Madison, Wisconson

**Jimaz** · February-27-11, 10:16 PM

Latest: Police vow no forcible removals as protesters hold ground in Capitol

“A decision has been made to do what they’ve been doing all week long and that is to do everything to keep things peaceful and keep people safe,” Peg Schmidt, spokeswoman for the police command in the Capitol, told the Wisconsin State Journal Sunday evening. “There’s not going to be any forcible removal.”

**Mikeg** · February-27-11, 11:00 PM

Madison, WI protest marcher advocates "Civil Unrest" while making the ludicrous "Egypt = Libya = Wisconsin" analogy:
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**1KielsonDrive** · February-27-11, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeg

Madison, WI protest marcher advocates "Civil Unrest" while making the ludicrous "Egypt = Libya = Wisconsin" analogy:
Attachment 8918

What's ludicrous in today's politics: going to war on false pretenses? Birth place, birth certiificate and religion questioned? Congressmen preaching the lord and having homosexual and extramarital relations? Congress bought and paid for? Supreme justices campaigning and being lobbied, etc, etc, ad infinitum? This is all beyond ludicrous, ridiculous, absurd and any other superlatives I can think of. What makes you think the protester's comparisons are any different? Unless you're on the right and you're zeroing in on them for being left-wing radicals. It's theatre of the absurd and we're all standing on the sidelines getting screwed.

**Mikeg** · February-28-11, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

What's ludicrous in today's politics: going to war on false pretenses? Birth place, birth certiificate and religion questioned? Congressmen preaching the lord and having homosexual and extramarital relations? Congress bought and paid for? Supreme justices campaigning and being lobbied, etc, etc, ad infinitum? This is all beyond ludicrous, ridiculous, absurd and any other superlatives I can think of. What makes you think the protester's comparisons are any different? Unless you're on the right and you're zeroing in on them for being left-wing radicals. It's theatre of the absurd and we're all standing on the sidelines getting screwed.

I think it is extremely arrogant of the people in Madison Wisconsin - while exercising their Constitutionally-protected rights to assembly and free speech - to attempt to compare themselves with people in Egypt and Libya who are revolting at great personal risk to get out from underneath the crushing dictatorships that have oppressed them for the past 30 to 40 years.

**RaumVogel** · February-28-11, 12:36 AM

It is so easy these days to tell from someone's posts when they are radical right or left.

**oladub** · February-28-11, 12:37 AM

Looking at the videos in the OP link, it looks like the old Willy Street Food Coop crowd which I would describe as a combination of marginal students, street people, and obscure used bookstore types. There weren't as many teacher or blue collar labor types around as I would have guessed. Let 'em be. We don't want a Tiananmen Square or even Selma, Alabama situation on our hands.

I hope the protestors are using blue painting tape to put all their posters up. It might be a lot of work taking gummy stuff and scotch tape off the marble otherwise.

**oldredfordette** · February-28-11, 08:05 AM

It's [[roughly) 70% teachers and union members the rest are students. Yes, they're using blue painting tape, especially on the signs that explain how to treat the building - with respect.

Actually, respect [[for everyone but the Kochs and their puppet boy Walker) is a great way to describe the vibe in the Capitol bldg.

**Danny** · February-28-11, 10:05 AM

That foolish Republican governor of Wisconson CAN NOT make a proposal to cancel union bargining rights. It should be unconstitutional and be carried to the U.S. Supreme Court! If he passes this bill this would be happening in Wisconsin:

1. A proposal TOTAL RECALL petitions of all of Wisconsin Legislature and the governor.

2. A Urban STATE CIVIL WAR between the Unions and Republican and their supporters of the bill.

3. A state turnover from it's mostly Republican legislature of Wisconsin to a Socialist Union State of Wisconsin.

WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET

Now listen to the music of the Wisconsin Revolution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFibtD3H_k

Neda, I miss you so.

**oladub** · February-28-11, 10:57 AM

Danny, Politicians come and go. After this is all over, Wisconsin will still be musically inclined toward On Wisconsin and the Bud Song because they will still go better with the traditional diet of beer, brats, and fried curds. Also, the Packers will always be more popular than any political party in Wisconsin.

**old guy** · February-28-11, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

and obscure used bookstore types.

Hey, easy there Oladub. I thought we were supposed to be using more civility on these threads. That's pretty harsh.

**Danny** · February-28-11, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

Danny, Politicians come and go. After this is all over, Wisconsin will still be musically inclined toward On Wisconsin and the Bud Song because they will still go better with the traditional diet of beer, brats, and fried curds. Also, the Packers will always be more popular than any political party in Wisconsin.

The Unions WILL not bring Wisconsin back to normalcy until the bill to end collective bargining rights is DEAD!

SOCIALIST WISCONSIN UNIONS! Take back your freedom. You have nothing to lose but your chains.

ON WISCONSIN

NEO-BOLSHEVISM is here in the United States and it's growing quickly. Who's going to fight back? The U.S. Armed Forces. Civil Unrest is coming from a barrel of a gun.

Create your new state government of the United Socialist Democratic of Wisconsin and abolish the Republican Oligarchical regime.

**Mikeg** · February-28-11, 01:52 PM

The Unions WILL not bring Wisconsin back to normalcy until the bill to end collective bargining rights is DEAD!

SOCIALIST WISCONSIN UNIONS! Take back your freedom. You have nothing to lose but your chains.

ON WISCONSIN

NEO-BOLSHEVISM is here in the United States and it's growing quickly. Who's going to fight back? The U.S. Armed Forces. Civil Unrest is coming from a barrel of a gun.

Create your new state government of the United Socialist Democratic of Wisconsin and abolish the Republican Oligarchical regime.

I believe that ^^ just might be a much better English translation of this speech.

**1KielsonDrive** · February-28-11, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeg

I think it is extremely arrogant of the people in Madison Wisconsin - while exercising their Constitutionally-protected rights to assembly and free speech - to attempt to compare themselves with people in Egypt and Libya who are revolting at great personal risk to get out from underneath the crushing dictatorships that have oppressed them for the past 30 to 40 years.

And I totally disagree with you. What is our society all about today? Screaming, name-calling, calls for impeachment, swift boating, etc, etc. I'm not saying it's okay or good, I'm saying it is what it is. It still all goes back to the money in our electoral system.

**Bobl** · February-28-11, 10:53 PM

Had to re post this, stolen from an old facebook comment:
"A public union employee, a tea party activist, and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11 cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, 'Watch out for that union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie.'"

**Gistok** · March-01-11, 01:19 AM

One unrelated item about the state capitol building in Madison... it is the largest of all 50 state capitols... and can hold a LOT of protesters....

**Mikeg** · March-01-11, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Bobl

Had to re post this, stolen from an old facebook comment:
"A public union employee, a tea party activist, and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11 cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, 'Watch out for that union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie.'"

That makes no sense as a parable since it suggests a business relationship between a private enterprise CEO and a public employee union. Try this instead:

A public union employee, a tea party activist, and school board member are sitting at a table watching a plate of a dozen cookies get unwrapped that just arrived from the Michigan Dept. of Treasury. The school board member thanks the employee for donating to his recent election campaign and then they immediately start complaining about the state legislature, the dumb voters who approved Proposition A and the fact that last year they received a dozen cookies plus three crumbs. They finally stop complaining and start divvying up the cookies amongst themselves when the school board member turns to the public union employee and says, "Watch out for that tea party activist. He thinks his daughter's class should be entitled to a piece of your cookie that's going to your union-owned, third party health insurance company."

**Detroitnerd** · March-01-11, 12:13 PM

Yeah, 30 years of Reaganomics and propaganda sure do relieve people of lots of intelligence and a sense of humor...

**Mikeg** · March-02-11, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

Yeah, 30 years of Reaganomics and propaganda sure do relieve people of lots of intelligence and a sense of humor...

Aww, what's troubling you bunky, somebody take a piece of your cookie?

The reality is that two solid years of Progressives relentlessly enacting their agenda and driving the budget deficits to historic highs has relieved millions of people of their good humor and motivated them to become politically involved for the first time in their lives.

**Downtown Lady** · March-02-11, 10:13 AM

What about Bush and crew driving the budget deficits to historic highs for 8 solid years? Were you just as vocal against them? Or were you cool with that?

**ghettopalmetto** · March-02-11, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Mikeg

Aww, what's troubling you bunky, somebody take a piece of your cookie?

The reality is that two solid years of Progressives relentlessly enacting their agenda and driving the budget deficits to historic highs has relieved millions of people of their good humor and motivated them to become politically involved for the first time in their lives.

Ah, now I get it! I *finally* understand why Republicans hated the economic stimulus. They WANTED the banks to fail. They WANTED industry to collapse. They WANTED to return to a 19th-century agrarian economy, where Lazy White Males could retain their inherited wealth, never have to work, live a life of privilege, and piss on everyone else.

Sorry, buddy. The Good Ole Plantation Days are over. Nostalgia is no way to run a country.

**oladub** · March-02-11, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by ghettopalmetto

Ah, now I get it! I *finally* understand why Republicans hated the economic stimulus. They WANTED the banks to fail. They WANTED industry to collapse. They WANTED to return to a 19th-century agrarian economy, where Lazy White Males could retain their inherited wealth, never have to work, live a life of privilege, and piss on everyone else.

Sorry, buddy. The Good Ole Plantation Days are over. Nostalgia is no way to run a country.

A small percentage of 'Lazy White Males' [[why is that capitalized?) may have been able to do so in South Carolina but most everyone would have starved in a 19th-century agrarian economy without working long hours.

Back to Wisconsin: the two year projected budget deficit is $3.6B or $800 per adult couple. That is what has to be addressed. Gov. Tommy Thompson [[R) left Wisconsin in a bit of a fiscal mess. His wife was a schoolteacher and he did lavish money on the schools. He was followed by Gov. Doyle [[D) who managed to use his line item veto to add new ticket spending programs to the State budget. It wasn't that he didn't raise taxes. He even taxed hospital and nursing home patients. Wisconsin mirrors the nation with a big spending Republican executive being followed by an even bigger spending Democratic executive. The party is over, the bill collectors are at the door, but Wisconsin does not have a printing press like the President.

Wisconsin Culture : Cuisine : Cheese : Cheese Curds : Fried Cheese Curds

**ghettopalmetto** · March-02-11, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

A small percentage of 'Lazy White Males' [[why is that capitalized?) may have been able to do so in South Carolina but most everyone would have starved in a 19th-century agrarian economy without working long hours.

Now you understand the Republican agenda: force the vast unwashed masses [[us) to toil endless hours for slave wages and zero chance of advancement, while the small percentage comprising the Plantation Set can sit on their ass, grow rich from our labors, and exploit us to no end. Now you get it.

**Detroitnerd** · March-02-11, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeg

Aww, what's troubling you bunky, somebody take a piece of your cookie?

The reality is that two solid years of Progressives relentlessly enacting their agenda and driving the budget deficits to historic highs has relieved millions of people of their good humor and motivated them to become politically involved for the first time in their lives.

Hahaha. That's rich. Do you not realize that it is the GOVERNMENT -- and that means BOTH parties in the political duopoly -- are ruining this country? That they are ALL beholden to the wealthy and institute their policies? Instead, you just pick one party to cheer and one party to boo while the whole shebang swirls down the toilet? Oh, yes: One party is awful, destroying our country, running up budget deficits, pursuing useless wars, letting unemployment rise and the banks get richer. But here's a hint, fella: The other party is just as awful. As for people like you, getting INVOLVED, you're just getting played. Why can't you take that final step and say BOTH parties are full of it, OK?

**Mikeg** · March-02-11, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

Hahaha. That's rich. Do you not realize that it is the GOVERNMENT -- and that means BOTH parties in the political duopoly -- are ruining this country? That they are ALL beholden to the wealthy and institute their policies? Instead, you just pick one party to cheer and one party to boo while the whole shebang swirls down the toilet? Oh, yes: One party is awful, destroying our country, running up budget deficits, pursuing useless wars, letting unemployment rise and the banks get richer. But here's a hint, fella: The other party is just as awful. As for people like you, getting INVOLVED, you're just getting played. Why can't you take that final step and say BOTH parties are full of it, OK?

Well here's a hint for you fella, your partisan reply in #17 doesn't match your professed bi-partisan philosophy [["BOTH parties... are ruining this country") in #23. Did you get relieved of some of your intelligence somewhere along the way?

**oladub** · March-02-11, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by ghettopalmetto

Now you understand the Republican agenda: force the vast unwashed masses [[us) to toil endless hours for slave wages and zero chance of advancement, while the small percentage comprising the Plantation Set can sit on their ass, grow rich from our labors, and exploit us to no end. Now you get it.

Wow, I didn't even know that South Carolina slave holders voted Republican before the Civil War. Was this a thread about the Republican Party vs. the Democratic Party or what is going on in Madison where a $3.6B two year projected budget deficit has to be erased? Got any ideas how to do that that don't involve southern slavery?

My comment regarding starving stands. Homesteaders in places like Wisconsin would have frozen or starved waiting for government handouts in 1850.