Crowne Plaza could add second tower

[ASilvaman]

This council is one of the more educated in the region. Like disagree with their decisions, but this lazy-ass bashing no matter who is there [[and then constantly bashing the voters are illiterate) smacks of nasty bullsh%t. Spare us.

This council has passed nearly every major development project that's come across their desks. And they reject one do to arguable legitimate concerns and we get the old "corrupt" and "illiterate" and "semi-intelligent" chestnut codewords. Troy's city government has been in perpetual political turmoil for years now, a mayor and council probably implicated in a bribery scandal, a [[now former) city manager beating up his bootycall in the middle of a city street in sight and view of passerbys, etc. Corrupt? You bet your sweet ass. And what do you hear, here? Crickets. But, the city has money, so I guess it's all right, right?

Do better with your criticisms, and stop showing your thinly veiled racist asses to the public, please. Be better people. #BeBest. Thanks.

Thank you, I was about to unload on this clown myself. The "illiterate" black racist BS needs to go. People making me sick with this sh*t

[313WX]

Free market or incentive driven?

Free market.

http://www.nashvillepublicradio.org/...ences#stream/0

[ASilvaman]

So if Detroit is in fact facing a severe hotel shortage, why aren't a ton of outside developers rushing in to meet this demand, like what's happening in Nashville?

https://www.tennessean.com/story/mon...on/1039853001/

"...More than 85 hotel properties with more than 15,000 rooms are in all phases of planning and construction..."

Just go away, you've added enough of your commentary to this conversation. Unhappy? I hear that Troy is wonderful

[313WX]

I hear that Troy is wonderful

Really?

I haven't stepped foot in Troy since I left Michigan.

[Atticus]

Andre Spivey made the point that boutique hotels simply can't handle the large groups of visitors that would come with conventions and other major events.

Nashville in comparison is getting the following [[all high rises with hundreds of rooms):

*Hyatt Regency
*Four Seasons
*W Hotel
*Drury Plaza
*Intercontential Hotels [[possibly)

As well as a plethora of "middle of road" convention-friendly hotels:

*AC / Residence Inn / SpringHill Suites
*Tru / Home2Suites
*Hyatt House
*Virgin Hotel

And as far as places completed since 2011:

*Omni Hotel
*J.W. Marriott
*Hyatt Place

And that's all in addition to the boutique hotels they're also getting [[The Joseph, Margaritaville, Moxy, etc.).

Forget Nashville. Just consider even places like Cleveland and Indy that really aren't exactly big tourist destinations..

Detroit only has three higher end hotels from the chains: Marriott RenCen, Westin BookCadillac, CrownePlaza. Yes there are also the three casino hotels, but a lot of entities [[especially anything semi-public or government related) are very weary to send anyone to a casino hotel because of the optics. [[That, and only one of the three casinos is even part of a chain known to most out-of-state visitors). But otherwise, that is it. And yes, I am excluding the mid range places like the Courtyard, Hilton Garden Inn, Holiday Inn Express, Aloft,etc. because frankly everyone has them [[and also more of them in that level than Detroit).

Compare that to even Indy or Cleveland, which are not tourist hotbed has a ton more choices than Detroit. Indy also has a Marriott, Westin, and Crowne Plaza. In addition, Indy has: Sheraton, JW Marriott, Omni, Hilton, Drury Plaza, Conrad, Le Meridien, Hyatt Regency, and a ton more of the mid-range hotel options as well.

Cleveland also has a Marriott, Westin, and Crowne Plaza.In addition, Cleveland has a Hilton, Drury Plaza, Radison, Renaissance, Kimpton, Hyatt Regency, Ritz Carlton, Intercontinental, Autograph Collection and a ton more of the mid-range options as well.

I don't think people realize how far Detroit is behind compared not only to peers, but to other metro areas half of its size.

[iheartthed]

Free market.

http://www.nashvillepublicradio.org/...ences#stream/0

Detroit's average nightly rate is higher than Nashville's.

And O'Callaghan, citing statistics from Destination Reports by hotel data firm STR Inc., said downtown hotels are generally performing better than others across the region. The average daily rate downtown was $172 per night last month, compared with $106 regionwide. And occupancy rates were 73.9 percent downtown, compared with 70.8 percent for the region as a whole."Detroit truly has become a destination," Skelton said. "Many years ago in the 1950s and 1960s, Detroit was a destination. Surprise, surprise."


http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180701/news/665086/detroits-new-found-reputation-as-a-tourist-destination-spurs-hotel-boom

[313WX]

Detroit's average nightly rate is higher than Nashville's.

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And yet, it's not translatimg into a huge rush by developers to meet the supposed demand like there is in Nashville.

[Richard]

This council is one of the more educated in the region. Like disagree with their decisions, but this lazy-ass bashing no matter who is there [[and then constantly bashing the voters are illiterate) smacks of nasty bullsh%t. Spare us.

This council has passed nearly every major development project that's come across their desks. And they reject one do to arguable legitimate concerns and we get the old "corrupt" and "illiterate" and "semi-intelligent" chestnut codewords. Troy's city government has been in perpetual political turmoil for years now, a mayor and council probably implicated in a bribery scandal, a [[now former) city manager beating up his bootycall in the middle of a city street in sight and view of passerbys, etc. Corrupt? You bet your sweet ass. And what do you hear, here? Crickets. But, the city has money, so I guess it's all right, right?

Do better with your criticisms, and stop showing your thinly veiled racist asses to the public, please. Be better people. #BeBest. Thanks.

Well, you say that but in the thread about converting the firehouse into a Restruant It was mentioned that some in the neighborhood had clout with the city council which helped in its disapproval.

So what is it?

Supply and demand,a shortage of rooms creates higher prices,your not thinking that there are others that prefer thier personal profit over what is best for the city as a whole and would also use thier clout with the city council in order to prevent more rooms from being built.

Weather one likes it or not,the city is a click when it comes to outside investment,I have not seen that part change in 7 years,but that is the residents choice,money is going to invest and it does not confine itself to clicks,there are 50 other states and hundreds of other cities out there that are also looking out for thier best interests.

Close to me they have just approved a 650,000,000 stadium and project much like you have there.

Zero tax dollars are being used to build it,they are going to be useing a bed tax,which is a tax that hotels pay when they rent a room,hotels bring people,people spend money,the city charges a bed tax,the city uses the bed tax for improvement.

That is kinda how it works,or not.

Most of all the big projects that have been funded in the city so far have done so based on future tax captures,so now there is a proposed project that is not requireing a tax capture for the next 20 years and will actually be paying into the system immediately.

Your building the city now but losing the revenue tax base for the next 20 years,how are you going to pay for the additional strain on the existing residents?

They are not projects that are moving thousands of new residents in to help ease the tax burden.


That is two in the last month,that were brought to the attention on this site anyways,how many more?

Is it really sensible to continue to do the same thing that put you where you are today?

[313WX]

Zero tax dollars are being used to build it,they are going to be useing a bed tax,which is a tax that hotels pay when they rent a room,hotels bring people,people spend money,the city charges a bed tax,the city uses the bed tax for improvement.

So what you say about "zero tax dollars are being used" is technically incorrect.

The money may not come from the city's general fund or the pockets of individual residents, but someone or some entity is still paying the tax earmarked for the funds that money comes from.

[Richard]

So what you say about "zero tax dollars are being used" is technically incorrect.

The money may not come from the city's general fund or the pockets of individual residents, but someone or some entity is still paying the tax earmarked for the funds that money comes from.

No,it is exactly what I said,my tax dollars will not be used to build the stadium.

The team and private investors are paying for it.

The bed tax is only collected when somebody rents a room and the bed tax does not go into the general fund.It is used to support and build the tourism industry.So if the room usage does not increase because of the stadium then they do not collect.

But if you limit the rooms you limit the advancement.

Why should I as a taxpayer pay for a billionaire team owners private little ballfield.He sure is not going to pay my water bill,or send me a P&L statement at the end of the month with a check.

Granted it did increase my getto house value 300% overnight,which made my house in the hood have the same value as the rich folk on the waterfront.

[313WX]

No,it is exactly what I said,my tax dollars will not be used to build the stadium.

You may have missppke, but so we're clear, you did in fact say, and I quote, "zero tax dollars" [[there's a difference).

[archfan]

Detroit's average nightly rate is higher than Nashville's.

So that tells me that:
a) There is high enough demand in Detroit to charge more and
b) There is still reluctance by the big chains to commit to building in Detroit

That sounds about right, and isn't very surprising.

[313WX]

b) There is still reluctance by the big chains to commit to building in Detroit

Big chains don't "build" hotels. Developers instead reach franchise agreements with them to use their names.

The questions then is, why are these developers still overlooking up a market that's supposedly so underserved when it comes to hotel rooms?

I haven't heard about any other major hotel project besides this one for the Crowne Plaza, and it doesn't count because the developer was expanding upon a hotel that already exists.

[Atticus]

Big chains don't "build" hotels. Developers instead reach franchise agreements with them to use their names.

The questions then is, why are these developers still overlooking up a market that's supposedly so underserved when it comes to hotel rooms?

I haven't heard about any other major hotel project besides this one for the Crowne Plaza, and it doesn't count because the developer was expanding upon a hotel that already exists.

Put it this way, after how childish the council has behaved with the Crowne addition...
If you were a developer, would you want to waste your money on developing a proposal for a new hotel that gets denied because of some council member’s pet social project?

There is a lot of money spent up front with the architect, engineer, lawyer, banker, and countless others just to make a proposal, regardless if it gets built or not. If as a developer you have no confidence that a good proposal can be approved by city council, why spend all that scoping money up front?

And then we wonder why there are not more proposals being brought forward.

[iheartthed]

I haven't heard about any other major hotel project besides this one for the Crowne Plaza, and it doesn't count because the developer was expanding upon a hotel that already exists.

I mentioned three hotels that are currently or soon to be under construction: Shinola, West Elm, and Element [[a Marriott brand).

[313WX]

Put it this way, after how childish the council has behaved with the Crowne addition...
If you were a developer, would you want to waste your money on developing a proposal for a new hotel that gets denied because of some council member’s pet social project?

There is a lot of money spent up front with the architect, engineer, lawyer, banker, and countless others just to make a proposal, regardless if it gets built or not. If as a developer you have no confidence that a good proposal can be approved by city council, why spend all that scoping money up front?

And then we wonder why there are not more proposals being brought forward.

That's all plausible.

And it's also just as plausible that Detroit's hotel room shortage is being overblown, meaning that even rates are high, that still doesn't mean adding a ton of new rooms would be profitable.

[masterblaster]

That's all plausible.

And it's also just as plausible that Detroit's hotel room shortage is being overblown, meaning that even rates are high, that still doesn't mean adding a ton of new rooms would be profitable.

You love to put down Detroit, but comparing Nashville to Detroit is questionable because that city is a warm weather city and a burgeoning tourist city, so demand is going to be high for hotel rooms.

If you really wanted to demonstrate how Detroit is lacking in hotels, you would have compared it to Cleveland, like another poster did. Compared to Cleveland, an analogous Rust Belt city, central Detroit is way behind. But in your zeal to minimize Detroit, you chose a city that is an apples to oranges comparison, for hotel demand anyway.

[313WX]

comparing Nashville to Detroit is questionable...

My comparison was perfectly valid. They're both cities supposedly dealing with a severe hotel room shortage.

If you really wanted to demonstrate how Detroit is lacking in hotels, you would have compared it to Cleveland...

I'm not aware of Cleveland facing a hotel room shortage like Detroit supposedly is