NYE Smoking Protest

**tarkus** · December-31-10, 07:59 AM

Are there any bars anyone knows of that are participating in the smoking protest? I want to drink for free so if they can break the law, I wont pay my tab. Fair is fair

**milesdriven** · December-31-10, 10:15 AM

If I head up to Detroit today, I will be participating, but will also be paying my tab. I know where I can smoke, but I'm keeping it a secret so nobody gets in trouble.

**Big Dog** · December-31-10, 11:26 AM

Damn tobaccobaggers.

gdogslim · December-31-10, 12:03 PM

Go to the casino's, Jenny gave the unions and 'Big Casino' owners a sweetheart deal so the State can take more of you money legally that you lose there.

I don't think security will take to kindly to you if you 'drink and dash'.
Light up a big fat cigar for me and smell up the upstairs cigar lounge at MGM.

**Hamtragedy** · December-31-10, 12:12 PM

How much have KENO sales been affected by the ban? A bar owner in Hamtown told me sales were off by 8 million May-November, but I have no verification. The press always sidesteps Lottery sales when reporting on the ban.

**pffft** · December-31-10, 12:18 PM

So, are we going to hear the new governor called "Ricky" in the New Year or are the "Jenny" type jibes only for female govs?

**1KielsonDrive** · December-31-10, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by tarkus

Are there any bars anyone knows of that are participating in the smoking protest? I want to drink for free so if they can break the law, I wont pay my tab. Fair is fair

Ha, ha. Funny. Won't be any protests in my place. Not that I'm against a good protest. After all, it's the lifeblood of our democracy?, idiocracy?......

**1KielsonDrive** · December-31-10, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by pffft

So, are we going to hear the new governor called "Ricky" in the New Year or are the "Jenny" type jibes only for female govs?

Let's hope 'Rick' doesn't give us any reasons to call him 'Tricky Dick'.

**Novine** · December-31-10, 08:09 PM

Little Ricky?

FoxyScholar10 · December-31-10, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Novine

Little Ricky?

Pretty Ricky....

LOL!

Anyhoo.... that smoking ban protest is "cute". Sacrificing people's health for an extra dime, right? Ok.... Notice I didn't say one's OWN health....

Somebody should start start a SECONDHAND smoking ban. How about that?

Happy New Year!

bartock · December-31-10, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by pffft

So, are we going to hear the new governor called "Ricky" in the New Year or are the "Jenny" type jibes only for female govs?

I try not to see isms in everything, so I guess I'll disagree. Besides, it is more of a product of her "we're so cool at EVERYTHING" and her catch phrases that make "Jenny" a very appropriate moniker, in my opinion.

As Granholm practically asked for the "Jenny" moniker by using cutesy phrases and gimmicky soundbites, Rick Snyder will be called "The Nerd" forever.

**reddog289** · January-01-11, 01:49 AM

I was a good boy and avoided the situation, This law as good as it seems for the health of the public as it seems to be intended, Well is kinda like the whole don't ask don't tell deal.
I was at a certain bar for a period of time and it seemed everyone took their shifts smoking, Meaning everyone at that Bar WAS A SMOKER.They went outside and smoked.
A few months later it was like it was before May the 1st minus the ashtrays. I smoke and respect Non Smokers,even in my own house for the most part.I don't know for the most part which Bars have gained customers, Or have lost customers due to this law. But there seems to be an impact on certain Bars that they would do this.
As I have stated before about this law, Just another feel good,fluff law making it look like your government is looking out for you.

**eno** · January-01-11, 01:03 PM

Nonsmokers should arrive armed with water pistols and shoot out the offensive end of the lit cigarette. Wouldn't that be justified as self-defense

**rid0617** · January-01-11, 02:33 PM

Personally I think it should be up to the bar/restaurant owner. No one forces a non smoker to go into a smoking establishment. If the majority of customers want non smoking the cash register will reflect it and the owner will change the rules. It's easy to make rules when it's not your financial security at stake.

**DanFromDetroit** · January-01-11, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by eno

Nonsmokers should arrive armed with water pistols and shoot out the offensive end of the lit cigarette. Wouldn't that be justified as self-defense

Or maybe they could vote with their wallet and go to a bar that chooses not be smoke-free.

/non-smoker

**maxx** · January-01-11, 07:17 PM

Smoke all you want to. Just don't exhale and pollute the air I'm breathing.

**eno** · January-01-11, 07:21 PM

Sorry DFD, the law is on the side of the non-smoker after years of having to suffer the consequences of secondhand smoke. There was no choice back then.

Perhaps if you've experienced watching a loved one slowly die from the illness borne by smoking it would clarify the issue for you.

**DanFromDetroit** · January-01-11, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by eno

Sorry DFD, the law is on the side of the non-smoker after years of having to suffer the consequences of secondhand smoke. There was no choice back then.

Perhaps if you've experienced watching a loved one slowly die from the illness borne by smoking it would clarify the issue for you.

Sorry for your loss but perhaps they should have avoided situations wherein second hand smoke was present. I managed to find bars that were smoke free when I was still in Michigan. It really wasn't that tough & I've never "suffered" from seconhand smoke, I just avoided it. People who are allergic to cats generally avoid cats, unless they really love cats and suffer the consequences of their actions. It's pretty straightforward.

**adamjab19** · January-02-11, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by DanFromDetroit

Sorry for your loss but perhaps they should have avoided situations wherein second hand smoke was present. I managed to find bars that were smoke free when I was still in Michigan. It really wasn't that tough & I've never "suffered" from seconhand smoke, I just avoided it. People who are allergic to cats generally avoid cats, unless they really love cats and suffer the consequences of their actions. It's pretty straightforward.

Come on. For real, only up until a few years ago was there any real smoke free establishments and usually those were the family coney places really. Not any of the bars I went to were smoke free until they were forced to, not one. Sure there were a few that went smoke free just before the ban, but before that there were very few choices if any to have a legitmate smoke free night out on the town.

**Thruster315** · January-02-11, 03:19 AM

I'm curious as to how other places that have banned smoking have dealt with this issue. I know that California and New York City have done this and does anyone know of the effects on the local populace there? Has it hurt businesses there? Or has it helped in other ways? Is this ban also something we just might not be able to see the long term benefits just yet??

As an ex-bar/ restaurant worker, I never enjoyed being around the second hand smoke and as a patron to many local water holes, I like the non-smoking atmosphere. I can honestly leave an establishment and not smell like I smoked. Heck, just on the dry cleaning bills alone- I've probably saved a small fortune [[which is probably bad for dry cleaners' bottom line now, eh?)

That being said, I still have no issues with smokers of having to go outside to have a cigarette. Sometimes I wonder if smokers realize how much their "personal" act of smoking can actually affect others in the immediate vicinity.

**jerrytimes** · January-02-11, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by eno

Nonsmokers should arrive armed with water pistols and shoot out the offensive end of the lit cigarette. Wouldn't that be justified as self-defense

No, because their self defense would be just not going to a place where people are smoking. They had that right before the ban too, but didn't care.

**rid0617** · January-02-11, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by eno

Sorry DFD, the law is on the side of the non-smoker after years of having to suffer the consequences of secondhand smoke. There was no choice back then.

Perhaps if you've experienced watching a loved one slowly die from the illness borne by smoking it would clarify the issue for you.

I don't think the science is 100% on that. Too many variables. My grandfather who worked at the tech center died at 59 with lung cancer, never smoked a cigarette in his life. My mother is 79, smokes 2 packs a day and the doctor told her she still had the lungs of a 16 year old after listening to them. I think it's more genes and the other chemicals we consume through food and water.

**rid0617** · January-02-11, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by jerrytimes

No, because their self defense would be just not going to a place where people are smoking. They had that right before the ban too, but didn't care.

No one forced anyone to go into a smoking establishment. Just another issue where everyone expected government to give them their way rather than they make the choice on their own. Oh I'm a non smoker. Gave it up 24 years ago because the price went up.

**rid0617** · January-02-11, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Thruster315

I'm curious as to how other places that have banned smoking have dealt with this issue. I know that California and New York City have done this and does anyone know of the effects on the local populace there? Has it hurt businesses there? Or has it helped in other ways? Is this ban also something we just might not be able to see the long term benefits just yet??

As an ex-bar/ restaurant worker, I never enjoyed being around the second hand smoke and as a patron to many local water holes, I like the non-smoking atmosphere. I can honestly leave an establishment and not smell like I smoked. Heck, just on the dry cleaning bills alone- I've probably saved a small fortune [[which is probably bad for dry cleaners' bottom line now, eh?)

That being said, I still have no issues with smokers of having to go outside to have a cigarette. Sometimes I wonder if smokers realize how much their "personal" act of smoking can actually affect others in the immediate vicinity.

A lawsuit was filed in nearby North Carolina because many bars and restaurants are about to go belly up due to the loss of smokers business. Here in SC overall it's up to the individual cities. Greenville passed a ban and everyone went to Spartanburg, 15 miles away. Spartanburg appreciates the increase of business during tough times.

muskie1 · January-02-11, 09:34 AM

A few years ago a long time bar/restaurant near my house switched owners and re-opened as a smoke free bar. They managed to stay in business for about a year. I do not smoke but always had the common sense to know when I went to a bar it would be there. I still think it should have been up to the bar owners. I can see a ban in food establishments but at least in my area I have seen a huge decline in the amount of people going into bars.
Avoiding second hand smoke is something that if a person is worried about at least they can see it. I can't wait until the gov. decides that anyone stupid enough to drive a car more than 2 yrs. old will have to get rid of it because of the excess pollution it causes. I mean come on, you are not going to a bar to get any healthier.