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    Default Top Ten Anti-Israel Lies

    The 2010 Top Ten Anti-Israel Lies
    Published by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, Los Angeles, CA [[Adapted by FLAME)
    LIE #1
    Israel was created by European guilt over the Nazi Holocaust. Why should Palestinians pay the price?

    The Truth: Three thousand years before the Holocaust, before there was a Roman Empire, Israel's kings and prophets walked the streets of Jerusalem. The whole world knows that Isaiah did not speak his prophesies from Portugal, nor Jeremiah his lamentations from France. Revered by its people, Jerusalem is mentioned in the Hebrew scriptures 600 times—but not once in the Koran. Throughout its 2,000-year exile there was continuous Jewish presence in the Holy Land, with the modern rebirth of Israel beginning in the 1800s. Reclamation of the largely vacant land by pioneering Zionists blossomed into a Jewish majority long before the onset of Nazism.

    After the Holocaust, nearly 200,000 Shoah survivors found haven in the Jewish State, created by a two-thirds vote of the UN in 1947. Soon 800,000 Jews fleeing persecution in Arab countries arrived. In ensuing decades, Israel absorbed a million immigrants from the Soviet Union and thousands of Ethiopian Jews. Today, far from being a vestige of European guilt or colonialism, Israel is a diverse, cosmopolitan society, fulfilling the age-old dream of a people's journey and 'Return to Zion'- their ancient homeland.

    LIE #2
    Had Israel withdrawn to its June 1967 borders, peace would have come long ago.

    The Truth: Since 1967, Israel has repeatedly conceded "land for peace." Following Egyptian President Sadat's historic 1977 visit to Jerusalem and the Camp David Peace Accords, Israel withdrew from the vast Sinai Peninsula and has been at peace with Egypt ever since.

    In 1995, Jordan signed a peace treaty with Israel but neither the Palestinians nor 21 other Arab states have done so. In 1993, Israel signed the Oslo Accords ceding administrative control of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority [[formerly the PLO). The PA never fulfilled its promise to end propaganda attacks and drop the Palestinian National Charter's call for Israel's destruction.

    In 2000, Prime Minister Barak offered Yasser Arafat full sovereignty over 97% of the West Bank, a corridor to Gaza, and a capitol in the Arab section of Jerusalem. Arafat said NO. In 2008, PA President Abbas nixed virtually the same offer from Prime Minister Olmert. In 2005, Prime Minister Sharon unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. Taken over by terrorist Hamas, they turned dismantled Jewish communities into launching sites for suicide bombers and 8,000+ rockets into Israel proper. In 2010, Prime Minister Netanyahu renewed offers of unconditional negotiations leading to a Palestinian State, but Palestinians refused, demanding more unilateral Israeli concessions, including a total freeze of all Israeli construction in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

    LIE #3
    Israel is the main stumbling block to achieving a two-state solution.

    The Truth: The Palestinians themselves are the only stumbling block to achieving a Two-State solution. With whom should Israel negotiate? With President Abbas, who, for four years, has been barred by Hamas from visiting 1.5 million constituents in Gaza? With his Palestinian Authority, which continues to glorify terrorists and preaches hate in its educational system and the media? With Hamas, whose Iranian-backed leaders deny the Holocaust and use fanatical jihadist rhetoric to call for Israel's destruction?

    Today, it is a simple fact that while the State of Israel is prepared to recognize all Arab States, secular or Muslim, these states adamantly refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish State and demand "the right of return" of five million so-called Palestinian "refugees"—a sure guarantee for Israel's demise.

    LIE#4
    Nuclear Israel not Iran is the greatest threat to peace and stability.

    The Truth: Though never acknowledged by Jerusalem, it is generally assumed that Israel has nuclear weapons. But unlike Pakistan, India, and North Korea, Israel never conducted nuclear tests. In 1973, when its very survival was imperiled by the surprise Egyptian-Syrian Yom Kippur attack, many assumed Israel would use nuclear weapons—but it did not. Contrary to public condemnations, many Arab leaders privately express relief that Israeli nuclear deterrence exists. While Israel has never threatened anyone, Tehran's mullahs daily threaten to "wipe Israel from the map." The U.S. and Europe can afford to wait to see what the Iranian regime does with its nuclear ambitions. But Israel cannot. She is on the front lines and remembers every day the price the Jewish people paid for not taking Hitler at his word. Israel is not prepared to sacrifice another six million Jews on the altar of the world's indifference.

    LIE #5
    Israel is an Apartheid State deserving of International Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaigns.

    The Truth: On both sides of the Atlantic, church groups, academics and unions are leading deceitful and often anti-Semitic boycott campaigns demonizing what they call the Jewish "apartheid" State.

    The truth is that unlike apartheid South Africa, Israel is a democratic state. Its 20% Arab minority enjoys all the political, economic and religious rights and freedoms of citizenship, including electing members of their choice to the Knesset [[Parliament). Israeli Arabs and Palestinians have standing before Israel's Supreme Court. In contrast, no Jew may own property in Jordan, no Christian or Jew can visit Islam's holiest sites in Saudi Arabia.

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    littlebuddy Guest

    Default Top Ten Anti-Israel Lies, part 2

    LIE #6
    Plans to build 1,600 more homes in East Jerusalem prove Israel is 'Judaizing' the Holy City.

    The Truth:
    Enemies of Israel exploit this phony issue. Jerusalem is holy to three great faiths. Its diverse population includes a Jewish majority with Muslim and Christian minorities. Since 1967, for the first time in history, there is full freedom of religion for all faiths in Jerusalem. Muslim and Christian religious bodies administer their own holy sites. Indeed, the Waqf [Arab authority] is allowed to control Jerusalem's Temple Mount, even though it rests on Solomon's temple and is holy to BOTH Jews and Muslims.

    Meanwhile, Jerusalem's municipality must meet the needs of a growing modern city. The unfortunately-timed announcement during U.S. Vice President Biden's visit of 1600 new apartments in Ramat Shlomo, was not about Arab neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, but for a long established, heavily populated Jewish neighborhood in Northern Jerusalem, where 250,000 Jews live [[about the same population as Newark, N.J.)—an area that will never be relinquished by Israel.

    LIE #7
    Israeli policies endanger U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The Truth:
    The charge that Israel endangers U.S. troops in Iraq or the AF-Pak region is an update of the old "stab in the back" lie that Jews always betray their own friends, and the libel spouted by Henry Ford and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that "Jews are the father of all wars."

    U.S. General Petraeus has stated he considers Israel a great strategic asset for the U.S. and that his earlier remarks linking the safety of U.S. troops in the region to an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal [[which 2/3 of Israelis want) were taken out of context. A resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict would benefit everyone, including the U.S. But an imposed return to what Abba Eban called "1967 Auschwitz borders" would endanger Israel's survival and ultimately be disastrous for American interests and credibility in the world.

    LIE #8
    Israeli policies are the cause of worldwide anti-Semitism.

    The Truth:
    From the Inquisition to the pogroms, to the 6,000,000 Jews murdered by the Nazis, history proves that Jew-hatred existed on a global scale before the creation of the State of Israel. In 2010, it would still exist even if Israel had never been created. For example, one poll indicates 40% of Europeans blame the recent global economic crisis on "Jews having too much economic power," a canard that has nothing to do with Israel.

    The unsettled Palestinian-Israeli dispute aggravates Muslim-Jewish tensions, but it is not the root cause. During World War II, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a notorious Jew-hater, helped the Nazis organize the 13th SS Division, made up of Muslims. Unfortunately, in addition to respectful references to Jewish patriarchs and prophets, the Koran also contains virulent anti-Semitic stereotypes that are widely invoked by Islamist extremists, including Hezbollah [[whose agents blew up the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in 1994), to justify murdering Jews worldwide. The disappearance of Israel would only further embolden violent Jew-haters everywhere.

    LIE #9
    Israel, not Hamas, is responsible for the "humanitarian catastrophe" in Gaza. Goldstone was right when he charged that Israel was guilty of war crimes against civilians.

    The Truth:
    The Goldstone Report on Israel's defensive war against Hamas-controlled Gaza, from which 8,000 rockets were fired after Israel's unilateral withdrawal in 2005, is a biased product of the UN's misnamed Human Rights Council. The UNHRC is obsessed with false anti-Israel resolutions. It refuses to address grievous human rights abuses in Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Cuba and beyond.

    Faced with similar attacks, every UN member-state including the U.S. and Canada would surely have acted more aggressively than the IDF [Israel Defense Forces] did in Gaza.

    Yet, Richard Goldstone, a South African Jewish jurist, signed a document prepared by investigators whose main qualification was rabid anti-Israel bias. He accepted every anonymous libel against the IDF. But he insisted that hearings in Gaza be televised, guaranteeing that fearful Palestinians would never testify about Hamas' use of civilians as human shields and their hiding of weapons in mosques and hospitals. Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz denounced Goldstone's Report as a modern "blood libel" accusing Israeli soldiers of crimes they never committed.

    LIE #10
    The only hope for peace is a single, bi-national state, eliminating the Jewish State of Israel.

    The Truth:
    The one-state solution, promoted by academics, is a non-starter because it would eliminate the Jewish homeland. However, the current pressures on Israel are equally dangerous. In effect, the world is demanding that Israel, the size of New Jersey, shrink further by accepting a three-state solution: a PA state on the West Bank and a Hamas terrorist state controlling 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza. All this, as Hezbollah, Iran's proxy in Lebanon, stockpiles 50,000 rockets, threatening northern and central Israel's main population centers.

    In 2010, most Middle East experts believe that the only hope for enduring peace is two states with defined final borders. But too many diplomats, pundits, academics and church leaders ignore the fact that current polls show that while most Israelis favor a two-state solution, most Palestinians continue to oppose it.

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    pure hasbra clap trap...

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    do you get paid to post this ... AIPAC should be proud

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-ros..._b_797287.html

    Peace will come as the peace camps become powered by what is just and right.. Tikkun Olam to heal this fractured universe will take courage and honesty. That is something that lacks in the realities of how this conflict is played out in MSM. The truth is both sides are a victim to each others extremists and the BIBI government is so involved in the continuation of lies that they are as much a reliable partner as the thugs in Hamas. Time for a reality check...both sides of this debate better start examining the humanity of each other.. The settlers and Hamas are a starting point... u have settlers joining the police force and IDF at a higher rate...and these people are in charge of protecting Palestinians from settlers... there has been a spike in the destruction of Olive trees ... what is so special about this? Think what a 75 year old tree represents for a family. When settlers poison a tree they are poisoning a lifeline to a community... enough of this senseless violence.. Today the AIPAC or should I say congress introduced a bill stating that Palestinians can not unilaterally declare a state... shouldn't these smucks be working on our economy?

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    When I saw the thread topic.... I already knew it was our "Israel can do no wrong" forumer.....

    The Simon Wiesenthal Center.... while I won't say anything negative about them... they're hardly what one would call impartial about Israel.....

    It's just too bad littlebuddy had to waste 2 threads for his ramblings....

    Cut/Paste and then never debate... that's what I call a great discussion.... NOT....

    Lowell... please merge the threads....
    Last edited by Gistok; December-15-10 at 10:24 PM.

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    Gibran... you notice that his cut/pasting skills were never in doubt....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Gibran... you notice that his cut/pasting skills were never in doubt....

    LOL I should be verklempt... He didn't cite the source.

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    I wish for this holiday season the doves of peace fly stronger than the hawks of war.. Peace Gistok.

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    opps I saw the citation.. Generally the foundation is a bastion of human rights except when it comes to the Palestinians.

    FLAME are another story... they publish an ongoing diatribe in NEWSMAX [[ I believe that the name) or whatever the Mudroch Klan publish and love to bash moderates.
    Last edited by gibran; December-16-10 at 12:52 AM.

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    I was hoping no one would comment. Yes, these are verbatim from the Flame ads that run in the newspapers monthly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlebuddy View Post
    LIE #5
    Israel is an Apartheid State deserving of International Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaigns.

    The Truth: On both sides of the Atlantic, church groups, academics and unions are leading deceitful and often anti-Semitic boycott campaigns demonizing what they call the Jewish "apartheid" State.

    The truth is that unlike apartheid South Africa, Israel is a democratic state. Its 20% Arab minority enjoys all the political, economic and religious rights and freedoms of citizenship, including electing members of their choice to the Knesset [[Parliament). Israeli Arabs and Palestinians have standing before Israel's Supreme Court. In contrast, no Jew may own property in Jordan, no Christian or Jew can visit Islam's holiest sites in Saudi Arabia.
    Sorry, but South Africa was a democratic nation as well. The actual Arab minority here is the minority living in the original boundaries. Once you get to the occupied West Bank communities, the story is as bad or worse than apartheid

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    The Truth: Three thousand years before the Holocaust, before there was a Roman Empire, Israel's kings and prophets walked the streets of Jerusalem.
    And Paris was once a Roman town. Shall the world demand that it be given to the Italians? Should we give Grenada to the Arabs? And China could claim a lot of real estate going back to the Great Khan. I'm surprised they didn't use the argument that their god had given Israel to the Jews. That's what Israelis teach their children today.

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    Red you are so right ... I bit it too

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    LIE#4
    Nuclear Israel not Iran is the greatest threat to peace and stability.

    The Truth: Though never acknowledged by Jerusalem, it is generally assumed that Israel has nuclear weapons. But unlike Pakistan, India, and North Korea, Israel never conducted nuclear tests. In 1973, when its very survival was imperiled by the surprise Egyptian-Syrian Yom Kippur attack, many assumed Israel would use nuclear weapons—but it did not. Contrary to public condemnations, many Arab leaders privately express relief that Israeli nuclear deterrence exists. While Israel has never threatened anyone, Tehran's mullahs daily threaten to "wipe Israel from the map." The U.S. and Europe can afford to wait to see what the Iranian regime does with its nuclear ambitions. But Israel cannot. She is on the front lines and remembers every day the price the Jewish people paid for not taking Hitler at his word. Israel is not prepared to sacrifice another six million Jews on the altar of the world's indifference.



    Why can't they admit they even have nukes in the first place? Obama and Hillary both sidestepped the question....what gives?

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    the war of words continues and the people probably will always be fodder for leaders to gain support for votes against the enemy.
    i do know you don't see jewish people blowing themselves up in public or airports or terrorizing nations to submit to a religion. i do know no matter how much they give up it is never enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdogslim View Post
    i do know you don't see jewish people blowing themselves up in public or airports or terrorizing nations to submit to a religion.
    Hahaha. Frankly, it seems like you don't know jack shit.

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nadia-..._b_798142.html

    Peace is in the hands of the peacemakers..however they are not in charge of the process... Dennis Ross is totally ineffective... So is the PA whose hands are tied with ocuntless bogus offers...BIBI is extremely knowledgable on how to play the US... and has always been a closet hater.. So who? there are so many peace camps in Israel that include Palestinians, that we only wish we had them here to help push this forward. in the USA. Jewish voices for Tikkun Olan is a strong and a wonderful voice ...and all we have to do is find the groups that match a dream for a secure Israel and a viable and continous Palestine... The sad fact that this is the time o fthe year that we should all [[all people) be saying next year in Jerusalem...for it should be a center of peace ..instead a center of greed.

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    This is the silent tragdy that is shared by all faiths and is the most endangered group in the ME:

    American Task Force on Palestine
    PRESS RELEASE
    Contact: Rafi Dajani
    Washington, D.C., November 1, 2007 – The American Task Force on Palestine [[ATFP) and The Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation [[HCEF) held a Capitol Hill briefing this week featuring four Christian mayors of Palestinian towns in the West Bank. The panel focused on the causes for the population decrease of the Palestinian Christians to below 2 percent of the population, attributing it mainly to the economic stresses resulting from Israeli occupation measures such as checkpoints and the route of the separation barrier, a vast majority of which is built on occupied Palestinian land.
    The mayor of Bethlehem, Dr. Victor Hanan Jubrail Batarseh, referred to the wall as ‘a snake’, saying, it has ‘strangled the community; economically, psychologically, and educationally’ causing the Palestinian Christians to emigrate. The economic strangulation has led to nearly 70% of the West Bank population living under the poverty line, said the mayor of Birzeit, Mr. Yousef Nasser. He continued saying, “Unemployment has risen 200% due to the check points,” which not only inhibit the movement of people but also shipments of produce. Mr. Nasser stressed the need for the removal of the checkpoints in order for the economy to improve. Without an improved economy, the Christian population will continue to decrease. This is why Dr. Batarseh stressed the need for peace , asking for a ‘bridge of love,’ to be built, not a ‘wall of separation.’
    “Historically, it has been easier for the Palestinian Christian population to emigrate due mainly to family ties in the West, although Palestinian Muslims are emigrating in significant numbers too if they are able,” said ATFP executive director Rafi Dajani who moderated the panel. “Emigration of either community has nothing to do with religious tensions between the two communities and attempts to portray it as such are meant to deflect blame away from the main reason, the Israeli occupation.”

    All sides are responsible for the ethnic cleansing of a people ... little buddy and his Evangelical Christian right does not even recognize these people as true Christians... funny they have been there 2000 years and still getting the cross.

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    With all that the West Bank Palestinians have to enture under occupation... here's a little bit of news that helped out their financial plight...

    .... "joy seemed to prevail in Bethlehem, the West Bank town where Jesus was born, which bustled with its biggest crowd of Christian pilgrims in years"....

    And to think... it was peaceful and no one got blown up!!

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    This is as good a time as any to remember what the Christians of Bethlehem and the surrounding area have to endure.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...east-nina-shea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    This is as good a time as any to remember what the Christians of Bethlehem and the surrounding area have to endure.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...east-nina-shea
    Ummm... when you say Bethlehem... and the sourrounding area... you might want to change that to "the entire Middle East"....

    Sad, but true... this is a legacy of the war in Iraq....

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    Yep and it's not just the Muslim population that treats the Christians like shit. The Jews in Israel also discriminate but you aren't going to hear that in the American media. Now, you can defend Israel by saying that it is the most open and free stronghold in the ME, but that isn't good enough.

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    LIE #7
    Israeli policies endanger U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/op...arsh.html?_r=1
    "...Not surprisingly, the Arab states have never hesitated to sacrifice Palestinians on a grand scale whenever it suited their needs. In 1970, when his throne came under threat from the Palestine Liberation Organization, the affable and thoroughly Westernized King Hussein of Jordan ordered the deaths of thousands of Palestinians, an event known as 'Black September.'...”

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    The flavor of the day is certain Egyptian figures blaming Israel for the bombing of the Coptic Church in Alexandria. Then of course on the flip side you have Israelies saying Pollard wasn't a spy so go figure.

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