Aof D catholics Have Raised $1.5 Million [[and counting) for Haiti

[SWMAP]

I am posting this link to the Free press article on the efforts of local Catholics for Haiti. I think it's relevant because there is such a history of writers on this Board of asserting that the Catholic Church, the AOD and Catholics in general do little or nothing for the City and the world. http://freep.com/article/20100302/NEWS05/100302044

[Retroit]

They must have made a mistake, because according to CNN, conservative, God-fearing people don't care about people they don't know.

[Russix]

They must have made a mistake, because according to CNN, conservative, God-fearing people don't care about people they don't know.

Haiti is an epiphany of Catholicism, how does that equate to being strangers for conservatives?

[Retroit]

So, when a liberal atheist helps a liberal atheist in a far-away place, it is only done for self-interest?

[Russix]

If I may quote the article:

"Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with," he said."

And you said:

They must have made a mistake, because according to CNN, conservative, God-fearing people don't care about people they don't know.

And then I said:

Haiti is an epiphany of Catholicism, how does that equate to being strangers for conservatives?

Which confuses me about the relevance of:

So, when a liberal atheist helps a liberal atheist in a far-away place, it is only done for self-interest?

Cause I not seeing the reasoning of this statement. It’s a contradiction: “helps”, “self-interest” while the basis of this discussion remains that conservatives are more likely to be concerned with people they associate with, which this posting is more of truth to than a vindication.

[Goose]

Quote:
"Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with," he said."





so true

they are very concerned about total strangers, they are very generous to all persons, the problem is, they love to be concerned and generous with other peoples money.....

[DetroitPole]

They must have made a mistake, because according to CNN, conservative, God-fearing people don't care about people they don't know.

First, I am a practicing Catholic and would be deeply offended if someone accused me of something as awful as being a conservative in the American sense of the word.
Secondly, I find it truly eye-rolling that you would include the word "conservative" in reference to an article referring to Bishop Gumbleton. You obviously know nothing of this good saintly man, who would shudder at being called a "conservative".
http://www.bishopgumbleton.org/about.html
I also think it might be enlightening for you to learn about the Catholic Worker movement: http://www.dayhouse.org/
Yes, there are faithful Catholic socialists and anarchists.
Thirdly, Catholicism is a big, big, big tent. How you can lump 1.5 million people in the region - and 1 BILLION worldwide - as "conservative" because it fits your ideology - is offensive.
Finally, this country is really in deep trouble when every single damn news story has to be translated by the partisans into "conservative" or "liberal" with the good guys on one side and the bad guys on the other.
My brothers and sisters in the pews and beyond are just that - and not liberal nor conservative. Furthermore, I am not surprised at all at the generosity of Catholics in the Archdiocese.
I haven't posted here before but I felt the need to speak up about my faith. I feel sorry for you.

To turn this discussion away from noxious partisans, I go to Sweetest Heart of Mary. I used to go to St. Florian. I would highly recommend either of these churches - they rival European churches in terms of beauty - however the priests often have very thick accents - helps if you mowisz po polsku.

[gnome]

DetroitPole,

wow, you make one heck of an entrance. If there was a HallofFame for first posts, you'd certainly get a nomination. Well reasoned and well written. Thank you and welcome to the forum.

[Campfire Girl]

DetroitPole - AMEN!

[jackie5275]

Well DetroitPole, I think you've made some excellent points and more importantly gave some clarification to what Catholics are truly like, not just from non-Catholics preconceived notions based on what I think is limited information. Fine Job!!!

[Detroit_uke]

Well said Detroit Pole. Bishop Gumbleton will be at my parish, St. Thomas Aquinas, tonight at 7pm...all are welcome.

[Retroit]

DetroitPole, sorry to "deeply offend" you with what I thought could not be interpreted as anything other than a sarcastic post. I never would have imagined it would have elicited such a hostile response - from a fellow Catholic no less! Yes, I do realize that there are Catholic liberals, socialists, anarchists, monarchists, totalitarianists, etc., and I'm sure you are also aware that twice as many Catholics describe themselves as conservative than as liberal. Jesus died for all people, even the most corrupt despot, but I think his teachings would more accurately be described as conservative than liberal. I don't define "conservative" as being "closed-minded" as many liberals do; I define it as holding firm to the founding principles embodied in scriptures or, in the case of politics, the written Constitution of our country.

[karenka]

Bravo, DetroitPole. Or should I say, "Brawo"!

[Detroitej72]

Jesus died for all people, even the most corrupt despot, but I think his teachings would more accurately be described as conservative than liberal.

If Jesus were alive today, the Rushies and the Beck's would call him a socialist who pals around with losers.

DetroitPole, great job with the grand slam of a first post. I too attend Sweetest Heart, maybe I'll run into you.

[Retroit]

If Jesus were alive today, the Rushies and the Beck's would call him a socialist who pals around with losers.

Well, I'm not a biblical scholar, but I don't ever remember Jesus ever preaching that the government should provide welfare programs. I believe he taught that it was the individuals responsibility to care for others. Correct me if I'm wrong, DetroitPole.

As to whom Jesus palled around with, I'm sure the liberals would refer to them as "teabaggers".

[terryh]

First of all, the members of the human species who identify themselves as 'Catholics' are being first and foremost good human beings by donating money and supplies to victims of the earthquake in Haiti, and if anything are stroking their own egos and setting themselves up for 'eternal life'...some in the religious community argue that the earthquake happened in Haiti 'because they are bad people'..there was such widespread destruction and death because of the delapitated infrastructure, and even if the scientific warnings of an impending hurricane were taken seriously how are millions of poor humans going to relocate..why arent there natural disasters of a massive scale in West Europe or Japan where there is a hate rate of Atheism?

[terryh]

If Jesus were alive today, the Rushies and the Beck's would call him a socialist who pals around with losers.

DetroitPole, great job with the grand slam of a first post. I too attend Sweetest Heart, maybe I'll run into you.

I have to respectfully disagree with you on that one Detroitj72..If Jesus or Mohammed were alive today they would be diagnosed Mannic depressive-bi-polar [[Jesus) and schizophrenic [[Prophet Mohammed)

[jackie5275]

...some in the religious community argue that the earthquake happened in Haiti 'because they are bad people'

Terry I think you need to clarify which religious community. That quote was made by I think Pat Robertson, who is nowhere near being a Catholic. I think most people, Catholic or otherwise, recognize why there was so much destruction resulting from the Haiti earthquake.