How should Metro Detroiters remember Father Coughlin ?

[maxx]

You know, the anti-semitic nazi sympathizer who solicited money from his large radio audience to build the National Shrine of the Little Flower in Royal Oak.

[1KielsonDrive]

As a ranting, raving lunatic. Just like modern day Limbaughs and Becks.

[bartock]

Neat theme today. Any other high profile anti-semite corpses we can kick around?

[1KielsonDrive]

Slow news day. We only have earthquakes, nuclear meltdowns, depressions, revolutions, riots and protests to deal with so we need diversions.

[dtowncitylover]

You know, the anti-semitic nazi sympathizer who solicited money from his large radio audience to build the National Shrine of the Little Flower in Royal Oak.

As someone who went to that church and graduated from the schools, I can't help but agree on some of your points and disagree on others.

Coughlin was pro-FDR until the New Deal, when he thought FDR became too friendly with the big banks. However he truly was the Glen Beck of his era [[mostly about the Jews, while Beck uses "liberal" and "communists"). Coughlin was very much against big business running the country [[he preached the Jews were in control of the businesses and banks, but also very much against communism, of course also a Jewish conspiracy) But when his original church was basically firebombed by members of the KKK in the Royal Oak area, he decided to build a larger church that no one could destroy. And that's what we have today, a very beautiful and detailed church that pays homage to every state where the money came from with bricks with the the name of the state and the state's flower. You can attack the man and what he stood for, but not the church.

And just a disclaimer, Shrine Schools teaches very little about him, except for saying he founded it.

[dtowncitylover]

Slow news day. We only have earthquakes, nuclear meltdowns, depressions, revolutions, riots and protests to deal with so we need diversions.

Well if you want to talk about those, I'm sure the Non-Detroit section would be a better place to discuss them. Except for the protests, those are happening at the Capitol.

[Carey]

It's too bad Shrine educators choose to bury their heads in the sand about Coughlin and not tell students about him. Talk about a "teachable moment!" The founder of what is clearly one of the archdiocese's leading parishes was the nation's first electronic media preacher and is the subject of any number of scholarly studies. Looking at Coughlin's career illustrates a lot about Detroit and American between the wars. Oh well. Dominus vobiscum.

[lilpup]

I think the Limbaugh comparison is better than the Beck one. Beck is just a loose cannon seeking ratings. Limbaugh seems to maintain a pretty consistent line.

Of course in Coughlin's time Catholics weren't all that in favor, either.

[Blueidone]

I too attended Shrine during the Coughlin years...but as a child...2nd and 3rd grades. My sisters both graduated from Shrine, however, classes of 1960 and 1961.

I only remember Father Coughlin two ways...one, as a frightening figure who scared the hell out of me during his sermons. All his screaming and pulpit pounding about stuff I didn't understand made me fear him, not revere him.

The second memory I have of him is visiting the lady who lived next door to me...quite often...usually in the evenings. I don't remember much about it, except that my parents would often joke about how hypocritical he was. Of course, as an adult I came to understand what they were talking about. Of course, I have no proof or knowledge of what went on during those visits...just a rememberance of the jokes being made.

[Mikeg]

Among my files I have a copy of his national weekly "Social Justice" magazine dated March 28, 1938. Click here and here for a glimpse of it.

[dtowncitylover]

It's too bad Shrine educators choose to bury their heads in the sand about Coughlin and not tell students about him. Talk about a "teachable moment!" The founder of what is clearly one of the archdiocese's leading parishes was the nation's first electronic media preacher and is the subject of any number of scholarly studies. Looking at Coughlin's career illustrates a lot about Detroit and American between the wars. Oh well. Dominus vobiscum.

I think in one of the my religion classes we got into a discussion about who he was. And I think the pastor talked about him during one of his homlies at some point. My family has been going there since '52, so I knew his story by the age of 10. Meh...this is old hat to me.

[Danny]

Coughlin was very much against big business running the country [[he preached the Jews were in control of the businesses and banks.

Technically its true, Most of the Jews since the mid renaissance period in Europe started their public bank system because they believe that having interest rate system or running the loaning system is not a SIN to them. To Christians in the mid renaisance Europe they can't run the banks because they will get in interest and loaning system in which it's a SIN of "MONEY CHANGING." But they borrow money from the Jewish owned banks, but trying to avoid the interest rates. Remember the ROTHSCHILDIAN ECONOMICS! This lead to the system of investments which lead to Dow Jones [[ Wall Street) in U.S. started in 1792. The FTSE in Britian, The Heng Seng in Hong Kong, China, The Nikkei in Japan and much more.


Wars, wars and more wars from the start of Age of Reason in the mid Renaisance period in Europe up to WWI was incorporated by mostly Jewish controlled banks. After the war is over, Germany and Austria was hit hard and its democratic government restored by the League of Nations had all power back to the Kaiser. The National Socialist Party of Germany was increasing due to the blame of Jewish controlled banks in Europe. It took Adolf Hitler and flare it up and the Germans worshiped him as a God; making him Chancellor, destroying the Kaiser government, creating Krystalnacht against Jewish owned businesses and finally turning all Jewish owned banks in Germany into his prime treasury while providing the final solution to them. When the WWII is over with a big bang! The period of Jewish owned Rothschidian banks is over the almost covered up by the Jews so that they get in serious trouble with new racist regimes.


Please don't give me to playing race cards. I have the full deck if you all backwrite against your agruments!


Father Coughlin was right about the origarchical corruption. The relationship between government and corporation is full swing since the late 19th centuries. The big party comes in with the relationship between Republican Party and corporations. The result is PLUTOMONY! Now the Party of Lincoln and Corps can contribute each other with bailouts and political action monies more than the democrats. Republicans who sided with corps can either regulate the poletariat unions for its collective bargianings to wage and medical cuts to what they claim is to ease the deficits. Republicans can hire those who work in corps to work for advisor commitees or coorespondents by means of "CAPTURE THEORY!" for example:


70% of the people who worked for U.S. Dept of Agriculture [[ the one who regulate farming and give the proletariats EBT Food Stamp cards) came from MONSATO, who controlled almost 90% of U.S. agriculture with the GMO seeds. The result: MONSATO can ask favor from the government to either cap the proletariat farming [[mostly) and regulate corporate farming.

Do you all see the vision of Father Coughlin's Prophesies! It's coming true and its here, even through he's little tough on social ethics!


WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET


Because those who did not listen to the wise men will end up in damnation!

Neda, I miss you so.

[English]

Why not start a thread about Father Cunningham? What a wonderful man he was.

[SWMAP]

Wow, Blueidone - talk about using second-hand anecdote and sniggering to discredit someone. Sickening that you had to drop that in. Perhaps he came to dinner. Perhaps your neighbor was his sister or cousin - how would you know the nature of the relationship?
Mentioning Father Cunnigham, as English does brings up a similar thought: Fr. Cunningham was historically very close to Eleanor Josaitis, eating in her home very, very often, as her memoirs have said. Are we to snigger over that?

[Blueidone]

Wow, Blueidone - talk about using second-hand anecdote and sniggering to discredit someone. Sickening that you had to drop that in. Perhaps he came to dinner. Perhaps your neighbor was his sister or cousin - how would you know the nature of the relationship?
Mentioning Father Cunnigham, as English does brings up a similar thought: Fr. Cunningham was historically very close to Eleanor Josaitis, eating in her home very, very often, as her memoirs have said. Are we to snigger over that?

I never said that I knew the nature of the relationship. I said that as an adult I came to understand what my parents were talking about. It's what I remember...which is what the thread is about.

[Detroitej72]

Why not start a thread about Father Cunningham? What a wonderful man he was.

Because the OP likes to point out how evil religion is and a thread like that wouldn't fit into their agenda.

[Hermod]

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The second memory I have of him is visiting the lady who lived next door to me...quite often...usually in the evenings. I don't remember much about it, except that my parents would often joke about how hypocritical he was. Of course, as an adult I came to understand what they were talking about. Of course, I have no proof or knowledge of what went on during those visits...just a rememberance of the jokes being made.

Three Irish housewives lived in a tenement across the street from a cat house.

One day, they saw a Baptist preacher go in the front door, and they all clucked to themselves, "for shame, for shame, and a man of the cloth".

The next day, a Jewish Rabbi went in the cat house and the three were beside themselves, saying "what a hypocrite he is".

On the following day, a Catholic priest went up and knocked on the door and one lady said to the others, "one of the girls in there must be very sick".

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[Hermod]

Why not start a thread about Father Cunningham? What a wonderful man he was.

Better yet, we could also talk about Prophet Jones, his Detroit church, and his downfall on "morals charges".

[Hermod]

Wars, wars and more wars from the start of Age of Reason in the mid Renaisance period in Europe up to WWI was incorporated by mostly Jewish controlled banks. After the war is over, Germany and Austria was hit hard and its democratic government restored by the League of Nations had all power back to the Kaiser. The National Socialist Party of Germany was increasing due to the blame of Jewish controlled banks in Europe. It took Adolf Hitler and flare it up and the Germans worshiped him as a God; making him Chancellor, destroying the Kaiser government, creating Krystalnacht against Jewish owned businesses and finally turning all Jewish owned banks in Germany into his prime treasury while providing the final solution to them.

Ummm, Danny. I hate to get in the way of your rant since you are on a roll.

The Kaiser went into exile in Holland in 1918 and the German monarchy was dissolved in favor of the Weimar Republic. The Weimar Republic was very unstable being assailed on both sides by violence from leftist and rightist extremist groups. The German Communists did try to overthrow the government and were stopped. Yes, German Communism did, unfortunately, have a "Jewish face". Were all Jews in Germany Communists? No, but Jewish Communists were "over-represented" in the leadership of the German Communist Party The German Nazis did succeed in taking control. The Nazis ended the Weimar Republic, not the Kaiser's government.

[English]

Because the OP likes to point out how evil religion is and a thread like that wouldn't fit into their agenda.

Wow. Maybe I'll start a thread on him, then. I grew up within striking distance of Focus: HOPE.

[Danny]

Ummm, Danny. I hate to get in the way of your rant since you are on a roll.

The Kaiser went into exile in Holland in 1918 and the German monarchy was dissolved in favor of the Weimar Republic. The Weimar Republic was very unstable being assailed on both sides by violence from leftist and rightist extremist groups. The German Communists did try to overthrow the government and were stopped. Yes, German Communism did, unfortunately, have a "Jewish face". Were all Jews in Germany Communists? No, but Jewish Communists were "over-represented" in the leadership of the German Communist Party The German Nazis did succeed in taking control. The Nazis ended the Weimar Republic, not the Kaiser's government.

The Nazi's overthowing the Kaiser means overthowing the Weimar Republic.

[Gistok]

Sorry Danny... but you're wrong there.... the NAZI's did NOT overthrow the Kaiser...

The Kaiser lost World War I.... as did the Emperor of Austria-Hungary.... they went because they lost the war.... and another casualty of WWI [[but also for other reasons) was Tsar Nicholas II of Russia...

The end of WWI was the end of several monarchies in Europe.

Remember Hitler's "Beer Hall Putsch" didn't happen until 1923...

[Danny]

Sorry Danny... but you're wrong there.... the NAZI's did NOT overthrow the Kaiser...

The Kaiser lost World War I.... as did the Emperor of Austria-Hungary.... they went because they lost the war.... and another casualty of WWI [[but also for other reasons) was Tsar Nicholas II of Russia...

The end of WWI was the end of several monarchies in Europe.

Remember Hitler's "Beer Hall Putsch" didn't happen until 1923...

Please understand my codespeak: The Kaiser = the new Kaiser government provided the League of Nations and Weimar Republic. If you re-read my comments above it says League of Nations before the Kaiser.


I still have the full deck.

[Gistok]

Getting back on topic.... Father Coughlin may have been the precursor of all the media demagoguery that plagues both sides of the politcal spectrum today [[a plague on both the Dems and Reps).... but he left us one of America's finest Art Deco churches.... one would be hard pressed to find a more magnificent example of that style.

So even though Fr. Coughlin may have been a demagogue... his message has been lost to the corrosive nature of time.... but at least [[unlike the greedy politicians and their minions in the media today) he put the money to some good... and left metro Detroit a church to be proud of....

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

Herr Coughlin, oops, "Father Coughlin", must be remembered fondly by the teabagger crowd.