers.
    And a lot of OPM (other people's money).

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    5,957

    Default

    There's also a gallery area down there and a lower smaller staging area for mini concerts. I used to go alot during the 80's... what it was, was fantastic. Though I never liked eating food down there crouched at those tiny tables or eating on your lap. I always took my food topside...

    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Hart Plaza has an underground to it where food vendors and restaurant once were. The area could be enlarged. It only takes the creativity of engineers, designers, and developers.

    Detroit could do what Vegas had done with their 10 lane streets that run through the middle of their district; construct another overpass over Jefferson at the foot of Woodward. Have outdoor escalators to carry pedestrian to the overpass

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    2,026

    Default

    without private investment, I don't see it happening anytime soon.. and I don't like the idea of yet another big bond sale..

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    5,672

    Default

    You know.... I don't think that any of this is going to fix any problems for Hart Plaza... what is wrong with it? To little grass, too much pavers and cement, too much underground... too inaccessible to street light traffic???

    Hart Plaza was very successful in the 1980s as a venue for the riverfront ethnic festivals. People liked it back then.

    What has changed to make it less popular?

    I think that many of you are addressing band aids rather than the true symptom of what is wrong with Hart Plaza. Unfortunately I don't know what IS wrong with the place that it attracts so few people in recent years. But unless we know for sure... throwing even more money at the place isn't the answer. Having a walkway above the street isn't that bad. But it doesn't seem to be a problem with Campus Martius... then why is it a problem with Hart Plaza?

    I don't know the answer either.... but we should learn more about how that underutilized part the riverfront is the way it is, before spending scarce resources on it!

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    7,199

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Detroit could do what Vegas had done with their 10 lane streets that run through the middle of their district; construct another overpass over Jefferson at the foot of Woodward. Have outdoor escalators to carry pedestrian to the overpass
    It's true: There is no way to cross Jefferson east of Beaubien without taking your life into your own hands.

    But instead of building bridges with escalators, how about doing something really incredible: Shrinking Jefferson Avenue and slowing traffic. Maybe even doing away with the connection to I-75.

    Oh, I know that's off the table because you need to have all that roadway for ... use a few times a year. And because this is the Motor City, and in the Motor City bla bla bla bla ...

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    3,939

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Hart Plaza was very successful in the 1980s as a venue for the riverfront ethnic festivals. People liked it back then.

    What has changed to make it less popular?
    Seems like what changed is that the festivals thinned out.

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    675

    Default

    Sink Jefferson Ave and cap it with greenery. You could cap it all the way to the 375 connector or have it surface in front of the Ren Cen where Hart Plaza ends. Now where did I put that checkbook with the unlimited funding at????

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    7,199

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg19 View Post
    Sink Jefferson Ave and cap it with greenery. You could cap it all the way to the 375 connector or have it surface in front of the Ren Cen where Hart Plaza ends. Now where did I put that checkbook with the unlimited funding at????
    Good, that way there will be no access from underground Jefferson to all the streets in downtown. :P

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    5,070

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Detroitnerd View Post
    Good, that way there will be no access from underground Jefferson to all the streets in downtown. :P
    Thats why you would need to Wacker drive it. Unfortunately there is no money for the park, for the road, or for the transit upgrades needed to remove the parking that is under Jefferson.

    Gistok is right. This park had no issues attracting crowds 25 years ago. However, it has become an area where the underground is filled with bums and all of the activity has been siphoned off to the newer town squares found at Campus Martius, or in front of the Ren Cen. Hopefully we can get some more activity in this area once Cobo is done and conventioneers start using it to traipse between the Marriot and the meetings.

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    910

    Default

    Look at this rendering, some type of building connected to the parking garage next to Hart Plaza. Also, look at the infrastructure's around the state park leading to Jefferson st. We have a connection issue with development, there is too many gaps in between major development throughout.



  22. #22
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    5,070

    Default

    gthomas, that building is where bates street was recently put-in. under bates street is a giant pipe that drains the water from City Streets known as the Bates Outfall. It is what delayed the (missing from the pic) terminal because it needed reconstruction. I would doubt they would ever build a building in that location.

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,229

    Default

    The little building in front is the Port Authority terminal. It almost looks like they extended the parking garage over the tunnel entrance. I seem to recall a plan to put a hotel on the site from around 6 years ago or so. I know hines & GM are still planning a "river east" development for the lots east of ren cen (actually all the ren cen-belle isle ideas are still active, at least they were the last time I talked to the main actors).

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    419

    Default

    Where are the original renderings of the Ren Cen/OCP fortress from back in the day? Tried to find those but couldn't. Had all the cylinder shaped concrete berms and what not if I remember correctly.

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    26

    Default

    Are we any closer?

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •