Police Chase. Brutality?

[kraig]

Here's the raw video of yesterday's police chase. I think it's pretty clear that the officer crossed the line and brutalized the guy.

DPD had broken off the chase, but, the State Police kept after him. It's a blessing that the family struck by the runaway driver wasn't killed.




http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/22746012/index.html

[Big Dog]

Police brutality appears to be common.

[neighbor]

It looks a little rough but I am sure the adrenaline was pumping but if that guy didn't want to get beaten he shouldn't have and six warrants and been driving without a license and then taken off when pulled over.

He sort of put himself in the position to get thumped.


I think a week or two WITH PAY would actually be fair in this case.

[lilpup]

I didn't see anything there that constitutes brutality.

I know an outer suburban area cop who does not take well to those who run - they sometimes end up with a few extra bruises for it, often after being cuffed. I didn't see anything like that in this video.

Running from police has to be one of the dumbest actions possible.

[tarkus]

It looks a little rough but I am sure the adrenaline was pumping but if that guy didn't want to get beaten he shouldn't have and six warrants and been driving without a license and then taken off when pulled over.

He sort of put himself in the position to get thumped.


I think a week or two WITH PAY would actually be fair in this case.

Bull muffins, they don't deserve any punishment. That jerks hands were in his coat when they caught up with him. He may have been trying to take the coat off, but how do you know that in a split second decision. That punk deserved every bit of getting thunked and a more.

[TKshreve]

I think a week or two WITH PAY would actually be fair in this case.

You are obviously talking about the perp here, right?

[TKshreve]

Here's the raw video of yesterday's police chase. I think it's pretty clear that the officer crossed the line and brutalized the guy.

DPD had broken off the chase, but, the State Police kept after him. It's a blessing that the family struck by the runaway driver wasn't killed.

Crossed the line??!! Yeah, but no mention of the guy who CREATED a police chase by running and hit a family in a car. Don't worry Kraig...... he'll be out and on the streets in 2 months. Maybe driving through your neighborhood.

You're either trolling or a criminal yourself. Either way, you're incorrect.

[One Shot]

Theres lawyers drooling over this already.
I think the cops do this often as they are pumped up on adrenaline and want revenge for someone running from them. I don't always agree with it but when your a thug and your running you deserve a little extra handling.

[kenp]

I watched the whole thing and saw nothing indicating any brutality.

[kraig]

Crossed the line??!! Yeah, but no mention of the guy who CREATED a police chase by running and hit a family in a car. Don't worry Kraig...... he'll be out and on the streets in 2 months. Maybe driving through your neighborhood.

You're either trolling or a criminal yourself. Either way, you're incorrect.

This is somewhat of a companion thread to the one about the police crossing the line.

One of the reasons I didn't mention Hardy's actions is because it's beyond clear that what he did was wrong and hopefully he'll be punished for them.

One of the problems with police brutality in a situation like this is that for everything that hardy did wrong the only thing he deserves is punishment. Unfortunately, due to the officers actions, he or his family has the chance to gain money from this due to a police brutality lawsuit.

Another reason that I didn't mention Hardy's actions or the victims is because there is no taxpayer funded training or sanctioning on being a criminal. But there is training and sanctioning involved with becoming a police officer. Officers are trained to keep their composure so that the only thing that should be focused on is the criminal's conduct, not the officer's.

The officer's action is a good indication of why the Department of Justice has been monitoring the DPD for a number of years. That monitoring has cost the City of Detroit more than $14,000,000.00 so far. How many police officers could that have paid for to patrol my neighborhood when someone like Hardy, who ends up receiving a lesser punishment than he should because of the police brutality, drives through?

Police brutality costs money. Period.

[bartock]

This guy claimed that the law didn't apply to him because he's Moorish.

He'll use the same laws he ignored for a civil suit alleging violation of his "rights."

He looked like he pulled his hands out of his pockets and up in the air as the officer was already in motion to defend himself. This isn't a late hit on a quarterback in the NFL, the officer had more than enough reason to believe his life was in danger.

My only question is why the chase continued off of the freeway, but I don't know enough about police protocals [[and it went from Detroit to State Police, if the reports are accurate) to comment.

[kraig]

I watched the whole thing and saw nothing indicating any brutality.

The guy had stopped running and the officer hit him with the baton and put him down. While questionable, that part can be argued in court. The balled up fist striking the man in the face, while he was down and not resisting, isn't questionable at all. That's where the police brutality comes in. Whether we think the guy deserves to get beat up or not isn't even going to be a consideration during the lawsuit.

[kenp]

Police brutality costs money. Period.

Crooks cost us money. Lawyers cost us money.
And to refer to this guy as a "victim" really makes me sick.

[Detroitej72]

The criminal got a few love taps from the officer, big deal. This thug's actions could have killed somebody in the truck that he struck, so I have no problem if the cops give him a little tuning up.

[kraig]

Crooks cost us money. Lawyers cost us money.
And to refer to this guy as a "victim" really makes me sick.

Then perhaps you should learn to pay more attention to what you're reading. If you did you would know that the victims I'm referring to is the family whose vehicle was struck by Hardy.

[kenp]

Then perhaps you should learn to pay more attention to what you're reading. If you did you would know that the victims I'm referring to is the family whose vehicle was struck by Hardy.

You got me on that one Kraig.

[Downriviera]

Looks like its time once again to post this public service announcement.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

[kraig]

Looks like its time once again to post this public service announcement.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Funny. I was just looking at that on a Facebook Friends Wall.

[Enduro]

I agree that it looked bad but it looked bad from our angle. From the officer's perspective we don't know what the guy was saying/threatening, what he was trying to get out of his clothes, etc... I need more info to judge this one but it does look bad on first glance.

[guito13]

I do not see ANYTHING wrong with what the officers did. The suspect had already displayed disregard when hitting the vehicle and then running from police. When the police encountered the suspect he had his hands in his pockets. The suspect was quickly put into a position that ensured officers safety.

I am glad to see the police remove another criminal from the streets to make all of our families safer.

I agree with the post above that says anyone who says otherwise are either trolls or are criminals themselves.

[Gannon]

A few years ago, I chased a fellow from Pine Lake to Twelve and Telegraph...twice at VERY high rates of speed through two subdivisions [[Wabeek and that one on the SW corner of Maple and Telegraph)...all while giving the dispatcher the play-by-play over my cell phone.


When Bloomfield's finest finally caught up with us, and they were GOOD [[I think they are bored to death out there usually and I gave them a fun focus), one of them told me to sit in my car and wait.


I was a mexican jumping-bean with all that adrenaline pumping through my system...and I told him there was no way I could sit anywhere for any reason.

Then I asked him how they could possibly hold back from beating the living hell out of anyone who flees...because every ounce of my being wanted to just pummel the guy.


And I haven't landed a punch since third grade, and still remember it. I am one of the least violent people I know...at least I refuse to go there because I know what happens when I let rage rule.


The police are merely doing their job, and a FEW bad ones do not a whole bushel make ruin. I see the dynamic with a few officers I've known, how the streets and the system can make them hardened, and I say it is SOCIETY'S responsibility to help them.

I got an escort into my driveway just this morning by Dearborn Height's finest. Our neighborhood is being watched VERY closely due some recent events, and I got his attention driving home at 1:30 from the new Harbor House Thursday night Music Menu Spirit resurrection.

The officer told me of a murder just across the street a few weeks ago that I hadn't heard about...and I thought I was pretty aware. They caught the perp, but break-ins and car theft has increased as well and the whole of Dearborn, the Heights, and AP are all spending more time in our little corner.



Naw, we cannot stop these chases and need to make it very clear to perps that they should not run. I've run from cops at least twice in my life, both successfully, but I am not proud of that fact. I am merely lucky enough to change my life enough to not need to fear or loathe them any longer.

They are people doing a job that few of us would do, either from a lack of ability or passion. But they also need to help society weed out those who make THEM look bad on the whole. By this I mean specifically that the Blue Wall of Silence MUST be torn down.


Lotsa words, I'm on fire today after this morning's revelations. Our officers need our support, because MOST of the time most of them are on our side. I'd like to keep it that way.

Cheers

[jackie5275]

The officer told me of a murder just across the street a few weeks ago that I hadn't heard about...and I thought I was pretty aware. They caught the perp, but break-ins and car theft has increased as well and the whole of Dearborn, the Heights, and AP are all spending more time in our little corner.

Unfortunate, but true I'm afraid regarding this area.

[Bodybagging]

Personally, I see no Brutality in this stop. that was a minor felony takedown......

[jackie5275]

The guy had stopped running and the officer hit him with the baton and put him down. While questionable, that part can be argued in court. The balled up fist striking the man in the face, while he was down and not resisting, isn't questionable at all.

It looked to me as if the guy had stopped running because he thought he had gotten past them, but they came up from the opposite direction from where he had been running.
From the video, we can't really tell if he was resisting when he was down. Fleeing & eluding is what he was doing during the chase. Running away after the accident can be considered resisting.

[agirlintheD]

The way I see it, if you're running, you're guilty of something. If you're running causes me to break a sweat, I'm planning on beating the snot out of you. Just saying.