Tea Party Illustrated Dictionary and Field Guide

**oladub** · April-17-10, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by barnesfoto

Thanks for the pictures of the fossilized ancient Cretins.

Looks like the well-fed cultists are not about to give up their socialist government subsidized agribusiness foodstuffs [[processed by the hands of the dreaded "illegals" of course!)

I'lll wager that they used the socialist interstate freeways to travel to the demonstration after receiving information on the socialist internet, which, as you all know, was invented as part of a socialist, big government research program.

Some of them look like they are sucking at the socialist teat of the socialist social security and or medicare systems.

Still, one feels a bit of pain making snide comments about them, it's very much like making fun of retarded people or of Barbara Rose-Collins supporters.

Stosh and bf. I gotta give it to you because when your stereotypes fall to statistics and your argument fail, you can always muster your dislike for diverse people because of their looks and even imagine things about them. Going back a little way into this thread I find sputtering exasperated comments inferring mental capacity, angry, confrontational, well-armed, ignorant rednecks, well-fed, retarded, drooling, and glazed expressioned cretins. How about if the same comments were applied to Black Americans substituting something else for 'rednecks'. How would that be worse than your seemingly hateful, condescending characterizations? What's wrong with being "well-fed" at least until Obama's FDA and his economic clown team make their changes to our food supply?

For all the talk about hateful, violent tea partiers you warned us about, the only political violence I could find after many tea parties were held on tax day was this story about a young lady who had her leg broken in four places. The thugs who beat her up did not like her politics. One incident though is pretty small considering all the tea parties that were hels the same day. One has to wonder if this isn't indicative of a new brownshirt movement. The FBI has warned us about domestic terrorism.
25 year old woman Stomped On; Leg Broken In Four Places

Anyway, just one notable incident of extreme political violence considering all the tea parties held on April 15. For a more upbeat take on tea parties, here are the reports of a couple of Obama supporters who infiltrated tea parties.

Stosh · April-17-10, 10:44 AM

You are soooo funny Dubby. Racism? LOL.

I have no respect for the ignorant and stupid.

And that goes for any nationality, race or creed.

It's appalling that this cult has managed to prey on the base fears of these simple folk. That's what is most dangerous about these fools. "Obama is a Muslim" talk leads down the road to institutional witch hunts once in power.

Bearinabox · April-17-10, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by johnsmith

What's wrong with being colorblind? To be anything but colorblind futher promotes racial profiling, division and racism. But to liberals, racism is AOK when it comes to discriminating against white people. Just like Stosh's thinly veiled but blatantly obvious racism towards the white people at the tea party Oladub attended.

John, here's some free advice: Next time you feel the urge to say something about race relations in America...don't. Better to be silent and thought a fool.

**gibran** · April-17-10, 11:06 AM

I will be willing to say their are multiple segments in this party...but for some of those who call our president socialist or muslim are not the ones you can engage in a civil debate...those who are waiving the don't tread on me and holding up signs of Obama as Hitler etc, are those you can't have a civil debate with, those who want to have a gun show combined with a political rally, are those who you can't have a civil debate, and those who put targets on elected officials; well she is one whose ego and intellect will not let you have an intelligent debate...unlessit is scripted...

the majority of the tea party movement if they come out and say we are here to have a civil debate [[stop yelling at people near hospitals) and say we reject: the Klan or anyone who is even close to those type of feelings; Bigotry; we respect all people equally; we support the human rights of all people including gays; that immigrants are just that...and then we can really see what their fears are...and have a civil debate.

so I guess I would add that if the tea party can demonstrate behavior that is consistent with real reform, then I will listen...but if they turn out to be tax evading, ALLL guns ok, racists [[while pretending to be Christians) then they need to be exposed...I M not saying all are...but there is an element...and for those who walked past these "gentlemen and ladies" during the HC debate saw anger and hostility as well as justification for insurance running our country' HC saw something different and all the while refusing to engage in civil conservations ...since they were too busy yelling people down who tried to voice their own opinions..[[.besides most Americans are too busy looking for work and working to show up to protest these whose "favorite party" got us in this mess to begin with).

**Sstashmoo** · April-17-10, 11:11 AM

John, Or you could be like Bearinthebox, and offer absolutely nothing in context of the thread, but secrete a snide, caustic remark about another poster or forum in general, and then retract back in to your shell.

**firstandten** · April-17-10, 11:13 AM

Oladub- I know you just didn't put diverse people and teabaggers in the same post. The link talks about the demographics of this movement.

There's talk that this movement is just a fundraising arm of the Republican party. There's memos out there that indicate this movement came about shortly after the elections as a ploy to win back seats for 2010. To add some fuel to this fire the teabaggers targeted only Dems seats for 2010 no Repubs. So much for independence I guess.

I would have a lot more respect for this group if instead of going to the National Mall they would go to the S.E. DC hood and tell the folks there that they feel their pain. They are not only poor, but they have a congressperson with no vote and no senator. Why, they aren't represented either, there voices aren't heard, they would be a perfect sub-group for the teabaggers.

I think thats much better than trotting up those couple of house Negroes and having that serve as diversity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us...l?ref=politics

**firstandten** · April-17-10, 12:30 PM

This except from Salon sums it up best

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/fe...digby_open2010

"The most charitable thing to say about this is that at least some of these people are just looking for some meaning in their lives and this movement is giving it to them. [[I would guess that there are a few on our side who were drawn to the progressive movement for the same reasons.) They pick the teabaggers because it's their natural tribe. It's like my sister-in-law once explained to me: "being a Democrat would be as if I were a cat having my fur rubbed backwards." So I get that.
There's nothing particularly surprising about the rest of them either. These people are nothing new. They have different iterations, but when you get right down to it they are, quite simply, the far right. They hate poor people [[especially blacks) and they hate government that helps poor people [[especially blacks.) They are deluded about taxes and spending and are paranoid about the government being infiltrated by "the other." They believe they are the only "true" Americans and alternate between insisting that their "traditional values" are best represented by the Bible or the Constitution, both of which they believe they are ordained by God to properly interpret. And they do not really believe in democracy which is really why they hate the government.
When they lose they stage a national hissy fit of epic proportions and persuade the Village [[where they are perceived as the personification of the heartland of America) that they are something very important. Now that they have their very own TV and radio networks featuring crazed right wing demagogues 24/7, they are more successful on those terms than ever. But they are nothing new, nothing new at all. They are mostly a bunch of cranky, white men with money who are trying desperately to hang on to their privileges. Same as it ever was.
They are what we have called "Republicans" for at least the last 30 years."

**Sstashmoo** · April-17-10, 02:00 PM

Quote: ""The most charitable thing to say about this is that at least some of these people are just looking for some meaning in their lives and this movement is giving it to them."

They are out there demonstrating because they need meaning in their lives? Oh please..

Quote: "They hate poor people"

No, they hate working two jobs, living responsibly within their means, then having to turn around and provide the same lifestyle to someone who could care less if they have anything or not. That's what they hate.

Quote: "They are deluded about taxes and spending"

By the time Obama leaves office, estimates are as high as 17 trillion for the national debt. How much has he borrowed and committed to spend already? He's done what about creating jobs or addressing trade?

Quote: "They are mostly a bunch of cranky, white men with money who are trying desperately to hang on to their privileges."

Their privileges? You mean making the investment in themselves and their community by getting an education, choosing and committing to a career, saving their money, and trying to get ahead? And now you want them to just hand it over.. This country is F'd.

I'm not endorsing the TeaPartiers, but I'm not totally discrediting them neither. Some of what they are complaining about has merit.

Stosh · April-17-10, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Quote: ""The most charitable thing to say about this is that at least some of these people are just looking for some meaning in their lives and this movement is giving it to them."

They are out there demonstrating because they need meaning in their lives? Oh please..

Quote: "They hate poor people"

No, they hate working two jobs, living responsibly within their means, then having to turn around and provide the same lifestyle to someone who could care less if they have anything or not. That's what they hate.

Quote: "They are deluded about taxes and spending"

By the time Obama leaves office, estimates are as high as 17 trillion for the national debt. How much has he borrowed and committed to spend already? He's done what about creating jobs or addressing trade?

Quote: "They are mostly a bunch of cranky, white men with money who are trying desperately to hang on to their privileges."

Their privileges? You mean making the investment in themselves and their community by getting an education, choosing and committing to a career, saving their money, and trying to get ahead? And now you want them to just hand it over.. This country is F'd.

I'm not endorsing the TeaPartiers, but I'm not totally discrediting them neither. Some of what they are complaining about has merit.

There are many people that are just waiting to be a part of something like this. Nothing in their lives but bitter griping, then this comes along to put a tangible form to their whiny, racist natures, and a spokesperson that is just as whiny and devoid of substance. Oh please indeed.

I ran across someone who derided someone else for complaining that their daughter lost health insurance. "Maybe she'll get a job that has insurance..." Should that be the determination? She has a pre-existing condition. I think removing the chance for her to get insurance coverage at an affordable rate is criminal.

It's all about those that "have" versus the "have nots". and the latter is growing faster than the haves. The "priveleges" may not be the education one gets, or one's choice of career soon. Ever see the white collar guy on TV that is saying that his boss cut the health insurance for him and his family? That could be any of you.

**oladub** · April-17-10, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Stosh

You are soooo funny Dubby. Racism? LOL.

I have no respect for the ignorant and stupid.

And that goes for any nationality, race or creed.

It's appalling that this cult has managed to prey on the base fears of these simple folk. That's what is most dangerous about these fools. "Obama is a Muslim" talk leads down the road to institutional witch hunts once in power.

Stosh, I didn't call anyone a racist. You must re-read what I wrote. I simply asked "Going back a little way into this thread I find sputtering exasperated comments inferring mental capacity, angry, confrontational, well-armed, ignorant rednecks, well-fed, retarded, drooling, and glazed expressioned cretins. How about if the same comments were applied to Black Americans substituting something else for 'rednecks'? How would that be worse than your seemingly hateful, condescending characterizations?" No one has addressed those questions. Instead, tea partiers have been further stereotyped.

Also in post #101 above, I had a link to an act of political violence of the sort you had imagined of tea partiers. For the record, I deplore such political violence but all I'm hearing is crickets from you guys. I was somehow expecting more empathy for the victims of political brownshirts. You had been warning us about just such violence. The closest thing I heard to empathy was a reference to some Congressmen who said they were called names.

Hypestyles, Congratulations for your bravery in attending a tea party [[post #84). Based on where you are coming from, knowing you were outnumbered, and reading the scarey stuff people on this board fantisize about the extreme violence level among tea partiers, you took a chance. I respect that. I'm glad the tea partiers didn't break your legs too. Rough bunch. As bf pointed out, they looked "well-fed". You proved to all the tea party virgins on this board that if one ventures into a crowd of tea partiers, he or she won't necessarily fall off the end of the earth.

**gibran** · April-17-10, 02:47 PM

oladub you will note that after hearing your perception I took another look...and yes moderated my stance with the above caveats...I know you are not racist and the only reason you have something in common is the "big government" issues...realize however, that as stated in the post ...it is up to the tea party to distance themselves from the vocal minority..and somehow that hasn't happened as of yet..you always have.

Stosh · April-17-10, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

Stosh, I didn't call anyone a racist. You must re-read what I wrote. I simply asked "Going back a little way into this thread I find sputtering exasperated comments inferring mental capacity, angry, confrontational, well-armed, ignorant rednecks, well-fed, retarded, drooling, and glazed expressioned cretins. How about if the same comments were applied to Black Americans substituting something else for 'rednecks'? How would that be worse than your seemingly hateful, condescending characterizations?" No one has addressed those questions. Instead, tea partiers have been further stereotyped.

Also in post #101 above, I had a link to an act of political violence of the sort you had imagined of tea partiers. For the record, I deplore such political violence but all I'm hearing is crickets from you guys. I was somehow expecting more empathy for the victims of political brownshirts. You had been warning us about just such violence. The closest thing I heard to empathy was a reference to some Congressmen who said they were called names.

Hypestyles, Congratulations for your bravery in attending a tea party [[post #84). Based on where you are coming from, knowing you were outnumbered, and reading the scarey stuff people on this board fantisize about the extreme violence level among tea partiers, you took a chance. I respect that. I'm glad the tea partiers didn't break your legs too. Rough bunch. As bf pointed out, they looked "well-fed". You proved to all the tea party virgins on this board that if one ventures into a crowd of tea partiers, he or she won't necessarily fall off the end of the earth.

Whatever. Don't say that I didn't warn you when the shit hits the fan.

**firstandten** · April-17-10, 03:09 PM

Lets harp on the national debt for a moment

The debt now stands at $12.6 trillion. On the day Mr. Obama took office it was $10.6 trillion

"I walked into office facing a massive deficit, most of which was the result of not paying for two wars, two tax cuts, and an expensive prescription drug program," Mr. Obama said last month in a speech to corporate executives at a Business Roundtable conference.

"When we walked in, we had a deficit of $1.3 trillion and projected debt over the course of a decade of $8 trillion," he told the CEOs on February 24th. "The lost revenue from this recession put us in an even deeper hole. And the steps we took to save the economy from depression last year have necessarily added to the deficit -- about $1 trillion, compared to the $8 trillion that we inherited."

So ! given the situation instead of WWJD how about WWSD.

How about bi-partisan banking reform legislation ? Naw waterloo strategy !

Maybe this, National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform that Obama signed an Executive order for with the purpose of balancing the budget by 2015 excluding interest payments on the national debt will be a start.

Thats more than the previous administrations attempted to do.

How about pay-go
Thats more than the last administration attempted to do

How about privatizing NASA. Oh no Obama's a socialist he can't do that !

But don't worry, we'll get some more money to pay off that debt, as soon as that tax cut for the wealthy expires.

**Sstashmoo** · April-17-10, 03:15 PM

Quote: "I think removing the chance for her to get insurance coverage at an affordable rate is criminal."

Wait until you're forced to buy your own insurance from a private corporation at their price. I got a feeling, you'll be joining the Tea Partiers, misspelled sign and all.

**Sstashmoo** · April-17-10, 03:21 PM

Quote: "But don't worry, we'll get some more money to pay off that debt, as soon as that tax cut for the wealthy expires."

And watch Obama pass something equal to it..

Do yourself a favor, copy and paste this in a text doc on your desktop, label it "Sstashmoo is right again".

Stosh · April-17-10, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Quote: "I think removing the chance for her to get insurance coverage at an affordable rate is criminal."

Wait until you're forced to buy your own insurance from a private corporation at their price. I got a feeling, you'll be joining the Tea Partiers, misspelled sign and all.

Hmmm. And you don't do that now? Who pays for your health care? The government?

Stosh · April-17-10, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Quote: "But don't worry, we'll get some more money to pay off that debt, as soon as that tax cut for the wealthy expires."

And watch Obama pass something equal to it..

Do yourself a favor, copy and paste this in a text doc on your desktop, label it "Sstashmoo is right again".

I will if you were ever right, at all. Hasn't happened yet.

**Sstashmoo** · April-17-10, 04:18 PM

Quote: "Who pays for your health care?"

I'll tell ya who pays for it, I do. And it's expensive. And there are provisions in this bill to allow insurance companies to increase premiums 25% above what they are now. Think they'll drop them? I got a better question, think you'll keep getting yours for free?

Stosh · April-17-10, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Quote: "Who pays for your health care?"

I'll tell ya who pays for it, I do. And it's expensive. And there are provisions in this bill to allow insurance companies to increase premiums 25% above what they are now. Think they'll drop them? I got a better question, think you'll keep getting yours for free?

Sure. And you will get a subsidy too. Sooner or later.

**Sstashmoo** · April-17-10, 07:30 PM

Quote: "And you will get a subsidy too."

I highly doubt that.

**firstandten** · April-17-10, 09:24 PM

OK Sstashmoo help me out here

You have insurance that by your account is expensive, and is getting more so
You don't like the bill because your're forced to buy from private insurance companies at their price.
There are provisions in the bill [[you say, I'll need to verify that) to raise premiums 25%

If you had championed a public option as part of the insurance exchange it would have effectively made the private companies step it up or go out of business.

Even without a public option, having private companies as part of the insurance exchange will drive prices down somewhat. If prices go above a targeted ceiling then they won't be able to remain in the insurance exchange

If there was no health care reform your premiums can and will go up a lot higher than 25% [[if that is a correct figure)

In many of your analysis of why Obama gets it wrong, you never mention the status quo or the price of doing nothing.

You complain that you will be forced to buy insurance, what do you care ? you are going to buy health insurance anyway even if there was no health care reform law.
You should be angry that you don't have a public option to buy into then your premiums would really go down.

Stosh · April-17-10, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Quote: "And you will get a subsidy too."

I highly doubt that.

Oh I see how it is. How special of you, rich person, to lower your self to speak with us peons.

Or is it that you are just too lazy to actually see what your subsidy is?

Either way, it's the same program that is working well in Massachusetts now.

I think you are becoming a poster boy [[or girl) for the Teabagger movement.

It's like "I know you're wrong, and I refuse to recognize anything that contradicts my beliefs" Man, you are soooo funny.

And I'm even running my commentary on single lines so you can not avail yourself of that demon technology known as the quote function. I have to laugh.

Where's Smith and Oladub? Oh, that's right, they only log in from work. Gotta keep it real, them.

**oladub** · April-17-10, 10:23 PM

Where's Smith and Oladub?

Stosh? You ring? I have to admit that as a Harvard trained lawyer, the President knows how to spell and has a way with words. I didn't know that the Massachusetts health care program is working well but, as Romney pointed out, at least it's Constiutional under the 10th Amendment unlike the executive order firstandten cited. Too bad Massachusetts didn't copy Ontario's affordable single payer plan instead.

**Sstashmoo** · April-18-10, 12:13 AM

Quote: "I know you're wrong, and I refuse to recognize anything that contradicts my beliefs"

I refuse to sign off on your nonsense? That is one thing you have been right about today.

Quote: "I'm even running my commentary on single lines so you can not avail yourself of that demon technology known as the quote function."

I don't like the quote function.

Quote: "Or is it that you are just too lazy to actually see what your subsidy is?"

Quite frankly, I don't devote any time to wondering what the government may hand me in the future. I don't waste my time waiting for a handout. It's like sh*t in one hand and hope in the other, see which one fills up the quickest?? Or something like that.. Nothing is free.

**Sstashmoo** · April-18-10, 12:23 AM

Quote: "If there was no health care reform your premiums can and will go up"

Something needed to happen, but not what they passed. There should have been more stringent oversight and stiffer regulations in regard to costs throughout the healthcare industry, None of this doctor poking his head in the door and asking how you feel, and tacking another grand on your bill, no 200 dollar aspirins, 1500 dollar emergency room visits and they don't even do anything, but take vitals, etc. We needed healthcare reform and preferably without insurance companies involved. No investors hedging their profits against your health, manipulating their customer base through aggressive lobbying etc.