Michelle Obama says husband's home country is Kenya

**Gistok** · April-08-10, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by johnsmith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHD...layer_embedded

45 seconds in.

This is probably just a very poorly worded sentence on her part, but she said it, and it's funny and relevant nonetheless.

OK... if you knew we would respond negatively to the sheer dumbness of this thread... then why bother posting? Just to prove that you were being picked on? Just how is this relevant nonetheless????

... and please don't bring up the inane Bush/Rumsfeld excuse... it just makes you sound immature using the "tit for tat" excuse.

Bearinabox · April-08-10, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Papasito

National heritage and homeland are two different things.
if you are born and raised in one country it's not very viable to say another is your home.
it's the home of your ancestors, not your own

This is both entirely untrue and an extremely offensive thing to say. "Home" is a feeling, not an entry on a birth certificate, and some of us have more than one place that elicits that feeling. If you don't think that's "viable" you can shove it up your ass.

**Papasito** · April-09-10, 04:22 PM

This is both entirely untrue and an extremely offensive thing to say.

you can shove it up your ass.

IF you need to find "offensive" just walk into your bathroom and look in the mirror with your adolescent insults and weak ass case against me. IF you are born in a country, it is your homeland. IF your parents were born in another country, THAT is THIER homeland.

I am a 4th generation Italian American.
It would be rediculous for me to call Italy my homeland.
I was born and raised in the United States, this is my home.
Italy is the nation of my family's national origin.

You may base your case off "feelings"
I base my case off of fact. Where one is born,
Where they live thier lives, And what society they are a member of.

Our opinions may differ, but throwing your kindgergarden level tantrum and throwing out obscentities sure doesn't make your case look very impressive.

PS: Would it really kill some of you to consider if you were born and raised in America, that you must might be an "American"? Even a ""hyphen" American"? Or does your hate for this country over rule this notion? I realize that for many people there is no longer such a thing as national pride but that is an entirely different subject [[...or is it?)

**Gistok** · April-09-10, 04:45 PM

By "making a meal out of a morsel" out of what the un-elected First Lady said... you're trying to sling mud at Obama himself....

You can spin your shrill arguments all you want... anyone with half a brain ain't buying it....

**highhat** · April-09-10, 05:05 PM

New World Order....get used to it.

Bearinabox · April-09-10, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Papasito

Our opinions may differ, but throwing your kindgergarden level tantrum and throwing out obscentities sure doesn't make your case look very impressive.

This isn't about "our opinions" or "my case." You're trying to tell me that a significant part of my identity, without which I would be a completely different person with an entirely different set of experiences and an entirely different view of the world, does not exist, and then trying to tell me that asserting that part of my identity when it is threatened somehow means I hate America. If you can't understand why that's offensive, I don't know what to say to you.

**gibran** · April-10-10, 12:04 PM

Hating America is not a foreign thing..just look at those who want to pull up their stakes and talk about cession...what is happening now in the teaparty movement is worse than a reference to a kid that had a "world view" up bringing....look how much more enlighted he is since having a by-cultural experience...or woul d you rather have Sarha and her multiple community college understanding of world politics runour country?

I guess some in white America does...recent CBS poll had her higher tha Obama in Foriegn affairs...[[ that poll ran with an artilce about her at a tea party event...opps a southern republican event, or should we say a cession party event).

**Detroitej72** · April-11-10, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by firstandten

Not really worried about approval ratings right now. The nature of the beast is if you take action on a domestic or international agenda, a certain segment of the people aren't going to like it, which will reflect in the ratings. If Obama can keep it over 40% he will be in good shape. Also one needs to think that the people who might run against him have even lower approval ratings. Oh ! with one exception. If you scare the people into letting you fight an undeclaired, unfunded war base on lies while claiming its for national security then your approval ratings should shoot thru the roof.

That is the post of the day, IMHO!!!

**Detroitej72** · April-11-10, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by gibran

Hating America is not a foreign thing..just look at those who want to pull up their stakes and talk about cession...what is happening now in the teaparty movement is worse than a reference to a kid that had a "world view" up bringing....look how much more enlighten he is since having a by-cultural experience...or would d you rather have Sarha and her multiple community college understanding of world politics run our country?

I guess some in white America does...recent CBS poll had her higher than Obama in Foreign affairs...[[ that poll ran with an article about her at a tea party event...opps a southern republican event, or should we say a cession party event).

The tea-bagger's should be tried for treason, according to the Bush Doctrine,[[ as terrorists who wish to destroy the union) yet these same clowns are now held up as "patriots"?

What the hell???

Conservatives of the U.S. should shun and abandon these right wing radicals immediately and pledge allegiance to The United States of America.,

**Sstashmoo** · April-11-10, 09:09 AM

Quote: "Not really worried about approval ratings right now."

Oh really? So he can be a irresponsible patsy [[hooker) to special interests now, and do absolutely nothing about fixing our economy or creating jobs, and then turn on his charm closer to the election? Sir, you are the problem.

D72? Post of the day?

**Zacha341** · April-11-10, 10:08 AM

The "charm" of it all is wearing thin and will wear thinner still... as the un-employment issue continues.

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Quote: "Not really worried about approval ratings right now."

Oh really? So he can be a irresponsible patsy [[hooker) to special interests now, and do absolutely nothing about fixing our economy or creating jobs, and then turn on his charm closer to the election? Sir, you are the problem.

D72? Post of the day?

**firstandten** · April-11-10, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Quote: "Not really worried about approval ratings right now."

Oh really? So he can be a irresponsible patsy [[hooker) to special interests now, and do absolutely nothing about fixing our economy or creating jobs, and then turn on his charm closer to the election? Sir, you are the problem.

D72? Post of the day?

Sstashmoo, unless you want to be thought of as someone who just likes to throw your opinions out there that's ill-informed, ill-timed, ill-advised and il-logical.
then you should not be dealing with absolutes.

You said something similar about Clinton

You know, just because you don't see something, doesn't mean its not happening.

At least on this board ,you don't do any research so how do you know what Obama is or is not doing? And I'm just not talking about health care, do your research, he has done much and will do more in the areas that are your concern

I know, your retort would be " Its my opinon and I have the right to be ill-informed, ill-timed, ill-advised and il-logical.

You certainly do ! Its a free country.

Ponder this ? Does high approval ratings mean that you are an effective president?

Before you answer that, read my entire post, you know the one you just took out of context.

BTW
leave Detroitej72 out of this. I don't get many compliments on my posts, and I certainly appreciate his

**Sstashmoo** · April-11-10, 12:49 PM

I gotta ask you this Firstandten, and be honest, when is the last time you heard Obama saying or doing anything about creating jobs? You know, those things most everyone had and paid taxes so the Government could spend? Instead of just borrowing it from the same folks putting the screws to us on trade.

Obama just handed the American people the biggest healthcare scam on record, otherwise known as Federally mandated private insurance. He has sicked the wolves on us all, and folks like yourself defend him. As far as his approval goes, he's losing favor within his own party, Democrats are turning on him, those that can use a calculator and understand basic math anyway.

**gibran** · April-11-10, 04:35 PM

After watching "Saving Private Ryan" for the umteenth time...it really saddens me that all the sacrifices of the greatest generation is being waisted on the name calling division of this generation's I got mine you get yours...Sarah et al...have no clue what it is to be a American...when they preach division and hate....time to pony up and come together folks...or this great experiment is waisted on those whose goal is to deny basic rights to all equally...

**gazhekwe** · April-11-10, 05:37 PM

The Jobs agenda is stalled in Congress, haven't you heard? Like everything else.
They didn't mind setting aside megabux for the banks but they don't want to use the surplus of that to further jobs. Go figure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100411/..._congress_jobs

**Papasito** · April-12-10, 06:46 AM

If Obama had put the economy and jobs first and foremost in his presidency,
America would be a lot happier with him.
After all, that was one of the primary concerns of the people during the election

instead, we get mandated health insurance, nuclear arms reduction, a war in Afghanistan,
special interest bailouts, a nuclear Iran, and told only losing 500,000 jobs is "good news"

**gazhekwe** · April-12-10, 06:56 AM

I'm sure if we had a single branch of government, we would get things done a lot faster.

**Sstashmoo** · April-12-10, 08:12 AM

This insurance fraud, the more I think about it, the more pissed I get. One of the benefits of being in reasonably good-health, young, single and care free, was the option to either carry health insurance or not. Doctor visits were for something minor and multiple years in between. So, now those young folks have no choice in the matter, those same folks that voted this moron in to office incidentally. The insurance companies have been frothing at the mouth for their business for years. Compounded with the fact, that many of those same folks are out of work, and "their candidate", their "hope and change messiah" is doing absolutely nothing about fixing the issues that have them unemployed. Talk about screwing over your base? This guy better save his money and forget a second term.

Jobs bill "stalled in Congress"? Does congress not care if people work or not? Our Government doesn't give two shits about the people, they care about the wants of special and corporate interests. Nothing more.

Obamacare doesn't kick in until after he is presumably re-elected in 2012, [[Yeah great plan.... ), so we can all get ready for the "how great it's going to be" propaganda drive for the run up to the 2012 election.

**oladub** · April-12-10, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by gazhekwe

The Jobs agenda is stalled in Congress, haven't you heard? Like everything else.
They didn't mind setting aside megabux for the banks but they don't want to use the surplus of that to further jobs. Go figure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100411/..._congress_jobs

I don't understand. The over $700B Porkulus bill had to be past in a hurry because if it wasn't the administration claimed unemployment would climb over 8%. Is this an admission that, statistics aside, Porkulus was a huge failure? Instead of creating new jobs, it was shovelled out to local communities to pay firemen and school teacher salaries - or at least to those communities which were inept at balancing their budgets. Now, a year having elapsed, we have to get back to doing what Porkulus failed to do. Why should it be assumed that the economic clown team that whipped out Porkulus will get it right this time? Anyway, what about the MSNBC article that said that Obamanamics has already turned the ecomomy around and happy days are here again? How can the Republicans be stopping this as this article says? They don't have enough votes to do anything.

**Papasito** · April-12-10, 03:42 PM

How can the Republicans be stopping this as this article says? They don't have enough votes to do anything.

This is so true.
Even if the Republicans vote as a block on anything, they don't have enough votes to matter. The Democrats have the super majority and can pass anything they want.

**firstandten** · April-15-10, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by gibran

After watching "Saving Private Ryan" for the umteenth time...it really saddens me that all the sacrifices of the greatest generation is being waisted on the name calling division of this generation's I got mine you get yours...Sarah et al...have no clue what it is to be a American...when they preach division and hate....time to pony up and come together folks...or this great experiment is waisted on those whose goal is to deny basic rights to all equally...

OT - What a great movie, the first thirty minutes of the movie has to go down as some of the best scenes one will EVER see in a movie , it truly shows the horror of war.

**Bigb23** · April-15-10, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Papasito

This is so true.
Even if the Republicans vote as a block on anything, they don't have enough votes to matter. The Democrats have the super majority and can pass anything they want.

\
Thank you Papasito, for the term limits. May we do the limits in the future.

**firstandten** · April-15-10, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Papasito

This is so true.
Even if the Republicans vote as a block on anything, they don't have enough votes to matter. The Democrats have the super majority and can pass anything they want.

Not true ! The Dems do have a majority but not the 60 votes it would take to stop a fillibuster. The Dems could pass anything they wanted eventually but they would see the wheels of government grind to a halt.

**firstandten** · April-15-10, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

I gotta ask you this Firstandten, and be honest, when is the last time you heard Obama saying or doing anything about creating jobs? You know, those things most everyone had and paid taxes so the Government could spend? Instead of just borrowing it from the same folks putting the screws to us on trade.

"The true engine of job growth in this country has always been the private sector -- businesses like Celgard. What government can do is create the conditions for companies to succeed. It can help to create the conditions for companies to hire again. What it can do is build the infrastructure and create the incentives that will allow small businesses to add workers. It will help entrepreneurs to take a chance on an idea that will lead manufacturers to set up shop in places like Charlotte."

President Obama speech and townhall meeting at Celgard Co, Charlotte NC
April 2, 2010

I put this quote in for two reasons. One this describes his core belief on the role of the private sector vs the public sector, so no, he is not a socialist please tell Rush and Beck to drop that talking point.

Also the only way the President can wave his magic wand and create jobs is through gov't. But wait you don't want gov't interference so he has to create the environment for jobs creation thru Congress, Yes, that congress with the waterloo strategy.

"As I said, just one year ago we were losing an average of more than 700,000 jobs each month. But the tough measures that we took, measures that were necessary even though sometimes they were unpopular, have broken this slide and are helping us to climb out of this recession.
We've now added an average of more than 50,000 jobs each month over the first quarter of this year. And this month's increase of 162,000 jobs was the best news we've seen on the job front in more than two years."

President Obama- same speech and townhall

I know you would like to see those manufacturing jobs come back as would I, but that ain't happening, as a nation we have to move on and find new technologies and industries to invest in.

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Obama just handed the American people the biggest healthcare scam on record, otherwise known as Federally mandated private insurance. He has sicked the wolves on us all, and folks like yourself defend him. As far as his approval goes, he's losing favor within his own party, Democrats are turning on him, those that can use a calculator and understand basic math anyway.

Look at healthcare as a three legged stool. You got one leg that represents access, a leg represents cost, and the third leg represents quality.
This healthcare bill only really deals with access. Cost and quality will be addressed down the road. All this bill really did was get people into private insurance and some folks at the low end into Medicaid. As a result it is stopping the worst practices of the insurance industry and so forth and so on.

And no ! there will not be 16,500 armed IRS agents knocking at your door to haul you off to Gitmo to be waterboarded because you didn't get insurance

**firstandten** · April-15-10, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

I don't understand. The over $700B Porkulus bill had to be past in a hurry because if it wasn't the administration claimed unemployment would climb over 8%. Is this an admission that, statistics aside, Porkulus was a huge failure? Instead of creating new jobs, it was shovelled out to local communities to pay firemen and school teacher salaries - or at least to those communities which were inept at balancing their budgets. Now, a year having elapsed, we have to get back to doing what Porkulus failed to do. Why should it be assumed that the economic clown team that whipped out Porkulus will get it right this time? Anyway, what about the MSNBC article that said that Obamanamics has already turned the ecomomy around and happy days are here again? How can the Republicans be stopping this as this article says? They don't have enough votes to do anything.

Maybe they did get it right after all according to Newsweek

http://www.newsweek.com/id/236190

Also the GOP knows they can't stop legislation, but what they can and have done is sloooow the process down, while throwing enough mud on the wall with the hopes of finding something that will stick with the people.