NO!bama SOU, republicrat response, tea-bagger response, no lefties?

[rb336]

I know what I'm talking about.
You seriously think Obama is right of Nixon?

Seriously? yes. Nixon increased spending on social programs, Obama wants to cut them [[or didn't you listen to the SOTU?). While Nixon was Ike's veep, he, like Ike, supported a national single-payer health system, which Obama didn't and doesn't.

[gdogslim]

Sticking to facts and leaving your opinion at home is a good start
Obama wants a universal single payer health system via the public option, that's why he is destroying the private one with ObamaDontCare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Obama has NO choice but to cut programs, the Repubicans control the purse strings now and Obama has to Appear to be going centrists and the country is 15 Trillion in debt, [[not including unfunded)

You are correct that Nixon was not as conservative as the left make him out to be. but
Escalating Vietnam in 69, opening up China giving Russia problems and not taking over companies during the oil crises are not liberal policies.
Automatic growth of entitlement spending that Johnson put in place didn't help deficit spending.
Just as Kennedy wasn't as liberal as many think he was, Kennedy would be considered a right wing hawk according to his record today. Kennedy's Sputnik moment, he promoted the space program to beat Russia in space militarily, which in the end cost trillions, but we did get the internet and Tang out of it and a man on the moon.

[oldredfordette]

You've been snorting Tang! It all becomes clear now.

[ghettopalmetto]

Obama wants a universal single payer health system via the public option, that's why he is destroying the private one with ObamaDontCare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

And for those interested in factual accuracy:

In his view of history, in his respect for tradition, in his skepticism that the world can be changed any way but very, very slowly, Obama is deeply conservative. There are moments when he sounds almost Burkean. He distrusts abstractions, generalizations, extrapolations, projections. It’s not just that he thinks revolutions are unlikely: he values continuity and stability for their own sake, sometimes even more than he values change for the good. Take health care, for example. “If you’re starting from scratch,” he says, “then a single-payer system”—a government-managed system like Canada’s, which disconnects health insurance from employment—“would probably make sense. But we’ve got all these legacy systems in place, and managing the transition, as well as adjusting the culture to a different system, would be difficult to pull off. So we may need a system that’s not so disruptive that people feel like suddenly what they’ve known for most of their lives is thrown by the wayside.”

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...#ixzz1CLuHToiL

[gdogslim]

The very next paragraph.
"Obama’s voting record is one of the most liberal in the Senate, but he has always appealed to Republicans, perhaps because he speaks about liberal goals in conservative language."
That is an opinion from a New Yorker in '07, a liberal slanted mag who wanted to promote Obama to appeal to their readers and try to paint him as a centrists to appeal to white voters.

Obama voted 95% with his party.

Many people who voted for Obama thought they were going to get a bunch of free handouts and increases in their entitlement benefits and now they realize it was an audacity of fantasy.

I'm just going by what obama said on the record and on video, Dems da facts.

[ghettopalmetto]

The very next paragraph.
"Obama’s voting record is one of the most liberal in the Senate, but he has always appealed to Republicans, perhaps because he speaks about liberal goals in conservative language."

What does that have to do with the inaccuate claim you made above? Quoting this paragraph doesn't make your statement any less wrong. There is nothing in this statement that even implies that Obama wants anything resembling a government takeover of the health insurance OR health care industries.

That is an opinion from a New Yorker in '07, a liberal slanted mag who wanted to promote Obama to appeal to their readers and try to paint him as a centrists to appeal to white voters.

You might want to pay attention to the items bounded by the quotation marks, as those are words directly out of Barack Obama's mouth, and thus not the opinion of the New Yorker.

Many people who voted for Obama thought they were going to get a bunch of free handouts and increases in their entitlement benefits and now they realize it was an audacity of fantasy.

Is that so? You gonna name names? Provide sources? Or are you just postulating? AGAIN.

[gdogslim]

Are these all progressives that thinks Obama should have gone way more left on all the issues.?
if so why wasn't it realized before the 2008 election?
Solid pro abortion and 95% voting with your party is not conservative.
Although his minions want to paint him like one, and obama wants to be seen as one, shown by his reagan type comments in his speech. After he got his ass kicked in the last election, he has to try to pull a Clinton and go center, but I don't think it will work, he is a ONE term President and we will be done with him, then the next round begins.

[[again) From Obama's lips to our ears, [[Or is Obama just lying to fool all of us?)
Obama wants a universal single payer health system via the public option, that's why he is destroying the private one with ObamaDontCare, aka cradle to grave socialism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

Fact:
"Obama’s voting record is one of the most liberal in the Senate, but he has always appealed to Republicans, perhaps because he speaks about liberal goals in conservative language."

These are the AUTHORS words per the article.[[aka her opinion): V
In his view of history, in his respect for tradition, in his skepticism that the world can be changed any way but very, very slowly, Obama is deeply conservative. There are moments when he sounds almost Burkean. He distrusts abstractions, generalizations, extrapolations, projections. It’s not just that he thinks revolutions are unlikely: he values continuity and stability for their own sake, sometimes even more than he values change for the good. Take health care, for example.

Yes my opinion: [[I didn't have quotes around it and it wasn't in the article.)
Many people who voted for Obama thought they were going to get a bunch of free handouts and increases in their entitlement benefits and now they realize it was an audacity of fantasy.
I think this is true, as shown in the fiasco at cobo hall when people thought obama was going to give them all his obama stash.

Anyone can say anything, but obama is still a leftie, and will always be. Big government control and he doesn't really care about the little guy, because he would'nt have ruined the economy the way he did.

[oldredfordette]

In other words, don't bother me with facts because I'm going to keep singing this ignorant song over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

[ghettopalmetto]

[[again) From Obama's lips to our ears, [[Or is Obama just lying to fool all of us?)
Obama wants a universal single payer health system via the public option, that's why he is destroying the private one with ObamaDontCare, aka cradle to grave socialism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

Fact:
"Obama’s voting record is one of the most liberal in the Senate, but he has always appealed to Republicans, perhaps because he speaks about liberal goals in conservative language."

These are the AUTHORS words per the article.[[aka her opinion):
In his view of history, in his respect for tradition, in his skepticism that the world can be changed any way but very, very slowly, Obama is deeply conservative. There are moments when he sounds almost Burkean. He distrusts abstractions, generalizations, extrapolations, projections. It’s not just that he thinks revolutions are unlikely: he values continuity and stability for their own sake, sometimes even more than he values change for the good. Take health care, for example.

How STUPID do you think we are, gdogslim?

Your selective quoting missed this key statement in the New Yorker article, from one Barack Obama. I deleted the commentary for continuity of the statement actually quoted.

“If you’re starting from scratch, then a single-payer system would probably make sense. But we’ve got all these legacy systems in place, and managing the transition, as well as adjusting the culture to a different system, would be difficult to pull off. So we may need a system that’s not so disruptive that people feel like suddenly what they’ve known for most of their lives is thrown by the wayside.”

Where's the liberal opinion of the New Yorker in that quote? Where's the dismantling of our health care system? Where's the rampant socialism?

The FACT is, what you call "ObamaCare" should more appropriately be entitled "NewtCare", as EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED TENET of the new health insurance reform was proposed by Republicans--in the 1990s. But I guess the Newt Gingrich-led House in the 1990s was just a bunch of commie bastards who hated happiness and puppies and sunshine.

[1KielsonDrive]

[QUOTE but obama is still a leftie, and will always be. Big government control and he really doesn't care about the little guy, because he would have ruined the economy the way he did.[/QUOTE]

So let's just deal with the facts: you're an extreme rightie. Further to the right than most anyone in the history of this country because conservatism is dead and has been for many years, thanks to talk radio, talk teevee, corporate funded elections, etc, etc. Of course, you consider NO!bama to be a left-wing, librul type. Compared to you, he is! Almost anyone in our country who doesn't spew anti-guvmint, anti-abortion, anti-tax, anti-union, anti, anti, anti, ad-infinitum, is a leftie-librul. And he's black, or at least partially black. That scores him high on the leftie-librul scorecard for anyone to the extreme right. As far as big-guvmint and all that crap, Reagan and Bush ran up bigger deficits than any and probably all librul presidents in the entire history of our country. Of course the demicans helped them do it, because most demicans for, oh say, about the last 30 years, are righties themselves. They just don't speak all of the rightie bull shit day to day. Though I believe they hold most of the same views. C'mon, let Rushie and Billy do your talking for you. Oh yeah, and the preachers.

[gdogslim]

I don't know you or care about your IQ level. Maybe you just know things that are wrong, I don't know.
You ask: "as EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED TENET of the new health insurance reform was proposed by Republicans--in the 1990s."
No it wasn't. Where are your facts to back it up.

If it was true, that means you like conservatism and that conservatism is the way to go correct?

I knew what Reagan, said, he didn't want socialist care. And Nobama sir, you are no Reagan.
But he did his best to talk like Reagan in parts of his SOTU, but Obama isn't that good of an actor, it fell flat, like Nobama's economic policies.

you ask: ""Where's the dismantling of our health care system? Where's the rampant socialism?""
Well shall we take a little lookie see at that? I will educate you some more but it is getting old.
NobamaDontCare doesn't go into fully effect until 2013 and later, AFTER Nobama loses the election.
WHY is this? why wait if it is soo good?
Why are they taxing us years before we can receive NobamaDontCare?
Then you ask why was it sooooo important to have it now now now if people are dying, because the dems knew they might lose the election and would not get it passed later, simple.

As Obama said several times http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

In other words passive aggressive media drive by one liners keep some misinformed,

[ghettopalmetto]

I don't know you or care about your IQ level. Maybe you just know things that are wrong, I don't know.
You ask: "as EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED TENET of the new health insurance reform was proposed by Republicans--in the 1990s."
No it wasn't. Where are your facts to back it up

Right here, chief:

Review a few of the Republican initiatives included in legislation passed by Congress:

• Includes personal responsibility incentives: Allows health insurance premium to vary based on participation in proven employer wellness programs
  
  • [[Sources: H.R. 3468, “Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act” [[Castle bill); H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” [[Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” [[Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” [[Kirk bill), "Coverage, Prevention and Reform Act")
• Advances medical liability reform through grants to States: Provides grants to States to jump-start and evaluate promising medical liability reform ideas to put patient safety first, prevent medical errors, and reduce liability premiums.
  
  • [[Sources: S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” [[Enzi bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” [[Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America’s Future Act” [[Ryan bill); S. 1099, “Patients’ Choice Act” [[Burr-Coburn, Ryan-Nunes bill))
• Extends dependent coverage to age 26: Gives young adults new options.
  
  • [[Sources: H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” [[Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” [[Kirk bill))
• Allows automatic enrollment by employers in health insurance: Allows employee to opt-out.
  
  • [[Sources: House Republican Substitute; H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” [[Republican Study Committee bill); “Coverage, Prevention, and Reform Act” )
• Mechanisms to improve quality.
  
  • [[Sources: H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America’s Future Act;” S. 1099, “Patients’ Choice Act;” H.R. 3400, Republican Study Group bill; S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” [[Enzi bill))

• Community Mental Health Centers. The President’s Proposal ensures that individuals have access to comprehensive mental health services in the community setting, but strengthens standards for facilities that seek reimbursement as community mental health centers by ensuring these facilities are providing appropriate care and not taking advantage of Medicare patients or the taxpayers.
  
  • [[Source: H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act”)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-car...publican-ideas

[maxx]

The speech was a good move to the center.A pragmatic person such as Obama understands nothing will get done in DC in the next two years unless there is a move to the center.

That's a laugh considering that the center has shifted to the right in the last 20 or so years.

Why cant-shouldnt ALL points of view be allowed air time on national television?

Yes, if the lunatic fringe on the right can have their spokeswoman, other groups should have their response time too. Especially since the Tea Party is bought and paid for by a couple groups including the Kochs.

[gdogslim]

So you are saying some Repubicans introduced bills, that never passed, then the democrats took them and put them in Obama care?. Because the the democrats wouldn't let the republicans in on the bill, Obama said they could go to the back of the bus.
This isn't health care 'right' this is 'government takeover' of 1/6 of the economy.
Health care isn't in a crises, like the libs want to pretend, we are in a government crises of over spending, over promising, and over lying.


Max Baucus, so called author of Obamacare, [[some say Robert Creamer from jail [[just like Hilter) admits he never read his own bill. ObamaDon'tCare.
During the debate over what later became the health care bill that was recently signed into law by President Obama, a number of federal representatives and senators both admitted that they had not read it. Some, including Rep. John Conyers [[D-Mich.) even boasted of this fact. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi- said that “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
Presumably the actual people who wrote the bill might have at least some idea what was in it. Unfortunately that isn’t the case with Max Baucus [[D-Mont.), lead sponsor of the Senate bill that became law.
According to Baucus, the idea of him reading a bill allocating nearly $1 trillion of federal funds is “a waste of time:” http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...d-his-own-bill

The tea party members will remember to vote in 11/2012, and ObamaDontCare will take him down,
If Egypt's problems don't.

[oldredfordette]

In other words, don't prove your point to me, I hate Obama and have a huge hole in my brain where information would otherwise live. gdog, you're digging yourself deeper.

[maxx]

gdog: The tea party members will remember to vote in 11/2012, and ObamaDontCare will take him down,

You're talking about the people who love their Medicare benefits but just don't think anyone else deserves them? The people who don't even know Medicare is a gov. program?

[1KielsonDrive]

There you are. The problem in a nutshell. People who love their ?????? whatever it may be, but just don't think anyone else deserves them. That's what our nation has come to. There is no longer a common good, a shared responsibility. It's all about ME, MINE. I want MY tax cuts, MY guns, MY ?????

[Big Dog]

Great observation and post Kiel..........

[gdogslim]

I look at it as a macro economic level and what is good for the individual [[as it should be, and as how this country was founded, on individual liberty). Not me me me me what's government gonna do for me. Most everyone needs support now and then to get back on their feet, not not forever
Why are so many brainwashed into thinking that the government is so good and righteous.
The government IS the problem.
When the Fed govt [[mafia) TAKE our tax money and dumps it in the treasury [[trough).
They take [[skim-tribute) for themselves about 33% of every dollar for the bloated bureaucrats.
That is less money they have to give back to [[bribe) the states and voters with.
An then when they do give our money [[67%of it) back to us, it is doled out to local war lords who give it to their pals who donated money to their campaign or big voting block constituents [[unions).

What urban area with mostly black residents has improved on a whole city scale [[not little pet projects) in the US in the last 40 years from government involvement after trillions have been redistibuted? I can't think of one.

Whoever doesn't know medicare isn't a guvment program probably should be in a mental hospital.
BTW, to make NobamaDontCare's cooked books look better, The libs Took 500 billion from Medicare and transferred it to ohohbamadontcare's plan. So your mothers medicare benies are going to shrink .

Is anyone better off now, will you be better off in another two years, I would say no.

[Detroitnerd]

Ah, yes: people who post on the Internet about how government is the problem. Ever hear the one about them? How they wake up to an alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy? Then they take a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility? Then they turn on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration has determined the weather will be like, using satellites designed, built and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration? Or how they then eat a breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs that have been determined safe by the Food and Drug Administration?

More about these people: At the appropriate time, as regulated by U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, as well as the U.S. Naval Observatory, they get into their National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved auto and set out to work on the roads built by local, state and federal departments of transportation. Before leaving the house, they drop any mail they have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service. Then they drop the kids off at public school, and possibly stop to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank.

After work, they drive their NHTSA car back home on DOT roads, to a house that didn't burn down thanks to local and state building codes and mandatory government inspections. It has not been robbed, thanks to the local police department.

Then, after all that, they log onto the Internet, developed by the Pentagon, and post all about how government is bad. Very bad.

Of course, that's why it's so hard to take all this anti-government talk very seriously. And it doesn't take long to figure out that people who are "anti-government" are actually very pro-government, as least as it relates to improving their lives and ensuring their safety and comfort.

Often, what they are actually opposed to is a government that improves the lives of all people. Or other people. Or those people.

And that's just sad.

[maxx]

gdog: They take [[skim-tribute) for themselves about 33% of every dollar for the bloated bureaucrats.

Your source for this?

Here's a quick summary of the 2011 budget.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...s/budget-2010/

And here is Ben & Jerry's 2005 analysis of the federal budget showing how the military budget stacks up against education programs. And the W military budget didn't include the Iraq war. That was what Kim Campbell called "Enron accounting" on Bill Maher's show recently; big ticket items were off the books.
http://www.truemajority.org/oreos/

[1KielsonDrive]

When the Fed govt [[mafia) TAKE our tax money and dumps it in the treasury [[trough).
They take [[skim-tribute) for themselves about 33% of every dollar for the bloated bureaucrats.
An then when they do give our money [[67%of it) back to us, it is doled out to local war lords who give it to their pals who donated money to their campaign or big voting block constituents [[unions).


Whoever doesn't know medicare isn't a guvment program probably should be in a mental hospital.
BTW, to make NobamaDontCare's cooked books look better, The libs Took 500 billion from Medicare and transferred it to ohohbamadontcare's plan. So your mothers medicare benies are going to shrink .

Is anyone better off now, will you be better off in another two years, I would say no.

You can say anything you want. Unfortunately you're speaking outta the side of your mouth. Something about the Feds dumping money into the treasury? The republicrats dumped a trillion or two into a war or two. Sure the demicans assisted the republicrats in anyway they could, but it was dumped under a republicrat presidente and his complicit administration. The same republicrats gave a trillion dollar tax cut to the very wealthiest at the same time they were dumping a trillion or two into a war or two. Hmmm, two negatives equal what? I don't think it's a positive. If in fact the demicans took 500 billion from Medicare to use for medical care, it's a much better use than a war or two. In case you don't know, single payer medical coverage is more important than ever. We have many, many service persons returning from a war or two, that have suffered severe injuries and will require care for their entire lives. As opposed as I am to No!bama's extremely feeble attempt at ?universal? health coverage, he didn't dump that money on a pallet and ship it, via Haliburton, to Iraq, never to be seen again. Ummm, I think that was Cheney/Bush? So, are you making the case that our tax dollars are safer under republicrats? Well......

[1KielsonDrive]

I think the presidential debates are put on by a corporation so left of center view points are obviously going to be a threat to corporate power.........These personalities, left and right, live in a different world so to speak, and pretend to know what the average American wants and needs.

Two points that I've continually tried to make in my posts. Thank you.