The Patriot Act Makes ME Feel Safer [[cuz I'm a sheeple..)

DetroitDad · May-06-09, 08:59 PM

16 year old busted for alleged bomb threat, and stripped of due process under "Patriot Act"

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867

"Lundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not.

Her argument was ignored, she said. Agents seized a computer, a cell phone, gaming console, routers, bank statements and school records, according to federal search warrants.

"There were no bomb-making materials, not even a blasting cap, not even a wire," Lundeby said.

Ashton now sits in a juvenile facility in South Bend, Ind. His mother has had little access to him since his arrest. She has gone to her state representatives as well as attorneys, seeking assistance, but, she said, there is nothing she can do.

Lundeby said the USA Patriot Act stripped her son of his due process rights."

DetroitDad · May-06-09, 09:06 PM

http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w93.html

It's been said that a lie is a poor way to say "hello." It is also the standard greeting one receives from government employees, particularly those who carry guns.

Around 10:00 p.m. on March 5, a wolf-pack of armed men gathered at the front door of the Lundeby family's home in Oxford, North Carolina.

When she answered the doorbell, Annette was greeted with the sight of a State Highway Patrolman who introduced himself with a lie. Things went dramatically downhill from there.

"He told me that my son Ashton had committed a hit-and-run with somebody's car," Annette told Pro Libertate in a phone interview. "I said, 'No, that's not true – it was exactly the reverse; he was on the receiving end of a hit-and-run, and that was last January.'"

The State Trooper's lie was a pretext to rouse the home-schooled teenager from bed and bring him to the doorstep. Once the falsehood shattered against Mrs. Lundeby's polite resolve, however, the pretense was dropped and roughly a dozen armed men in body armor stormed into her home....

ccbatson · May-08-09, 12:23 AM

Those lies were designed to keep calm in a situation in which the agents in the field were under the impression that they were dealing with someone potentially dangerous. The purpose was to accomplish the mission with the least likelihood of violence and apprehend a suspect [[rather than incite a potentially violent scene).

**d.mcc** · May-08-09, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Those lies were designed to keep calm in a situation in which the agents in the field were under the impression that they were dealing with someone potentially dangerous. The purpose was to accomplish the mission with the least likelihood of violence and apprehend a suspect [[rather than incite a potentially violent scene).

So you can manipulate someone into forfeiting their rights???

**oladub** · May-08-09, 08:52 AM

Wired Magazine reports that this kid actually was making bomb threats to schools.

Teenage Bomb Threat Suspect Was Internet Prank-Call Star

ccbatson · May-09-09, 04:55 PM

He forfeited his rights by his actions...not by way of the enforcement of the appropriate laws governing those actions.

DetroitDad · May-09-09, 10:36 PM

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

They need to treat him as innocent until they can prove that he did it without a reasonable doubt, in a court of law.

ccbatson · May-10-09, 03:16 PM

Innocent until proven guilty applies to formal charges, not detaining somebody for just cause.

**Bobl** · May-10-09, 07:11 PM

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
Benjamin Franklin

Lorax · May-10-09, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Innocent until proven guilty applies to formal charges, not detaining somebody for just cause.

You keep stepping in it, Batty.

So with your logic, Tush & Cheney could pick you up, render you to a foreign black-site prison and detain you for say...6 years with no charges, no access to an attorney, press, family, etc?

Well, that's what's been going on, and to AMERICAN CITIZENS, not only foreign fighters. The Bush Fascists had been picking up American citizens, normal, everyday people who were mistakenly accused of being "enemy combatants", and it was all a lie.

Only prison and bankruptcy will make the Tushies understand what it's like to be humbled. I hope the EU court system arrests all of them and imprisons them for life. Too bad our justice system is so politicized and scared shitless to do anything about it.

You and your repugnican fascist friends need to go establish your own nation and not shred our constitution for your own socially retarded, unamerican views.

**Big Dog** · May-10-09, 08:04 PM

Wow! That is some reply alright.

**ghettopalmetto** · May-10-09, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Innocent until proven guilty applies to formal charges, not detaining somebody for just cause.

Are you aware of the concept known as "habeus corpus"???

Lorax · May-10-09, 09:13 PM

CCBatty is like that little head that sticks up on the shoulder of someone who's bothered by conscience. The host stays dormant while the little head screams the mantra of the Repugnican Reich.

He's a perfect parrot to Yawn "the manatee" Hannity, Lush Bimbao, Shrill O'Reilly, Glenda Speck, Michael "Weener" Savage, Roger Hedgehog, Michael "cheezer stache" Medvedev, Mann Coultergeist, Big Dick "toe sucker" Morris, Bill "high roller" Bennett, etc, etc.

What does this rogue's gallery of general miscreants and social retards have in common?

They all liplock the teats of Rupert Murdoch- the slithering succubus of fascist tabloid tripe called Newscorp.

How's that for a little "truth in advertising," eh?

**oladub** · May-10-09, 10:47 PM

Lorax, Sen. Barack Obama voted YES on March 1, 2006, on reauthorizing the Patriot Act [[Patriot Act II). That's ok?

**rb336** · May-11-09, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by ghettopalmetto

Are you aware of the concept known as "habeus corpus"???

don't you remember? the republicans believe that just because the constitution says habeus corpus can't be suspended, it doesn't mean the right exists!

**oladub** · May-11-09, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

don't you remember? the republicans believe that just because the constitution says habeus corpus can't be suspended, it doesn't mean the right exists!

I pulled out my scorecard.

In the House-
Republicans foted 211-3 in favor of the Patriot Act
Democrats voted 145-62 in favor of the Patriot Act

In the Senate-
All Senators voted for the Patriot Act cxcept for Russell Feingold [[D-WI).

Lorax · May-11-09, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by oladub

Lorax, Sen. Barack Obama voted YES on March 1, 2006, on reauthorizing the Patriot Act [[Patriot Act II). That's ok?

Yeah, and George Bush decreed the Mariannas Islands a protected wildlife refuge.

We all step out of character once in a while.

Obama happened to be wrong about that.

Republicans, including Cheney still refuse to throw Limbaugh under the bus. I guess being a racist, anti-semitic, bigoted, chauvinistic, mysiogonistic, homophobe- and drug addict isn't enough.

Perhaps Limbaugh needs to be found with a live boy, or a dead girl to get the message across.

Hell, running around his 40,000 sq. ft. mansion in Palm Beach in 18th century knee breeches and powdered wigs isn't enough, apparently. Yes, he's been known to pull a Giuliani every so often.

**rb336** · May-11-09, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Lorax

Perhaps Limbaugh needs to be found with a live boy, or a dead girl to get the message across.

He was busted with a viagra prescription with someone elses name on it while on a flight back from a resort infamous for child prostitution, so my guess is no, even that wouldn't do it

DetroitDad · May-11-09, 01:38 PM

Anything with a name like "Patriot Act" should have been viewed as someone trying to play emotions to further their agenda.

Lorax · May-11-09, 06:00 PM

The funny thing about legislation and how it's named under the Repugnican Reich, and how developers name subdivisions is eerily similar.

What ever the legislation is called, is always the opposite of what the legislation does.

Patriot Act = spying on Americans
Clean Air Act = dirty air
Clean Coal Technology = pollution
No Child Left Behind = all children left behind

Subdivisions have the same bizarre names

Old Orchard = where an orchard used to be, now only houses

Babbling Brook = brook filled in for housing development

Rose Terrace = where the Dodge Mansion use to be, roses were also mowed under

etc. etc.

**Detroitej72** · May-11-09, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

He was busted with a viagra prescription with someone elses name on it while on a flight back from a resort infamous for child prostitution, so my guess is no, even that wouldn't do it

He did brag that he had a great time, but wouldn't tell anyone about it. That pretty much admits he was doing something that he wants kept quiet.

However, with his ditto heads, he could tack advantage of their wives, and they would claim she seduced him. The sheep will never leave his flock because they think of him as their dear leader.

Lorax · May-11-09, 06:28 PM

Brush Lintball is the Caftan Warlord of the Repugnican Reich.

**oladub** · May-11-09, 08:15 PM

Lomax, "We all step out of character once in a while.
Obama happened to be wrong about that."

True enough but I don't think this is wildly out of character for Obama. After all he also voted twice to allow and then expand Bush's wiretapping and doesn't seem adverse to restrictions abridging free speech. On January 20, he signed an executive order designed to reduce the transparency of some of his personal records.