Why so quiet guys?

DumplingDude · June-02-10, 12:24 PM

On Obama that is. After all, he has made one mistake after another and no negativity like that which was dealt Bush.

I mean c'mon,dont forget your president also. Why didnt Obama and the democrats know that for the past 11 months, the well was having problems? The democrats have been in charge since 2006. Why didnt they know there was a problem? Maybe because Obama took more money from BP then any other politician? Why did Obama believe for so long everythign BP was telling them? Why didnt they immediately tell BP, do what you have to do but also start drilling a secondary well? Why did it take so long to begin the drilling? Why did the EPA stop the dispersal chemical after so many damn tons were dumped in the water? Why are the business' along the gulf starving and why isnt the government pushing BP to aid them financially? People are starving and Obama is doing nothing about it? Where was the national guard for the first 3 weeks of the leak? As Obama recently said, BP shoudl have 10,000 skimmers cleaning the waters. Obama said the government is in charge. WELL? Where are the damn skimmers? Workers are getting ill cleaning up the mess. What is the air quality? Why is the government covering up the air is not safe to breath? Why did he hire someone to oversee MMS who absolutely hasn't a clue?Where are the gas masks to protect the workers? Why doesnt Obama give a shit about the workers? Because they are white? Obama and the democrats have performed like pieces of dirt at a time of a national emergency. Absolutely disgusting dereliction of duty.

Don't get me started about Obama's renditions and torture of "innocent" combatants that deserve civil rights.By rhe way, what happened to all that whining about the wars fellas?

I could go on but whats the use. Its like beating a dead horse with a stick. Its the same damn people. All of them. Wake up. Take the pill and snap out of it.

**Detroitnerd** · June-02-10, 01:00 PM

So your point is that we have a corrupt government composed of two equally venal parties? No argument there.

DumplingDude · June-02-10, 01:04 PM

Not just that, but the brainwashing of the masses.The deliberate divisiness and theft of our country .

I just want to know who they work for and what is their ultimate goal.

Ultimately, what is our out as a people against them.

**Detroitnerd** · June-02-10, 01:15 PM

Well, first of all, stop watching the idiot box. Don't read mainstream American newspapers. Don't listen to American radio stations. Get your news from overseas sources. The American media is about as tightly controlled as Pravda was under the Soviets.

Discuss issues and not people. The politics of personality is just a trap. Every time an American responds to an issue question with, "But Obama ..." or "But Bush ..." -- it is a failure to discuss and understand the issues, which are what really matter.

Organize. Find something that matters to you and organize a group around it.

Reject the two-party system. They are only there to bait you to one side and blind you to the real issues. Support third parties and grass-roots organizations. Be peaceful, but firm in your demands. You can't please everybody, and you shouldn't try to.

Retroit · June-02-10, 01:28 PM

Blaming Obama for the oil spill is as illogical as blaming Bush for Katrina. The truth is that we needed, and still need, better methods for prevention and containment of oil spills. You mean to tell me that an oil company can figure out how to find and tap oil thousands of feet underground, but can't figure out how to collect oil flowing out of a pipe or skim oil floating on water???

**313WX** · June-02-10, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by DumplingDude

After all, he has made one mistake after another and no negativity like that which was dealt Bush.

Haven't you've been watching Fox News or listening to talk radio?

If anything, the negativity being dealt is worse. The difference is, unlike with Bush, the right wing is grasping at very short & thin straws as everything Obama has done so far wasn't nearly as bad as the things Bush did.

**Detroitnerd** · June-02-10, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Retroit

Blaming Obama for the oil spill is as illogical as blaming Bush for Katrina. The truth is that we needed, and still need, better methods for prevention and containment of oil spills. You mean to tell me that an oil company can figure out how to find and tap oil thousands of feet underground, but can't figure out how to collect oil flowing out of a pipe or skim oil floating on water???

That's a good point too: critical thinking. If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If something doesn't make sense to you, it's a sign it could be BS. We'd have more and better democracy if we simply said to our leaders, "You can't expect me to believe that. You'll have to do better."

Bearinabox · June-02-10, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Retroit

Blaming Obama for the oil spill is as illogical as blaming Bush for Katrina. The truth is that we needed, and still need, better methods for prevention and containment of oil spills. You mean to tell me that an oil company can figure out how to find and tap oil thousands of feet underground, but can't figure out how to collect oil flowing out of a pipe or skim oil floating on water???

Why should they bother trying to figure out how to deal with oil spills? There's no profit in it.

**firstandten** · June-02-10, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

That's a good point too: critical thinking. If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If something doesn't make sense to you, it's a sign it could be BS. We'd have more and better democracy if we simply said to our leaders, "You can't expect me to believe that. You'll have to do better."

As a society we have lost critical thinking skills a long time ago. A de-emphasis on liberal arts training at the post secondary level. At the K-12 level you get crap like the Texas school book mess. People, because they don't like to read or do research relie on [[not exclusively, but mostly on RW) talking points rather than do the research.

Go to the few fact check sites on the web. I bet at least 7 to 8 out of 10 fact checks that they do are from Repubs that go anywhere from a misrepresentation to an out right lie. And people continue to believe.

The problem with the two party system is that both parties drink from the same trough of big business. I'm sure the founding fathers didn't mean for the political system to work in that fashion. I'll state this again. The fear that I have for a national third party is that 1/3 plus one of the popular vote could win the election. I feel that the majority of people should be in favor of the president that is voted in. The electoral college while not always in tune with the popular vote is generally close enough so that there is a mandate for the winner.

**Detroitnerd** · June-02-10, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by firstandten

As a society we have lost critical thinking skills a long time ago. A de-emphasis on liberal arts training at the post secondary level. At the K-12 level you get crap like the Texas school book mess. People, because they don't like to read or do research relie on [[not exclusively, but mostly on RW) talking points rather than do the research.

Go to the few fact check sites on the web. I bet at least 7 to 8 out of 10 fact checks that they do are from Repubs that go anywhere from a misrepresentation to an out right lie. And people continue to believe.

The problem with the two party system is that both parties drink from the same trough of big business. I'm sure the founding fathers didn't mean for the political system to work in that fashion. I'll state this again. The fear that I have for a national third party is that 1/3 plus one of the popular vote could win the election. I feel that the majority of people should be in favor of the president that is voted in. The electoral college while not always in tune with the popular vote is generally close enough so that there is a mandate for the winner.

We probably need more than a third party. We probably need five or six parties to get to the point where they have to hammer out a coalition government. And we should probably outlaw political donations as well. [[I know, I know...)

lincoln8740 · June-02-10, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by 313WX

If anything, the negativity being dealt is worse. The difference is, unlike with Bush, the right wing is grasping at very short & thin straws as everything Obama has done so far wasn't nearly as bad as the things Bush did.

Now that is funny!

Come talk to me when they make a movie about assassinating obama and then you might have a point

Worse? Sorry had to re-read the quote just to make sure that is what you said

really?

Worse?-Still shaking my head

**gibran** · June-02-10, 06:13 PM

dude where do you find your facts [[back these claims of racism and neglect up)...what could the coast guard do when BP told them one thing and it was worse than anyone imagined...

dude it is like a comet heading towards earth...we would like to have the president wish it away...but sometimes we just don't have the science to blow the comet up...this oil spill is a disaster beyond anything we could have imagined...but even TB Pickens and other experts are not putting the blame on Obama..and the comment of 'because workers are white"...wow [[that's about all I can say to that one and where you lost me)...I do agree that we need to move rapidly to compensate the people of the coast and protect them form environmental hazards of they are participating in clean up..but many are acting on their own.

**oldredfordette** · June-02-10, 06:57 PM

Obviously this guy hasn't read any of the threads, he just showed up and posted.

ferntruth · June-02-10, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by lincoln8740

Now that is funny!

Come talk to me when they make a movie about assassinating obama and then you might have a point

Worse? Sorry had to re-read the quote just to make sure that is what you said

really?

Worse?-Still shaking my head

Yes, worse. What part of that didn't you understand? Shall I spell it for you? W..O..R..S..E.
Does that help?

While you are shaking your head in mock indignation, let me ask you:
how many anti-Bush protestors did you see carrying signs making reference to his race? Not many, I would wager.
How many times was the place of Bush's birth ridiculously disputed? Not many, I would wager.
The teabagger and other Republican protests go beyond political, they attack him personally.

Right Wingers are great at accusing others of that which they themselves are guilty of. This is just another example.

and by the way, "Death of a President" is a British film, so complain to them if you are unhappy with it.

lincoln8740 · June-02-10, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by ferntruth

and by the way, "Death of a President" is a British film, so complain to them if you are unhappy with it.

when did the post ever refer to "American" criticism?

way to split hairs there bud

I think there is a shock to the leftists out there where the bastion of liberal ideology-the New York times editorial page--has to start criticizing the Messiah for the first time.

Even dowd got in on the game today, maybe they feel the need to get on the bus due to the likelihood of kissing the ass of a one term President will make them look like idiots.

I can just imagine the glowing editorials about Carter back in the day

54% disapproval rating and sinking like a stone.

but hey at least he closed Guantanamo--oops wait......

**rb336** · June-03-10, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by lincoln8740

Come talk to me when they make a movie about assassinating obama and then you might have a point

Worse? Sorry had to re-read the quote just to make sure that is what you said

really?

Worse?-Still shaking my head

Really? there was a movie about assasinating dubya? when?

Bush flat-out lied, had the hubris to ignore pointed warnings from the outgoing admin of a pending attack, decided it was better to make up a story to justify going after a vendetta than to go after the real bad guys, had one of, if not the highest, rates of corruption of any administration, allowed billions to go to crony corporations on no-bid contracts citing "national security"

name ONE thing that has happened during Obama's administration that is even in the same universe of wrongness as those

**East Detroit** · June-03-10, 09:37 AM

Wait... which quarterback is wearing red and which one is wearing blue? And where's the popcorn?

**firstandten** · June-03-10, 11:08 AM

Couple of things to consider. The Obama administration is facing an unprecedented amount of obstructionism from this Congress. The filibuster has been taken to a whole new level under his administration.

Now the filibuster has a place in politics but this is being done to undermine and de-legitiminize the administration and his presidency.

Even with that, there isn't anybody on the Repub side that can make him a one-term president.

**oladub** · June-03-10, 11:55 AM

firstandten: "Couple of things to consider. The Obama administration is facing an unprecedented amount of obstructionism from this Congress. The filibuster has been taken to a whole new level under his administration.

Now the filibuster has a place in politics but this is being done to undermine and de-legitiminize the administration and his presidency."

'unprecedented' obstructionism? How could that be? Democrats have a solid majority in both houses. The only semblance of filibustering that I can remember is when Senator Jim Bunning [[R) tried to get Democrats to abide by a financing rule that they had passed only a couple of weeks before. Even Jimmy Carter dealt with more obstuctionism than President Obama because Teddy Kennedy created a fifth column in addition to that of minority Republicans during his presidency. To the extent that President Obama was obstructed in his health care bill's passage, it had as much to do with corporatist interests trying to get the bill right before they allowed it to pass.

**Papasito** · June-03-10, 12:12 PM

The Obama administration is facing an unprecedented amount of obstructionism from this Congress.

Yeah, that made me laught, too. Obama can get anything passed he wants. Even if every single Republican votes against a Democratic proposal, it won't stop anything from being passed.

It's funny to see the Obama sheep come out with claws and fangs out to defend thier annointed one any time someone criticizes him. Almost as funny as the braindead Republicans were when Bush II was criticized. But after 8 years of calling Bush II a monkey, an idiot, a criminal, a self proclaimed king, terrorist, chimp in chief, a tyrant, and much much more, can't you take a little bit of your own medicine?

Oh yeah, and I like how this statement keeps coming out from the Obama sheep:
"A black man won, get over it"
I would expect a comment like that to come from someone with white guilt, or racial overtones that they cant get out of thier own mind.

Here's a reality check: Poor Leaders come in all colors, shapes, and sizes.
It is our right, as a free people, to debate and discuss them.

**Detroitnerd** · June-03-10, 01:30 PM

You guys are falling into the partisan trap.

**barnesfoto** · June-03-10, 02:01 PM

I wonder how long the right ring parrots are gonna keep up this "angry independent" schtick going? It's about as genuine as a dollar store power tool.

It certainly is starting to look like the shrill cackles of "socialism" regarding the Janitor President are as baseless as the predictions of the UN Sponsored one world Socialist Government Conspiracy that certain right wing nutjobs warned us about in the 1990's.

If a three party system is the answer, why is Mexico not prospering? They've had a conservative president for a decade now, and before that had two decades of neocons pretending to be centrists...There's a smaller leftist party that allowed itself to be robbed of the presidential election of 1988, which garnered barely a peep from American Media outlets accused of being "leftist" like the NYT. So much for the wisdom of a 3 party system...

Perhaps we need a publicly funded system of elections with no parties.

**Papasito** · June-03-10, 02:17 PM

They've had a conservative president for a decade now, and before that had two decades of neocons pretending to be centrists...

Bush II was not a Conservative. Well, at least not a good one.
Small Governement? Nope. He made it bigger.
Secured Borders? Nope. He left it wide open.
Abortion? Nope. Laws stayed the same.
Strong Language and Culture? Nope. He did nothing to make English the official language.
Fiscal Conservatism? Nope. He raised the deficit.
Personal Rights and Freedoms? Nope. Refer to the patriot act.
Strong on Principle? Nope. Not at all. He was wishy/washy.

Yeah, Bush II pretty much sucked.

**firstandten** · June-03-10, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

'unprecedented' obstructionism? How could that be? Democrats have a solid majority in both houses. The only semblance of filibustering that I can remember is when Senator Jim Bunning [[R) tried to get Democrats to abide by a financing rule that they had passed only a couple of weeks before. Even Jimmy Carter dealt with more obstuctionism than President Obama because Teddy Kennedy created a fifth column in addition to that of minority Republicans during his presidency. To the extent that President Obama was obstructed in his health care bill's passage, it had as much to do with corporatist interests trying to get the bill right before they allowed it to pass.

Solid majority yes ! but not the 60 vote filibuster proof Senate. Thats where its happening. Bills need to make it past both houses.
I'm talking about not only the big issues but the sub-cabinet positions, federal judges etc. Many are still not filled due to the kind of obstuctionism I was talking about.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35643530

**ghettopalmetto** · June-03-10, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by firstandten

Solid majority yes ! but not the 60 vote filibuster proof Senate. Thats where its happening. Bills need to make it past both houses.
I'm talking about not only the big issues but the sub-cabinet positions, federal judges etc. Many are still not filled due to the kind of obstuctionism I was talking about.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35643530

Mind you, it's not even obstructionism in favor of differing ideas. It's obstructionism for the sake of promoting NO ideas and sitting on asses. Maybe the GOP is a bit envious that Obama has an agenda more ambitious than that of the cracker state governments in the South.