Paul Supporters Attack Protester

**Pam** · October-26-10, 01:15 PM

http://bluegrasspolitics.bloginky.co...conway-debate/

A MoveOn.org activist trying to get close to U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul on Monday was shoved to the ground by supporters of Paul and stomped on, according to Lexington police.

Police are seeking the public’s help identifying people involved in the assault on liberal activist Lauren Lizabeth Valle, 23, outside the studios of Kentucky Educational Television before a debate Monday night between Paul and Democrat Jack Conway.

**Big Dog** · October-26-10, 01:37 PM

The worlds coming to an end.

**MCP-001** · October-26-10, 01:52 PM

Moveon.org used Rule No. 5, and it backfired on her.

I'm not condoning the boot to the neck, but when you have someone clearly disguised and running up to a candidate unannounced like that, she did deserve to be restrained.

**bailey** · October-26-10, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by MCP-001

Moveon.org used Rule No. 5, and it backfired on her.

I'm not condoning the boot to the neck, but when you have someone clearly disguised and running up to a candidate unannounced like that, she did deserve to be restrained.

was the blonde wig and fake certificate THAT threatening?

**Papasito** · October-26-10, 04:00 PM

Valle was trying to get her picture taken with Paul and present him an employee of the month award from RepubliCorp, a fictional name MoveOn is using around the country to illustrate its argument that right wing groups are pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the election to help the GOP take back Congress, said Eliza Brinkmeyer, a spokeswoman for MoveOn

http://bluegrasspolitics.bloginky.co...conway-debate/

Random people can't expect to get up close and personal to high exposure politicians without being concerned of the risk involved in doing so. Imagine if a Tea Partier tried to do this to the President ........ Secret Service might beat them to a pulp! Or worse, shoot them if they thought the President was at risk [[after all, Tea Partiers are all radical right wing extremists, right?)! People take a risk when approaching politicians, movie stars, or public figures. Many such people have ruthless bodyguards. Try climbing on stage at a rock concert and running at the front man....try Steven Tyler of Aerosmith or Diddy..... if you are lucky, you might only be picked up and dragged off stage and not beat up.

Do I think these guys used excessive force against this woman?
Probably.
And though it is wrong, she had to know ahead of time that some risk is involved when approaching a potential Senator with negative intentions.
Those guys who pinned her down should possibly only have restrained her or respectfully escorted her a safe distance away. They should be prosecuted.

The flip side is that random people may now be able to get up close and personal to politicians, because now politicians will fear repercussions of having that random person restrained, and open up risk of assasination or bodily harm.
I'm not sure where to draw the line on this one.
I guess hire professional bodyguards and not let random schmucks defend you......!

**oladub** · October-26-10, 05:08 PM

The article also mentioned a female Paul supporter who's foot was stomped on in the same ruckus but the title of this thread does not reflect that. This poor woman in the video, who was shoved to the ground, has been having lots of problems lately. Here she is [[Lauren Valle) in a mug shot of after being arrested this May for unauthorized entry of a critical infrastructure and unauthorized entry of an inhabited dwelling in Louisiana. http://www.lpso.net/pressrelease.asp?id=927 Two years ago, she had the misfortune of handcuffing herself to a CITI office building protesting something else; perhaps President Obama's vote for the Wall Street bankers which profited CITI Corp..

At any rate, violence on either side should not be tolerated. Paul's campaign banned the guy from future events and issued a statement ""The Paul for Senate campaign is extremely disappointed in, and condemns the actions of a supporter last night outside the KET debate. Whatever the perceived provocation, any level of aggression or violence is deplorable, and will not be tolerated by our campaign. The Paul campaign has disassociated itself from the volunteer who took part in this incident, and once again urges all activists -- on both sides -- to remember that their political passions should never manifest themselves in physical altercations of any kind."

It was unfortunate for Paul who had a good night debating his opponent by one account. Morning Joe Roundtable: Paul More Senatorial In KY Debate and then the latest poll came out giving Paul a 7% lead. The take down video might hurt Paul however because it gives his opponent Jack Conway [[actually John W. Conway III) another issue beside Aqua Buddha to base his campaign on.

**Jimaz** · October-26-10, 06:03 PM

The fools let themselves get filmed hitting someone who was already down. I never approved of the term "Rethuglican" but in this case it seems perfectly appropriate.

Curiously, the OP article didn't mention an affiliation of the one who stomped on Foster's foot.

**oldredfordette** · October-26-10, 07:20 PM

Blaming the victim. Awesome.

**Jimaz** · October-26-10, 08:21 PM

From Raw Story's Rand Paul’s newspaper ad touts endorsement of ‘the Curbstomper’:

His partner in the assault, tea party activist Mike Pezzano -- who actually wore a "Don't Tread on Me" sticker as Proffit stomped the woman's head -- has not yet been targeted by law enforcement.

Oh, the irony.

Googling the full names of both victims finds only three nearly identical stories. Why has Foster so suddenly vanished from the coverage? Hmm?

**oladub** · October-26-10, 09:40 PM

John W. Conway III didn't have any issues that resonated with Kentucky voters. The Aqua Buddha thing sort of fizzled out. At last an issue the liberal press can run with; poor defenseless woman gets brain concussion from having her head repeately kicked and stomped on - or at least her shoulder. No need now to discuss cap and trade, amnesty, more stimulus, more rules and regulations, high unemployment, etc. because Rand Paul sent his goons out with with special instructions to find a woman to beat up.

No need, of course, to discuss the other incident at the same rally. The press doesn't even seem interested in taking names but then it really doesn't fit in with the agenda. "The second occurred after a Conway supporter stepped on the foot of a female Rand supporter, who recently had foot surgery, according to police. The woman was wearing a surgical boot, but after the injury, her incision was cut open. Police say she refused medical treatment and also filed an assault report." -kypost.com

Another report from a presumably biased Rand Paul supporter-
It was pretty tense. Conway's side had bussed in some people, so only about half of the Conway were local. You could tell, the local ones were cool. The others were very aggressive and hostile. I got assaulted with a sign while there, but I had a sign of my own and got him back. Don't fuss at me, I used like force, and I am a 5' woman.
So everyone was riled up. When Conway got there, he was allowed to get out of his vehicle and into the building. We did break into a verse of "Hit the road Jack" but we didn't try to get near him or anything.
We had been alerted that she was from moveon.org, so everyone was keeping an eye on her anyway.
When Rand arrived, the Conway people spread out through the parking lot to harrass him on his way in, so some of us went too. We had supporters with signs running alongside his vehicle to keep the Conway folks off of Rand.
When he got to the building entrance and the vehicle stopped, this woman rushed toward it. Someone was yelling "stop her, stop her!" so someone stopped her. First guy just wrestled her to the ground. You can hear people yelling "get the cops!" well that was us too, not someone trying to protect her. She wasn't hurt, she was grinning there on the sidewalk."

"It's funny, no one is reporting the other "incident" there. A friend of mine who just had surgery on her foot, wearing a boot, had her foot stomped by one of these thugs. I hope she will be okay. She sat in a chair with her foot bleeding, but all cameras were on the girl. She was right next to the girl but no one interviewed her. Guess you gotta be a paid troublemaker from moveon.org to get press." -http://dailypaul.com/node/147604

**gibran** · October-26-10, 10:38 PM

two wrongs dont make a right.. or actually sometimes they do make a right but that's usually wrong LOL

**MCP-001** · October-27-10, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by bailey

was the blonde wig and fake certificate THAT threatening?

And carrying what besides that?

Papasito summed up most of what I would have said very nicely.

**Papasito** · October-27-10, 09:03 AM

They used excessive force.

And let's get real here, "Rethuglicans" aren't the only ones who use excessive force.
How about the environmentalist that stormed a tv channel with guns a blazin?
Or the registered Democrat who flew his plane into a tax building?
Or the President who is currently in office while homes full of civilians are being blown up by "accident" in Afghanistan by our weapons?

Excessive force and un necessary violence is wrong, and also is not partisan.

In Rand Paul's case, if he was so concerned for his safety, had he hired professional bodygaurds, they would have been trained to handle situations like this more professionally.
The people who did this are guilty of assault and should be prosecuted.

**bailey** · October-27-10, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by MCP-001

And carrying what besides that?

Papasito summed up most of what I would have said very nicely.

It's not the MoveOn.org folks bringing AR-17s to the National Mall for protests about "obamacare". The militant wackos spouting off about the use of "Second Amendment solutions" to take "our" country back are all on one side of the table...and it ain't the one that movon is on. There are appropriate responses to a hippy in a blond wig carring a stupid sign trying to get a photo. curbstomping her is not on that list.

**MCP-001** · October-27-10, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by bailey

It's not the MoveOn.org folks bringing AR-17s to the National Mall for protests about "obamacare". The militant wackos spouting off about the use of "Second Amendment solutions" to take "our" country back are all on one side of the table...and it ain't the one that movon is on. There are appropriate responses to a hippy in a blond wig carring a stupid sign trying to get a photo. curbstomping her is not on that list.

AR-17's?

Not familiar with that one.

I'd also recommend re-reading what I posted earlier. I didn't agree with the "curbstomping", but only containing this professional protestor.

You seem to forget that very benign items can be hidden.

Code Pink pouring who knows what in the Capitol Building.

Sen Levin getting creamed with a pie [[literally).

As well as items that are not.

When Obama's buddy, Bill Ayres blew up the Pentagon in '72, the bomb he used was very small and weighed only two pounds.

**Jimaz** · October-27-10, 11:56 AM

I don't think anyone who would excuse a thug caught in the act of assaulting a defenseless woman when she's already down has any opinion worth hearing. It's difficult to imagine an act more cowardly than that. Some people have no shame.

Here's Ed's take on it.

**blackmath** · October-27-10, 01:16 PM

This protester must have known something was going to happen when she did this... Sure, that guy stomping on her was really insult to injury and he was stupid enough to do it on camera and I don't care who you are - kicking someone when they are down is an act of a coward so he should be dealt with, but I can't help but think that this was a glaring publicity stunt by the website she represents. This happened in Kentucky, a place not known for its progressiveness so she must have thought someone would do something to her. She was probably hoping the cops would beat her up or tazer her, it makes for better footage for the website. After all, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Also, it's really hilarious that someone who is so anti corporate America and anti establishment goes to an Ivy League school - the very incubator of the Establishment. Fight the power indeed.

**gazhekwe** · October-27-10, 02:26 PM

Did you see the guy in the plaid shirt who was pushing her to the ground? She was already down and he reached around and grabbed her breast. That doesn't seem necessary.

**Detroitej72** · October-27-10, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by MCP-001

When Obama's buddy, Bill Ayres blew up the Pentagon in '72, the bomb he used was very small and weighed only two pounds.

Obama's buddy? In 1972, the president was all of 11. Was he following on his big wheel?

You right wing extremists never cease to amaze me with your propaganda. Why not talk about the close warm personal relationship that exists between the Bush and Bin Ladin Clans? How about Prescott Bush's warm relationship with Hitler?

BTW, the Rand supporter who stomped the young lady sure proved his lack of manhood by striking a female. Typical right wing thug.

**MCP-001** · October-27-10, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitej72

Obama's buddy? In 1972, the president was all of 11. Was he following on his big wheel?

You right wing extremists never cease to amaze me with your propaganda. Why not talk about the close warm personal relationship that exists between the Bush and Bin Ladin Clans? How about Prescott Bush's warm relationship with Hitler?

BTW, the Rand supporter who stomped the young lady sure proved his lack of manhood by injuring a female. Typical right wing thug.

Try a little later when he was working with the community leafletter on campaigns back in the 90's in Illinois.

I should spell things out nice and slow since reading comprehension has taken another nose-dive.

Bad people wanting to do bad things can hide the means to do so very easily.

**gazhekwe** · October-27-10, 03:09 PM

People who do bad things can turn their lives around and do good, like Bill Ayres. I never will understand the reluctance to let people contribute to a society they once injured. Isn't that the whole idea?

**Jimaz** · October-27-10, 06:42 PM

Maxx posted this related article elsewhere: Rand Paul volunteer seeks apology from liberal activist he stomped.

Oh. Really?

**tvaspen** · October-27-10, 10:05 PM

Anybody that tries to justify this curbstomping of a 110 pound woman by a fat redneck pussy and his gang of thugs, is as big an asshole as the stomper.

**Detroitej72** · October-28-10, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by tvaspen

Anybody that tries to justify this curbstomping of a 110 pound woman by a fat redneck pussy and his gang of thugs, is as big an asshole as the stomper.

Welcome to the Tea Party, a party of thugs who want to return to a country that feels that anyone who is not a white protestant male is unworthy to vote, own property, and certainly not worthy to hold office.[[as evident by the birther's, an off-shoot of the tea-bagger nation)

Welcome to the KKKlan of the 21st century!

**rjk** · October-28-10, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Detroitej72

Welcome to the Tea Party, a party of thugs who want to return to a country that feels that anyone who is not a white protestant male is unworthy to vote, own property, and certainly not worthy to hold office.[[as evident by the birther's, an off-shoot of the tea-bagger nation)

Welcome to the KKKlan of the 21st century!

It's funny how Juan Williams got raked over the goals and lost his job because he stereotyped Muslims. Aren't you basically doing the same thing? Taking the actions of a few and painting with a broad brush?

The political talk show hosts on MSNBC do this all the time. Funny, because these are the same people who will scream the loudest if one of their chosen groups is stereotyped.
Some peoples hypocrisy knows no bounds.