Tea Party Illustrated Dictionary and Field Guide

[ghettopalmetto]

Quote: "TEABAGGERS believe what you posted. Which shows purely and simply how fuked up these people truly are."

You're only metric is what your favorite arm of the media is telling you? Been on the ground at one of these meetings? Researched their tenets? Love them, hate them, laugh at them, the "Really" is, more and more Americans are identifying and aligning with this movement. People are fed up, angry and tired of being pushed aside for the benefit of Special interests and Corporations.

You cannot, on one hand, say that you want the government to stop "intruding" on your life...

...and then on the other hand, expect the government to solve your problems for you.

THAT is why the Tea Party is intellectually bankrupt.

[oladub]

Gibran wrote: "Ron Paul would be a welcomed candidate [[ I would like Nader)...but these folks would rather have the icon of conservatism Sarah Palin; despite what other polls are saying she is running on the Tea party Ticket...I hope Ron gets into the debate..I would like his take on the tea party..."

Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties. An interview with Rachel Maddow. Ron Paul more recently has said that President Obama is not a socialist but is instead a corporatist. The problem and relationship , he says, is that corporatism often leads to a type of national socialism. He makes the same criticism of Bush or McCain.

Ron Paul also notes that in open events, it it impossible to screen out everyone who might be an embarassment.

I know I'm harping too much about Ron Paul but I think it is important to bring out that their are people, including Naomi Wolf and Noam Chomsky, trying to bridge the gap and some common concerns not being addressed by the mainstream Democrat and Republican parties.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "Of course I research my statements."

Translated: "I watch TV"

Read this again: "Love them, hate them, laugh at them, the "Really" is, more and more Americans are identifying and aligning with this movement."

And there isn't a F'ing thing you nor anyone else can do about it. These folks are exercising their rights as US citizens.

Quote: "I feel that there's a fine line between sedition and the rights of citizens to protest,"

[ghettopalmetto]

Read this again: "Love them, hate them, laugh at them, the "Really" is, more and more Americans are identifying and aligning with this movement."

And there isn't a F'ing thing you nor anyone else can do about it. These folks are exercising their rights as US citizens.

Personally, I'm thrilled to see so many people take interest in how our government functions. And I welcome opposing points of view.

But just because you yell really loud...

...or invoke the name of God or Jesus

...or bring weapons to your political rallies

...or have a chalkboard that functions as a childrens' puzzle book

...doesn't make one correct, and the tea partier should exercise diligence in understanding that he is, in effect, arguing for undermining the very political system that makes his life possible.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "...and then on the other hand, expect the government to solve your problems for you."

The citizenry is responsible for the horrific trade policies that were enacted? I'm not expecting Government to solve anything, they rarely ever do, I'd appreciate it, if they'd stop enabling the few [[corporations) to put the screws to the rest of us. That's all.

[ghettopalmetto]

Quote: "...and then on the other hand, expect the government to solve your problems for you."

The citizenry is responsible for the horrific trade policies that were enacted? I'm not expecting Government to solve anything, they rarely ever do, I'd appreciate it, if they'd stop enabling the few [[corporations) to put the screws to the rest of us. That's all.

To stop enabling the corporations to put the screws to the rest of us, that involves enacting regulations, which is "government interference". You saw what happened when Congress tried to stop health insurance companies from putting the screws to people. If you listened to the Tea Partiers, you'd have thought we were confiscating property and putting people on trains to concentration camps.

I find it hilarious that the people who want "balanced budgets" argue against increased taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations.

I find it sad that people who want "less government interference" expect the government to solve their unemployment problems.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "the tea partier should exercise diligence in understanding that he is, in effect, arguing for undermining the very political system that makes his life possible."

How so? You self proclaimed intelligent, well-researched folk keep making this accusation, please explain. How exercising their rights to demonstrate is somehow undermining our political system.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "To stop enabling the corporations to put the screws to the rest of us, that involves enacting regulations, which is "government interference"."

You'd probably classify a speeding ticket, "Government interference"

[ghettopalmetto]

Quote: "the tea partier should exercise diligence in understanding that he is, in effect, arguing for undermining the very political system that makes his life possible."

How so? You self proclaimed intelligent, well-researched folk keep making this accusation, please explain. How exercising their rights to demonstrate is somehow undermining our political system.

Now you're being absurd.

It's not the demonstrating that undermines our political system. It's that the principles for which the Tea Partiers argue are consistent with undermining our political system.

And, do you think that if we cut taxes, shrunk government, and lessened regulations, the real winners would be conservative blue collar white Southerners of modest means and without college educations, who have nothing better to do than follow a bus around the country???

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "It's not the demonstrating that undermines our political system. It's that the principles for which the Tea Partiers argue are consistent with undermining our political system."

No, they're challenging the status quo of your personal political party. Well, do some research, even your own party is beginning to align themselves with this movement.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "but not to the point of embracing the lunatics that are within this movement, and what their aims are. You fail to see the danger in all of this for this country, and blindly applaud"

You folks blindly applaud your President for passing this abomination known as Obamacare.. Guaranteed, if you're working, you will eventually be paying more for health insurance than you do now. I'll go ahead and coin the term "49-er" It's going to define a company with fewer than 50 employees to align with the health care stipulation. Few people will have employer provided health care. Bottom line, this guy just cut your pay [[if you have a job). And you folks defend him. I don't get it.

[ghettopalmetto]

Quote: "It's not the demonstrating that undermines our political system. It's that the principles for which the Tea Partiers argue are consistent with undermining our political system."

No, they're challenging the status quo of your personal political party. Well, do some research, even your own party is beginning to align themselves with this movement.

I don't belong to a party, nor do I own one, or have a personal home-game version of a party.

And bringing a loaded weapon to a rally isn't "challenging the status quo". It's more like, "implication of physical and bodily harm". Yet we're supposed to take the intellect of these folks seriously?

Barack Obama is YOUR President too, chief. But perhaps you'd like to cite some data behind your assertions? For what it's worth, health care premiums in my company doubled in the past five years. Do you mean to say this is acceptable, but the new health care law is not?

[Stosh]

Quote: "Of course I research my statements."

Translated: "I watch TV"

Read this again: "Love them, hate them, laugh at them, the "Really" is, more and more Americans are identifying and aligning with this movement."

And there isn't a F'ing thing you nor anyone else can do about it. These folks are exercising their rights as US citizens.

Quote: "I feel that there's a fine line between sedition and the rights of citizens to protest,"

1) Playing stupid doesn't suit you, please cut it out. That method is the teabaggers [[and yours probably) method of gaining information. I gather mine from actually researching from various sources, that happen to NOT be anything FOX news spews out. Or Beck,Rush, or any other RW commentator that happens to be on at the time. Oh yes, and that includes anything that comes from the pulpit as well that doesn't pertain to God directly. So, stick that in your ear.

2) A party that controls the ignorant. So you are one of them? Congrats!

I'm going to have to go out and arm myself to the teeth to protect myself and my family for if and when the teabag crowd takes over. Think that over for a while, and why that will be the case.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "And bringing a loaded weapon to a rally"

It's not illegal to possess a firearm in public, you are aware of that?

[Stosh]

Quote: "And bringing a loaded weapon to a rally"

It's not illegal to possess a firearm in public, you are aware of that?

It is if the person carrying is fucking nuts. Just sayin'

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "NOT be anything FOX news spews out. Or Beck,Rush, or any other RW commentator"

Lemme guess, Obermann, Maddow et al, and you're all ears? They were strangely left out of your list

Quote: "I gather mine from actually researching from various sources,"

Uh huh. Inveterate, you are.

[Stosh]

Quote: "NOT be anything FOX news spews out. Or Beck,Rush, or any other RW commentator"

Lemme guess, Obermann, Maddow et al, and you're all ears? They were strangely left out of your list

Quote: "I gather mine from actually researching from various sources,"

Uh huh. Inveterate, you are.

Uh, NO, Zippy. I have never heard anything that they have ever said. Really.
Strangely is the word I'd use for anything you have posted so far on this subject.

Oh look! SS has learned a new word!

I agree to a point. Inveterate. Not easily swayed by bull shit, as are you.

However I CAN change my mind, which obviously you cannot. So, piss off. I have to go and arm myself against the drooling seditionists now.

[ghettopalmetto]

Quote: "And bringing a loaded weapon to a rally"

It's not illegal to possess a firearm in public, you are aware of that?

You're statement is untrue. Seven states and the District of Columbia prohibit any sort of open carrying of firearms in public. An additional eleven states require a license to do so.

Still, open carrying of a firearm--legal or not--at a large gathering of people is intended to physically intimidate, not to project an intellectual voice of reason.

[Papasito]

. I gather mine from actually researching from various sources, that happen to NOT be anything FOX news spews out. Or Beck,Rush, or any other RW commentator that happens to be on at the time.

The only RW talk show I can listen to is Mark Levin. He is a little out there on some things, and can be a jerk to people that call in, but he says and does some things that I respect him for. He speaks about history, national pride, economics, and the way governments work. He teaches and doesn't just preach, like Rush and Hannity do [[those two are broken records).

There's one or two left-wing talk show hosts on local radio here, and they talk just as much trash about the right as the right does about the left. But it's nice to listen to both sides because if you let just one form your opinions, you may be blind to the corruption of your own party of choice. Gotta weed out the b.s. and entertainment from the facts. These shows [[left and right) are sometimes worth listening to because they do dig up facts and clips that are quite interesting.

[ghettopalmetto]

Gotta weed out the b.s. and entertainment from the facts. These shows [[left and right) are sometimes worth listening to because they do dig up facts and clips that are quite interesting.

How do you decide what is "fact", what is "BS", and what is "entertainment"?

[Stosh]

The only RW talk show I can listen to is Mark Levin. He is a little out there on some things, and can be a jerk to people that call in, but he says and does some things that I respect him for. He speaks about history, national pride, economics, and the way governments work. He teaches and doesn't just preach, like Rush and Hannity do [[those two are broken records).

There's one or two left-wing talk show hosts on local radio here, and they talk just as much trash about the right as the right does about the left. But it's nice to listen to both sides because if you let just one form your opinions, you may be blind to the corruption of your own party of choice. Gotta weed out the b.s. and entertainment from the facts. These shows [[left and right) are sometimes worth listening to because they do dig up facts and clips that are quite interesting.

I'll tell you how I manage my information and opinion. I listen to NPR and the mainstream media. Things that come up of interest to me, I research independently. I avoid blogs for the most part, as opinion. I avoid Fox news, because they are liars. A good news aggregator like Google will give you enough solid, factual hits as to be able to winnow the truth from the BS.

I don't oppose or support just because some ass on the internet or radio tells me so. Corruption is corruption, in any party. But things need to get done, regardless. If one party is unwilling to make even an effort to help the people of the US, that exposes their intentions right away.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "You're statement is untrue. Seven states and the District of Columbia prohibit any sort of open carry"

There are 50 states.. How is my statement untrue?

You go on to say: "open carrying of a firearm--legal or not"

Just because you oppose something doesn't mean it's illegal.

[ghettopalmetto]

Quote: "You're statement is untrue. Seven states and the District of Columbia prohibit any sort of open carry"

There are 50 states.. How is my statement untrue?

You go on to say: "open carrying of a firearm--legal or not"

Just because you oppose something doesn't mean it's illegal.

You stated that open carry of a firearm is "perfectly" legal. This is not the universal truth you frame it to be. But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good story, right?

Since you have not commented on the reasons why some feel compelled to bring loaded weapons to large public gatherings, are we to presume that despite the legality [[depending on your state) of openly carrying a handgun in public, that it is not necessary to do so in order to peacefully protest or form cogent arguments?

[Sstashmoo]

7 0ut of 50 is 14%. 14% of the country has a law addressing open carry. Is it then valid to say "It is illegal"? You'd be wrong 86% [[coincidence?) of the time. So, how is my statement untrue?

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "A good news aggregator like Google"

Hate to break it to you, but they are biased as well. They block content from searches.