Obama and the "Patriot Act" - another letdown

[johnsmith]

Boy, this Obama character sure isn't changing squat. Does Obama have any supporters left? Aside from scrapping it in it's entirety, he could have at least vetoed this and made Congress consider more seriously about adding in some of the additional provisions to protect citizen's privacy and increase scrutiny of how the act is used [[or abused).

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...rmAoAD9E4QD501

[oldredfordette]

He's keeping your party's status quo. That should make you guys happy, except you're programmed to be unhappy with everything Obama does.

[johnsmith]

He's keeping your party's status quo. That should make you guys happy, except you're programmed to be unhappy with everything Obama does.

My party? You don't know me. How dare you. Do you have anything to add or are you just going to make gross assumptions of me personally? Your post is nothing but a snide and meaningless comment. So please tell me, are you happy about Obama continuing the Patroit act? By your comment, I'd assume you were, but I'm not going to make gross assumptions.

[oladub]

I couldn't find the Senate vote but the final House vote in support of extending aspects of the Patriot Act was-
____Yea - nay - not voting
Dem. 162 - 87 - 5
Rep. 153 - 10 - 15
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll067.xml

The bill then went to the President so he so he could break another campaign promise. To give partial credit for credit due, Democrats came out better than Republicans on this one. It looks like libertarians still have a long way to go before taking control of the neocon Party.

[rb336]

none of this should be a surprise to anyone. he never said he would repeal the "spying on citizens" act while running for pres, and he voted for it in the senate.

neo-cons, neo-libs. both are full of phoney populists who are all to willing to surrender the sovereignty of the American people to the multi-national corporate state. This is, of course, the inevitable outcome of having allowed such entities to gain such power in the first place

[Detroitej72]

Does Obama have any supporters left?

Anyone who supported Bush should be doing cart wheels, since Obama is continuing his path, despite what you here in the conservative biased media.

[Detroitnerd]

Obummer.

[d.mcc]

Obummer.

O'bullocks

[Retroit]

Obama voted in favor of reauthorizing the Patriot Act when he was Senator in 2006. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...te=00029#state

"Rhetoric: "Sen. Obama Promised to Support Repealing PATRIOT Act, Then Voted to Extend It"
Reality: Obama Has Consistently Said He Would Support A Patriot Act That Would Strengthen Civil Liberties Without Sacrificing The Tools That Law Enforcement Needs To Keep Us Safe"
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/fac...istent_p_1.php

I guess that got lost amid all the "Hope" and "Change" propaganda.

[Papasito]

Votes - US Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote
Required For Majority: 1/2, Vote Result: Conference Report Agreed to. Measure Number: H.R. 3199 [[USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 ) ... Obama [[D-IL), Yea

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00029
Obama did, in fact, vote in favor of the original Patriot Act. It was his supporters, the ones who wanted all the troops home, GITMO immediately shut down, and the Patriot Act nullified that expected Obama to kill it.

But would you seriously expect this guy [[or any power-crazed Washingtonian) to vote against a bill that expands the powers of Government? Let's get real here.

As far as Democrats getting let down, I find it amusing that so many Democrats are closing thier eyes to Obama's actions and not standing on principle, simply because he has a D attatched to his name. Shame on you for following the party line rather than standing on your ideals and holding the Party's politicians accountable for not following through on promises or falling short on expectations.


Principle / Expectations being, as stated above:
1. Bring all the troops home [[hasn't happened)
2. Close down GITMO [[hasn't happened)
3. Nullify the Patriot Act [[hasn't happened)

[Retroit]

Obama was very deceitful to his gullible, ineducable liberal supporters during the campaign, portraying himself as being against something when he was really for it, and vice-versa. While I support the Patriot Act, I'm disconcerted that his followers have still not learned to "read between the lines" of liberalism and will continue to support politicians who are unable or unwilling to deliver the promises of Utopia.

OBAMA = One Big Ass Mistake America.

[Detroitej72]

Obama did, in fact, vote in favor of the original Patriot Act. It was his supporters, the ones who wanted all the troops home, GITMO immediately shut down, and the Patriot Act nullified that expected Obama to kill it.

More proof that he is a center/right president despite what Fox News and AM radio tell you.

[oladub]

Originally Posted by Papasito
Obama did, in fact, vote in favor of the original Patriot Act.

I don't think Obama was in the Senate when the original Patriot Act passed. However, he voted to renew it. He had previously written that he would "repeal the Patriot Act" or replace it with a "new, carefully crafted proposal." as President. Since he is still President, he still has time to replace it with a "new carefully crafted proposal".
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...dems_turn.html

[Papasito]

Both parties should hold thier representative government accountable for not following through on promises, lying, and/or failing to stand by thier morals and values that they sold themselves to you with during the elections.

It would be a wake up call to all the phonies in Washginton if the Democrats had Obama defeated in the Dem Primaries because of his performance.

IMO Bush won the Primary for his second term because Republicans voted blindly on party lines, for the guy they thought would win, and not on principle. If the Dems proved to be different, it would surely be a step in the right direction for this country.

[Hermod]

I couldn't find the Senate vote but the final House vote in support of extending aspects of the Patriot Act was-
____Yea - nay - not voting
Dem. 162 - 87 - 5
Rep. 153 - 10 - 15
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll067.xml

The bill then went to the President so he so he could break another campaign promise. To give partial credit for credit due, Democrats came out better than Republicans on this one. It looks like libertarians still have a long way to go before taking control of the neocon Party.

Obama can't complain about a lack of bipartisanship. It looks like he got a lot of cross the aisle support.

[firstandten]

Obama voted for a one year extension of the three sections below.
What is the issue here ? This is a very small part of the Patriot Act.


Three sections of the Patriot Act that stay in force will:
_Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.
_Allow court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations.
_Permit surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group.

[Papasito]

_Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.

I can still remember the media going on and on and on about how the Democrats opposed the wire taps and how it was an invasion of privacy and how those dirty evil Republicans were going beyond thier power limits
...and now those same Democrats think it's OK ?

[firstandten]

I can still remember the media going on and on and on about how the Democrats opposed the wire taps and how it was an invasion of privacy and how those dirty evil Republicans were going beyond thier power limits
...and now those same Democrats think it's OK ?

Don't you know political theatre when you hear it, especially against Bush who rammed anything he wanted down the dems throat, besides, Obama wasn't in the senate when the act was voted on.

[TKshreve]

More proof that he is a center/right president despite what Fox News and AM radio tell you.

Is this THE new campaign tactic?

Example: Have Fox News blather about how Liberal a candidate is, when in reality the person is quite centrist or even right. Then, after the left votes that candidate in blindly - the Conservatives actually come out on top? Could be something there.

[rb336]

no, THE tactic on the right is to marginalize the center with lies and misrepresentations of facts/policies. has been since Ronnie, maybe earlier.

pro-labor -- you're a commie pinko
pro-civil/women's/gay rights -- you're attacking our traditional values
anti-big biz [[for real) -- see pro-labor
believe in regulating anything -- your a nazi and worse than hitler

[oladub]

Pick up your pencils. This is multiple choice. The FISA bill allows presidents to go through international communications without warrants and thus violate the Fourth Amentment. Who made the following statements to justify their support of this bill? Answers below.

1) “Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay.�

2) [[The FISA bill) “allows our intelligence professionals to quickly and effectively monitor the plans of terrorists abroad, while protecting the liberties of Americans here at home.�

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V
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Answers:
1) Obama
2) Bush

Obama's FISA Betrayal - Progessive

Remember that Senator Obama had campaigned against both the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretapping before becoming President and voting for both.

[Papasito]

The Republicans did not hold thier elected accountable for performance, upholding thier values, and following through on thier promises.
The Republicans lost power.

The Democrats are not holding thier elected accountable for performance, upholding thier values, and following through on thier promises
Guess what happens next

[barnesfoto]

Papasito drives his adult tricycle at full speed into the IRS building?

[Papasito]

Papasito drives his adult tricycle at full speed into the IRS building?

what was that other thread saying about "liberals" and "athiests" being more intelligent?
your post proves otherwise.
Grow up, kid. What's next? Sticks and stones?

[Detroitej72]

what was that other thread saying about "liberals" and "athiests" being more intelligent?
your post proves otherwise.
Grow up, kid. What's next? Sticks and stones?

Maybe he was keeping it simple so cons would be better able to understand it.