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    Default The Browning of Arizona

    This was a pretty darn good essay, I thought.

    A Critical Resistance Boycott

    Arizona and the Big Picture

    By ROBERTO RODRIGUEZ
    The first rule of any boycott is to keep your eyes on the prize; translated, this means never lose sight of the problem, the objectives, the solutions and the bigger picture.
    Arizona is speeding towards an apartheid state. Some of this rush has to do with repressive laws [[including the legalization of racial profiling and the elimination of ethnic studies) passed by the Republican-dominated legislature and recently signed by the governor. Truthfully, however, this move pre-exists the recent legislation and much of the repression against the Mexican community here is also historical in nature and it is actually nationwide.
    On the surface, it is about migration issues. Yet if we probe a little deeper, it’s about power and the future demographic [[voter rolls) makeup of the state. Translated: The Browning of Arizona. Probe some more and you will see that much of the hate has little to do with peoples’ legal status. That’s where English-Only and the new anti-ethnic studies law comes in. It is not simply about our physical presence [[red-brown), but about our culture – which is thousands of years old and Indigenous to this continent. In this sense, it is beyond physical removal and even beyond thought-control; this is about our souls.
    Mexicans-Central Americans in this country are the primary targets. Also generally targeted are peoples who have been in the United States for many generations [[Mexican Americans), along with other Indigenous red-brown peoples from South America and the Caribbean. Tragically, in the end, as state and federal governments defend themselves against racial profiling charges, they will move toward a checkpoint society in which officials will demand documentation of everyone in the country, of all ages and at all times.
    Some of the people in power in Arizona who are directly responsible for this move towards apartheid are: Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio – responsible for refining racial profiling [of Indigenous peoples] into an art form; Rep. Russell Pierce – the architect of most of the anti-immigrant bills; State School Superintendent Tom Horne – the force behind the anti-ethnic studies bills and an avowed opponent of Raza Studies; and the unelected Gov. Jan Brewer – who has signed many of the draconian laws in question. These are but the latest in a long line of culprits.
    Across the country, about a dozen states are poised to follow in Arizona’s footsteps and each of these states have their Arpaio-Pierce-Horne-Brewer equivalents. Yet indeed, at the root of this crisis is the federal government’s failure to address the issue of immigration – not on the basis of fear, hate and the politics of blame, but rather, as part of a global economic and labor crisis.
    The crazies in the state legislature have been emboldened to create their own immigration and foreign policies because a half-dozen presidents and Congress since 1986 [[the last comprehensive reform effort) have failed to address these issues. They actually have addressed them, but strictly from a military/law enforcement point of view. A comprehensive immigration reform law could theoretically nullify these anti-immigrant state laws, but there’s no guarantee that the result will actually be better. At best, it might simply return us to uniform national repressive laws and practices such as the ones that result in the funneling of thousands upon thousands of human beings into the Arizona/Sonora desert, which have resulted in the recovery of some 5,000 bodies since the 1990s… or that create the kangaroo court known as Operation Streamline, now in 5 cities nationwide [[In these courtrooms, some 70 migrants are processed daily in one hour). Uniform laws and practices would obviate the need for state boycotts, but then what would be boycotted - the federal government? ...



    See the entire article at http://www.counterpunch.com/rodriguez05252010.html

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    From the same article:
    The problem will not be solved on a state-by-state basis. The root – the current crisis at hand – can actually be traced to NAFTA. This 1994 trilateral agreement between the United States, Canada and Mexico has been a boon for corporations, but disastrous for workers, especially Indigenous peoples from the maiz-growing regions of southern Mexico. Millions have been uprooted as a result of the importation of U.S.-subsidized [genetically modified] corn into Mexico. NAFTA’s original promise was that it would solve the immigration crisis. What has instead occurred is the further devastation of Mexico.....

    The theft of a continent is not a closed chapter in human history [[Nor has it become legal simply because of the passage of time). And yet, truly, no human being can be illegal on any continent. This truly is a civilizational clash – between those that believe, vs. those that don’t believe, that all peoples deserve to be treated as full human beings with full corresponding human rights – regardless of where they/we live.
    Boycotts have already proven effective there: Arizona's Martin Luther King Day controversy.
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    The theft of a continent is not a closed chapter in human history [[Nor has it become legal simply because of the passage of time).

    So true. The existence of artificially imposed borders is not well suited to indigenous styles of migration and following the work/food/seasons.

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    The theft of a continent is not a closed chapter in human history [[Nor has it become legal simply because of the passage of time).

    "So true. The existence of artificially imposed borders is not well suited to indigenous styles of migration and following the work/food/seasons."

    That pertains more to our own native American tribes who were nomadic for the most part.

    "...it’s about power and the future demographic [[voter rolls) makeup of the state. Translated: The Browning of Arizona."

    And it may also be honest concern about those people who were demonstrating with signs saying something like Take Back Our Land. I am concerned about people with divided loyalties, people who are still fighting the Civil War or the Mexican War.

    "... It is not simply about our physical presence [[red-brown), but about our culture – which is thousands of years old and Indigenous to this continent. In this sense, it is beyond physical removal and even beyond thought-control; this is about our souls.."

    A bit hyperbolic. The references to what NAFTA and our farm bills have done to the Mexican farmers is right on.
    I don't know anything about the Raza Studies, how biased they may be.

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    I think that it would be good if everyone who was stopped by the police for other matters was checked for legal citizenship/immigration/visitor status. Unfortunately, a driver's license is not an adequate means.

    If Canadians were coming here illegally in droves, I would be equally in support of checking status, and it wouldn't be because I'm worried about the "whitening" of Michigan.
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    Much the same could have been said by a Roman statesman in support of a kinder policy toward migrating Visigoths, Vandals, and other Germanic people who wanted something better for their families. After all, Roman trade policies did not favor woodland tribes and the existence of artificially imposed Roman borders was not well suited to indigenous styles of migration and following the work/food/seasons 1600 years ago either.

    "On the surface, it is about migration issues. Yet if we probe a little deeper, it’s about power and the future demographic makeup of Rome. Translated: The Blonding of Rome.""At the root of this crisis is Rome’s failure to address the issue of immigration – not on the basis of fear, hate and the politics of blame, but rather, as part of a global economic and labor crisis." " Any solution that does not recognize migrants as full human beings with corresponding full human rights is but a recipe for legalized human smuggling, maximum exploitation and dehumanization and the further militarization of both the border and Rome.""This is also why Indigenous Germanic leaders from throughout the continent 1600 years ago unanimously proclaimed that peoples from this European continent cannot be illegal in Europe."" Truly, no human being can be illegal on any continent. This truly is a civilizational clash – between those that believe, vs. those that don’t believe, that all peoples deserve to be treated as full human beings with full corresponding human rights – regardless of where they/we live."

    And Romans who disagreed back then to the sound reasoning above no doubt went to mead parties.

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    If Canadians were coming here illegally in droves, I would be equally in support of checking status, and it wouldn't be because I'm worried about the "whitening" of Michigan.
    exactly.

    To get into Canada or back into the U.S. you need a passport now. I don't hear anything about the "Nazi-ism" of Canada, checking everyone for thier papers.

    It's been said a thousand times that Arizona's bill only chooses to enforce Federal laws that are already on the books. If these laws are so racist, your anger should be toward Washington.

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    Good counter-argument, oladub.

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    Nomadic tribes were free to walk about open and unsettled vast lands.
    The Roman Empire did not greet the Northerners with welfare and billions in health care at the expense of illegal alien crimes and kidnappings.
    These are modern nations in a modern world, with modern laws and clear borders.
    If these "migrating" peoples were not committing crimes on American civilians, they were not costing American taxpayers billions when they come to the lands they "migrate" through, and were not choosing to be abused by greedy corporations, and throwing off our economy by allowing themselves to be used as cheap labor, [[basically if there were no negative implications), then this "migrating" and "better life" philosophy would be realistic, but it's not.

    Why don't you compare apples to apples? Compare the US to other countries in the world.
    How about Italy? You know, that place located in Europe, that continent that Libs want the USA to be more like?
    Country: Italy
    Immigrant population: 3.9 million
    What the law does: Like much of southern Europe, Italy faces the daunting challenge of trying to regulate and manage massive migration inflows from North Africa and the Mediterranean. In response, the Italian government has instituted various measures aimed at curbing immigration. One of the harshest, passed by parliament in 2009, penalizes illegal immigrants with a fine of €5,000-10,000 and allows immigration officials to detain them for up to 6 months.
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...migration_laws
    How about that lovely place to the south of us, named Mexico?
    You know, that country where the guy came from last week who stood in the White House next to our President, telling us about how bad the United States was?
    Mexico's Foreign Ministry said the law "violates inalienable human rights" and Democrats in Congress applauded Mexican President Felipe Calderón's criticisms of the law in a speech he gave on Capitol Hill last week.
    Yet Mexico's Arizona-style law requires local police to check IDs. And Mexican police freely engage in racial profiling and routinely harass Central American migrants, say immigration activists.
    "The Mexican government should probably clean up its own house before looking at someone else's," said Melissa VertÃ[z, spokeswoman for the Fray MatÃ[as de Córdova Human Rights Center in Tapachula, Mexico.
    In one six-month period from September 2008 through February 2009, at least 9,758 migrants were kidnapped and held for ransom in Mexico — 91 of them with the direct participation of Mexican police, a report by the National Human Rights Commission said. Other migrants are routinely stopped and shaken down for bribes, it said.
    A separate survey conducted during one month in 2008 at 10 migrant shelters showed Mexican authorities were behind migrant attacks in 35 of 240 cases, or 15%.
    Most migrants in Mexico are Central Americans who are simply passing through on their way to the United States, human rights groups say. Others are Guatemalans who live and work along Mexico's southern border, mainly as farm workers, as maids, or in bars and restaurants.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...migrants_N.htm

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    "The Roman Empire did not greet the Northerners with welfare"

    Nor does the US greet undocumented immigrants with welfare, except in the imaginations of right wing parrots who are happy to nourish themselves on meat and produce processed by the same folks that right wing parrots use as a convenient punching bag.
    It's obvious by the endless streams of myths in your posts that you are either discussing the world as it appears in your own imagination, or that you are paid to endlessly post myths and half-truths here.

    throwing off our economy by allowing themselves to be used as cheap labor
    Please stop pretending that you care about falling wages in the US. The sponsors [[Jan Brewer, Russel Pearse and others) of SB1070 are stooges of the Corrections Corporation of America, which stands to make 100 dollars per day per detained immigrant. The same corporation that seeks to make windfall profits from SB 1070 pays lower wages and benefits to its' employees than does state run correctional facilities. By supporting SB1070, you are supporting the same party that has worked to destroy labor unions, and enabled corporations like CCA to pay lower and lower wages to American Citizens, while blaming those ever lowering wages on refugees fleeing conserovcrite "Free Trade" bullshit economic policies in neighboring countries.

    http://www.ccpoa.org/news/tags/tag/c...ion+of+america

    [[from the California Correctional Peace Officers Organization)


    How about that lovely place to the south of us, named Mexico?
    As I love to point out [[as an ex-resident) Mexico is country where many of the policies that Right Wing Parrots and Sick Cultists endorse are firmly in place. Taxes are much lower. There are no welfare or ADC payments. There are no food stamps. Abortion is illegal. The min wage is absurdly low. The unions are very weak. There are less regulations on business and finance, thus the world's richest man, Carlos Slim, was able buy in a closed bidding process, Mexico's telecommunications system. A conservative party with strong ties to the church has run the country for the last decade, and before that a gangster-centrist party that enjoyed the financial and moral support of the US was in power for decades. Perhaps one of the most corrupt leaders to ever govern mexico was Harvard-trained economist Carlos Salinas de Gotari, who stole the 1988 election and co-authored with George Herbert Walker Bush the bill known as NAFTA.

    Interestingly, right wing parrots in the US never seem to have anything to say about this bit of irony, or about the failure of Neo-Conservatism and deregulation [[e.g. NAFTA) in Mexico, as well as in the United States. Instead, America's Sickest Cult, The GOP, the party of failed policies trains its' parrots to blame the problems caused by its endless deregulation scams on poor brown people and those members of the Democratic Party who were stupid enough to attempt to be "bipartisan"

    Father Coughlin would be so proud of all of you.
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    Why do the right wing ditto heads always blame the illegals as the root cause. If the greedy capitalists didn't hire them for slave wages in the first place, they wouldn't be here. Use some common sense cons, stop the demand and you'll kill the supply. The Rushies and Becks conveniently leave that little fact out because it destroys their argument.

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    Why do the right wing ditto heads always blame the illegals as the root cause.
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    And why do left wing sheeple pass illegals as innocent victims? And entice them with amnesty and government giveaways to pander to the hispanic base?

    Fault lies in multiple places.

    The Government for not securing our borders.
    Several Presidents for not securing our borders.
    Several Administrations for not addressing this issue.
    The illegals for entering illegally.
    Local & Federal law enforcement for not enforcing the law.
    and I'm sure there's many many more reason, but I firmly agree the blame is not all on the illegals.

    Blaming the illegals for crossing an unenforced border would be like arresting someone for picking up a wallet full of money off the sidewalk when no one is looking, the temptation is there, the reward is great, and the chances of repercussions is very small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detroitej72 View Post
    Why do the right wing ditto heads always blame the illegals as the root cause. If the greedy capitalists didn't hire them for slave wages in the first place, they wouldn't be here. Use some common sense cons, stop the demand and you'll kill the supply. The Rushies and Becks conveniently leave that little fact out because it destroys their argument.
    Amen, but where is the political will to severly fine and incarcerate the employers of illegal aliens? Neither the Democrats or Republicans want to punish their contributors. If the fines and other punishments were large enough, it would not pay to hire illegal aliens. If the fines and punishments were large enough, the illegal aliens could be shipped back home to be reunited with their families with money left over to increase border patrols.

    Barnesphoto, Why aren't you suggesting, as you usually do, that the reason we should provide amnesty is because these uninvited guests want to live here and their desires trump what US citizens want? The majority of US citizens overwhelmingly support Arizona's SB 1070 and that support is growing. Or you could again suggest that our government should just pocket $5,000 from illegal aliens because that would make more sense than paying coyotes. We could turn into a bribe-ocracy like some other places; not that we aren't half way there.

    So the US doesn't greet 'undocumented immigrants' with welfare? The legal term is 'illegal aliens'. Perhaps you are confusing them with 'undocumented borrowers' who specialize in robbing banks. Cheating employers and their illegal employees rob team up to rob taxpayers. What of emergency medical care, public school for their children at $10,000/year/child and even US citizenships for their children who are born here? The citizenships alone should be worth $250,000 each if they were to be marketed internationally. To you they might be worth just $5,000 but we differ there.

    We don't care what they do in Mexico so long as it doesn't bother us. If the Mexican people aren't happy with their government, they should alter it as have the representatives of Arizonans. Congressional Democrats showed their colors when the enthusiastically cheered the Mexican President's call to continue to make this country a dumping ground or pressure relief valve for Mexico's problems. Doesn't the Mexican President receive support from Carlos Slim? If so the heirarchy is Carlos Slim>Mexican President> clapping Democrat fools.

    NAFTA, by the way, was signed into law by President Clinton on December 8, 1993, not that a lot of Republican didn't also support it. I agree that we should get rid of NAFTA. President Obama has that opportunity. Maybe it isn't his top priority.

    The Romans, at least had the sense to try to protect their borders from the migrating woodland tribes who wanted to share what Rome had to offer. Ditto, the Chinese who built a fence to keep their northern neighbors out. We, by contrast, make a half hearted effort to prevent the same because, as Detroitej72 suggests, we have a fifth column managerial class personally benefiting from the migration they caused and, I would add, a puppet bought and paid for political class working against us in the interests of those some elites.
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    If we fined the employers 25k for each illegal immigrant hired the first time around that would probably get their attn.
    2nd offense should be automatic and mandatory imprisonment of 10 yrs. min for the employer/owner of the comapny.No ifs,ands or buts. Off to the hoosegow you go.You play ,you pay.

    A very strong military presense is needed along our borders [[especially the south to deter drugs and illegals.
    Death to those caught smuggling drugs and mandatory 20 yrs to those crossing the border .

    As far as the small opposition to deportation , these are just the few loud mouths that tend to yell the loudest and are the most vile racist people I have ever seen or heard.

    Lets also not forget the racist LaRaza movement which has the idea they are going to take over our southern states . I would not be surprized if they actually wanted the entire U.S. as it seems revolution is all the rage amongst the young and those from down south.
    I don't know about you but I sure do enjoy having the invading force march down my streets calling me racist because I refuse to recognize them as legitimate residents of America all the while, a huge number of them are pretty nasty racists openly proclaiming their hatred for this country.
    We need to adopt stricter immigration laws than even Mexico's in order to prevent this country from being over run and in the same breath run into the ground with abuse of our public services meant to prop up our poor .

    Finally, until we deport the majority of illegals in America we should stop all immigration from all nations until we have this situation under control.

    Our peaceful way of life is being stripped right out from under us under the guise of political correctness .
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    Lets also not forget the racist LaRaza movement which has the idea they are going to take over our southern states . I would not be surprized if they actually wanted the entire U.S. as it seems revolution is all the rage amongst the young and those from down south.""

    Thanks for the laugh, anybody who has ever shared a block with folks from Latin America knows this is but another sick cultist using his own imagination to whip himself into a frenzy, kinda like those Islamofascists in Pakistan who are rioting over Facebook.
    The "La Raza/Mecha folks were active 40 years ago, when Latinos had little or no political power. [[For example there were riots in LA in the early seventies after LA Times Journalist Ruben Salazar was murdered by LA Law enforcement). There were a few folks calling for the establishment of the State of Aztlan. Kinda like John Sinclair proposed a state of Rock and Roll and Fucking in the streets.
    Those folks are grandparents now, so your comment is as silly as Sarah Palin invoking an 8 year old Barack Obama running with the Weather Underground.

    No immigrant in their right mind would want to make the Southwest part of Mexico or Central America, [[except maybe Costa Rica) after all the trouble they went through escaping countries with lower taxes, less regulation of business, weak unions, no legal abortion, etc.

    And why do left wing sheeple pass illegals as innocent victims? And entice them with amnesty and government giveaways to pander to the hispanic base?
    Your imagination again. Hey, maybe you could post a link to a private company selling informational DVDs again, and pass it off as "evidence" of government giveaways.

    Your hero Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to illegals 20 years ago because it was far easier and cheaper to make people tax paying US Citizens as opposed to trying to hunt down millions of individuals. [[also his friends in the newly deregulated meat packing industry needed non union workers). The meat packing industry is still full of illegal workers, who are basically subsidizing the food industry in the US. Are you still stuffing your hypocritical mouth full of the labor of illegal immigrants, or are you gonna grow your own this year? There are no illegals in union shops, why don't you right wing parrots ever want to help organize labor unions?

    The Government for not securing our borders.
    Several Presidents for not securing our borders.
    Another lie that you keep repeating. The border has been constantly reinforced for at least the last decade. There is a giant wall along much of the SoCal Border, every admin has hired more border guards, [[The Janitor in Chief just passed legislation to send the NG down there and hire even more border patrol officers.) The Arizona Border, which has some of the most inhospitable terrain of any of the US/MEX border has become more popular as an entry point in part because the CA border had become far less porous.
    How many more billions do you propose spending to keep out people who simply want a job? How many more billions should we spend on a "war on drugs" that was a failure from the start, which was over 25 years ago?

    Amen, but where is the political will to severly fine and incarcerate the employers of illegal aliens? Neither the Democrats or Republicans want to punish their contributors. If the fines and other punishments were large enough, it would not pay to hire illegal aliens
    Are you calling for more regulation of private businesses and corporations? Heavens, Rand Paul would surely differ with that absurd idea!
    It would be a much more effective way to solve the problem, but then the braying over the rise in the cost of a whopper or big mac by lazy, useless hypocrites who spend all of their time sitting on their arses bitching about "illegals" would damage all of our eardrums.

    The Romans, at least had the sense to try to protect their borders
    The Romans complicated their situation by illegally entering and occupying other countries. Kinda like the US did with Mexico, or how the Brits did with half of the world.
    The language we speak comes from some of the germanic migrants who entered Roman Territory in what is now the UK. The Romans could not stop human migration, which as as old as humanity itself.

    [[To show your opposition to illegal immigration, shouldn't you only speak Latin, rather than a barbaric dialect brought to England by illegal immigrants, e.g Anglo Saxon tribes?)

    How absurd that thousands of years later, people still think that a government cannot control corporations but can micro manage human behavior.
    How absurd that you classify human beings based on government issued papers, when our country was established by people who came here without papers or passports.

    Keep shrieking. You will soon be another bit fossil and human migration will continue, whether right ring parrots on the internet like it or not.
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    barnesphoto says, "Are you calling for more regulation of private businesses and corporations? Heavens, Rand Paul would surely differ with that absurd idea!
    It would be a much more effective way to solve the problem, but then the braying over the rise in the cost of a whopper or big mac by lazy, useless hypocrites who spend all of their time sitting on their arses bitching about "illegals" would damage all of our eardrums."
    You are wrong. Rand Paul is against amnesty. The federal government has a Constitutional obligation to defend this country from invasion. It has largely failed. We have been through this before. I would gladly pay an extra 10 or 25 cents for a burger to rid the country of illegal aliens. The cheapest way to do this is to severly penalize their cheating employers. No jobs, and the illegal aliens would largely find the door by themselves although it would be nice to have their employers pay their way.

    The Romans complicated their situation by illegally entering and occupying other countries. Kinda like the US did with Mexico, or how the Brits did with half of the world.
    The language we speak comes from some of the germanic migrants who entered Roman Territory in what is now the UK. The Romans could not stop human migration, which as as old as humanity itself.

    [[To show your opposition to illegal immigration, shouldn't you only speak Latin, rather than a barbaric dialect brought to England by illegal immigrants, e.g Anglo Saxon tribes?)

    How absurd that thousands of years later, people still think that a government cannot control corporations but can micro manage human behavior.
    How absurd that you classify human beings based on government issued papers, when our country was established by people who came here without papers or passports.

    Keep shrieking. You will soon be another bit fossil and human migration will continue, whether right ring parrots on the internet like it or not.
    Are you quoting some LaRaza piece? Some migrations succeed. Others fail. It depends, in part, on the viability and tenacity of those being invaded. I agree that all borders change and all countries die. There will not be a United States as we know it someday but unlike you, I am not in a hurry to hasten it's death nor do I have dual loyalties.

    Ronald Reagan was proven a fool for believing that Democrats would keep up their end of the bargain. He agreed to give amnesty to all here if the Democrats would agree to support the enforcement of immigration laws.They didn't. Reagan thought that agreement would be the final solution to this problem. He failed to realize that subsidizing something only expands what is subsidized.

    barnesphoto explains,"The "La Raza/Mecha folks were active 40 years ago, when Latinos had little or no political power. [[For example there were riots in LA in the early seventies after LA Times Journalist Ruben Salazar was murdered by LA Law enforcement). There were a few folks calling for the establishment of the State of Aztlan. Kinda like John Sinclair proposed a state of Rock and Roll and Fucking in the streets.
    Those folks are grandparents now, so your comment is as silly as Sarah Palin invoking an 8 year old Barack Obama running with the Weather Underground.

    Maybe so but here is President Obama addressing LaRaza [[center)
    Hey! that's Che on the left! The President must have found his comfort zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    You are wrong. Rand Paul is against amnesty. The federal government has a Constitutional obligation to defend this country from invasion. It has largely failed. We have been through this before. I would gladly pay an extra 10 or 25 cents for a burger to rid the country of illegal aliens. The cheapest way to do this is to severly penalize their cheating employers. No jobs, and the illegal aliens would largely find the door by themselves although it would be nice to have their employers pay their way.



    Are you quoting some LaRaza piece? Some migrations succeed. Others fail. It depends, in part, on the viability and tenacity of those being invaded. I agree that all borders change and all countries die. There will not be a United States as we know it someday but unlike you, I am not in a hurry to hasten it's death nor do I have dual loyalties.

    Ronald Reagan was proven a fool for believing that Democrats would keep up their end of the bargain. He agreed to give amnesty to all here if the Democrats would agree to support the enforcement of immigration laws.They didn't. Reagan thought that agreement would be the final solution to this problem. He failed to realize that subsidizing something only expands what is subsidized.



    Maybe so but here is President Obama addressing LaRaza [[center)

    Hey! that's Che on the left! The President must have found his comfort zone.
    Thank you . I was going to post similiar items about this racist oirginization but you beat me to it.
    Its pathetic how the left trys to deny everything.
    I should post a link to the L.A. teacher who goes around colleges screaming revolution and how evil and weak whitey is and how LaRaza is going to revolutionize this nation because it belongs to them but I am too lazy.
    His last name is Gochez.I think? Of course he won't be fired.He will be allowed his anti-America racist views and continue poisoning children with his hatred.
    God Bless America.
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    Anybody can cobble together photographs to suggest anything under the sun.

    Unfortunately, you people haven' t the slightest idea as to what the fuck that you are talking about. LaRaza shares a name with ANOTHER LaRaza.

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    Interesting. Being that LaRaza means "the race". I wonder how that would play if it were the majority that formed a group calling themselves "the race" and marched down the street doing what they do. I could see the liberal media now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DumplingDude View Post
    Interesting. Being that LaRaza means "the race". I wonder how that would play if it were the majority that formed a group calling themselves "the race" and marched down the street doing what they do. I could see the liberal media now.
    Why wonder when you can live the dream? Take the final plunge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DumplingDude View Post
    I wonder how that would play if it were the majority that formed a group calling themselves "the race" and marched down the street doing what they do. I could see the liberal media now.
    It would probably look a lotlike this...






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    Are you insinuating those people who call themselves tea party members are racist? All the while those great democrats,liberals and progressives clearly fan the flames of racism in this nation with their paid sell-outs and minions all in order to keep us distracted from your ultimate goal.
    The same ones that have completely sold out this nation to the bankers?

    Pshaw. Surely you jest little one. Everyone can see what is happening but those in on it . Everyone but those being used by the establishment, their corporations and legions [[albeit still the minority) of zombies programmed nightly by the likes of CNN and MSNBC .
    Your tactics have changed dramatically as have your blinded and brainwashed followers but your ultimate goal remains the same and it is clear.
    You will lose as you have numerous times past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DumplingDude View Post
    Are you insinuating those people who call themselves tea party members are racist?
    I didn't say that.


    Take a look at those pictures. Do you see any blacks or any other minorities in those pictures? Now take a look at the pictures in the following link, count how many minorities you see in them, and let us know how many you came up with.

    http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl...+party&gs_rfai=

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    Quote Originally Posted by checkraisej View Post
    Take a look at those pictures. Do you see any blacks or any other minorities in those pictures? Now take a look at the pictures in the following link, count how many minorities you see in them, and let us know how many you came up with.
    I see one speaking to the crowd! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0z7JEhX3lY

    Wow, that was harder than finding Black people and libertarians who voted for McCain; but not much harder.

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    barnsfoto: The sponsors [[Jan Brewer, Russel Pearse and others) of SB1070 are stooges of the Corrections Corporation of America, which stands to make 100 dollars per day per detained immigrant. The same corporation that seeks to make windfall profits from SB 1070 pays lower wages and benefits to its' employees than does state run correctional facilities.

    maxx: Of course, someone is going to profit from this. Can you believe the Bush family profited from No Child Left Behind?
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1022-02.htm

    papasito: I wonder how much money Italy has actually collected in fines from all those African immigrants.

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