Rev. Marvin Winans is mad at Charles Pugh

**R8RBOB** · February-16-10, 05:26 PM

I live in the city and I don't support this so-called crackdown on the strip clubs that celebrity preachers like Marvin Winans have preached for. Now that we have a new City Council in place and mostly men they have the insight to see that this is a waste of time to crack down the strip joints.

During a meeting, Rev. Marvin suggested that the owners of these clubs [[most likely White or Russian) don't live in the city and their kids don't have to walk past these places. Ok, maybe he has something there but Pugh realized what a hypocrite Winans is by asking him if he lived in the city. Winans insulted that Pugh would put him on blast remarked that he is "part" of the city. What a joke!! He don't live in the city yet he is willing to slam suburban owners for having ungodly businesses in the city. If said business is paying Detroit taxes and employ Detroit residents regardless of what they are doing then more power to them.

Can we stop putting these preachers on a pedestal?

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**313WX** · February-16-10, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by R8RBOB

I live in the city and I don't support this so-called crackdown on the strip clubs that celebrity preachers like Marvin Winans have preached for. Now that we have a new City Council in place and mostly men they have the insight to see that this is a waste of time to crack down the strip joints.

During a meeting, Rev. Marvin suggested that the owners of these clubs [[most likely White or Russian) don't live in the city and their kids don't have to walk past these places. Ok, maybe he has something there but Pugh realized what a hypocrite Winans is by asking him if he lived in the city. Winans insulted that Pugh would put him on blast remarked that he is "part" of the city. What a joke!! He don't live in the city yet he is willing to slam suburban owners for having ungodly businesses in the city. If said business is paying Detroit taxes and employ Detroit residents regardless of what they are doing then more power to them.

Can we stop putting these preachers on a pedestal?

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Be all of that as it may, Marvin Winans and his family also own a nationally renowed, tax-paying establishment in the city that could easily be moved to the suburbs in a hot second.

To blast a subrbanite who completely abandoned the city without giving a second look back, then that's one thing, but to blast a suburbanite who's actually interested [[and has been involved) in the revival of Detroit is beyond stupid.

**iheartthed** · February-16-10, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by 313WX

Be all of that as it may, Marvin Winans and his family also own a nationally renowed, tax-paying establishment in the city that could easily be moved to the suburbs in a hot second.

To blast a subrbanite who completely abandoned the city without giving a second look back, then that's one thing, but to blast a suburbanite who's actually interested [[and has been involved) in the revival of Detroit is beyond stupid.

Churches pay taxes?

**daddeeo** · February-16-10, 09:46 PM

Good point.
Pastors have been more a part of the problem than a solution during the Kwame furor.
They sat on their hands to see which way the wind would blow [[like politicians) during the whole smelly affair.
Amazing to see them all huffy over a strip joint or two.

**Kevgoblue** · February-16-10, 10:13 PM

Whether he approves of strip clubs or not is of little relevance. They are legal, liscenced, tax paying businesses. So what will happen if he and his bible thumping followers have their way and get these bars closed down? The owners will then sue the city for countless millions, as they have had their livelihood taken away.

Maybe he'll pass the plate at a few Sunday services to subsidize the cost to the rest of the Detroit taxpayers.

**R8RBOB** · February-16-10, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by daddeeo

Good point.
Pastors have been more a part of the problem than a solution during the Kwame furor.
They sat on their hands to see which way the wind would blow [[like politicians) during the whole smelly affair.
Amazing to see them all huffy over a strip joint or two.

One of those flashback moments....

I can't remember the preacher's name but I recall watching the news and this pastor who was speaking for the other Black pastors said on tv that they would suggest for Kilpatrick to "think about stepping down" as mayor. After watching that dog and pony show they gave for the TV cameras, I knew that you can't count on men of GOD to speak the truth.

Originally Posted by 313WX
Be all of that as it may, Marvin Winans and his family also own a nationally renowed, tax-paying establishment in the city that could easily be moved to the suburbs in a hot second.

To blast a subrbanite who completely abandoned the city without giving a second look back, then that's one thing, but to blast a suburbanite who's actually interested [[and has been involved) in the revival of Detroit is beyond stupid.

If Marvin Winans wants to move his tax-exempt church to the suburbs then by all means he can leave. There is over 1500 churches in Detroit. I don't think the city will split in half if the Winans wanted to leave.

Stosh · February-16-10, 10:45 PM

I believe Pugh was entirely correct in what he said. First, the Pastor does not live within the city limits. second, the church pays no taxes. I wonder whether Winians pays COD income tax on his earnings?

**eno** · February-16-10, 11:01 PM

You have to wonder if there isn't a subtext in the flare-up between Winans and Pugh and how the Black Church treats and views homosexuality.

**Goose** · February-16-10, 11:06 PM

hurray of pugh, more people need to ask relevant questions like this.....

**detroitsgwenivere** · February-16-10, 11:20 PM

"Now that we have a new council and mostly men...."

Paleese. Sheila Cockrel walked out of one of her last city council meetings in objection to this crap. The women weren't the problem, it was the bible thumping MEN and WOMEN who were the problem. I believe her words were, " It's not our job to legislate morality to Detroiters." And many tax paying Detroit women, including myself, agree with her.

**R8RBOB** · February-17-10, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by detroitsgwenivere

"Now that we have a new council and mostly men...."

Paleese. Sheila Cockrel walked out of one of her last city council meetings in objection to this crap. The women weren't the problem, it was the bible thumping MEN and WOMEN who were the problem. I believe her words were, " It's not our job to legislate morality to Detroiters." And many tax paying Detroit women, including myself, agree with her.

Now, now, I am not trying to be a chauvinist we had a council with seven females. The council at the time could have shut this down at its infancy but some members like JoAnn Watson kept this garbage going.

**professorscott** · February-17-10, 12:46 AM

As a former City resident, I was always furious with the amount of attention the government and law enforcement paid to enforcing what goes on inside taverns. Not specifically strip clubs, but just taverns in general.

I did not leave Detroit because I was offended by anything going on inside this or that tavern, a place where adults freely choose to congregate. I left because my car was stolen [[repeatedly) and my home was burglarized [[repeatedly) and the police seemed to have nobody available to investigate or put a stop to such crimes, yet the police seemed to have plenty of men available to investigate the goings-on inside the city's many pubs, clubs and taverns.

It occurred to me then - I left Detroit in 1990 - that the city was disastrously misallocating its precariously thin resources, and shamefully abusing my tax dollars, if it was more important to the city to send police into bars and clubs than to investigate burglaries and car thefts.

It never offended me that there was sex going on in strip clubs, if there was, or that people were smoking weed in some bars, if they were. It offended me a great deal that people could steal my stuff with complete impunity. It still does.

Kids, we have limited resources, and we should focus on the real problems. Charles Pugh understands that and some of our more vocal church folks do not.

**reddog289** · February-17-10, 01:11 AM

As a non resident of the city I myself should care less, Yet I see the point where you would want the city to have more businesses then liquor stores, bars, casinos, and strip slubs. But the fact is strip clubs bring business to the City good or bad, and they pay taxes and employ workers who are supposed to pay taxes.
I myself wouldn't really enjoy living next to a strip club or any business that has late hours and traffic. But also in my opinion that is between the neighborhood ,the city and the business owner.As a matter of fact I don't look at the whole city of Detroit as full of strip clubs as I have seen more churches then stripclubs in the city as well as the suburbs.To say that the city would be much safer without strip clubs is nonsense, and to place restrictions that defeat the purpose of said establishments is also nonsense.

**stasu1213** · February-17-10, 02:45 AM

I thnk that Paster Winan and others who supports him should take this to the State Capital in Lansing. Going to the council is like going the Wolves requesting that they give civil rights to the roaming sheep. All strip clubs should be moved to a district such as an old warehouse/factory area. There are no homes in those areas. Move them to the old Spartan Atlantic area on Warren and Conners. I don't agrree with having them at all especially in the neighborhoods. Pastor Winans didn't bring out the point that horny customers could be roaming the streets or area after leaving a strip club and rape an innocent women coming home from work or a child coming from a friends house at ten o clock at night. One of the main issue is the high potential of harrassment and rape to the female residents in the area.

**stasu1213** · February-17-10, 02:49 AM

These councilpersons could be on the Take. Strip club owners and Liquor Store owners could throw a couple of bones at these despictable council persons who bends down and pick it up. Charles Pugh could be one of them. When a candidate runs for office research should be done on him/her. Find out what major entity is financing their campaign. You will know who has the remote control controlling the decision the robot councilperson or Mayor will make.

**sumas** · February-17-10, 03:23 AM

Personally don't much care for preachers or politicians who try to legislate so called "vice".

My eldest son attended a daycare next to a strip club and a shared parking lot. Only ever once had a problem with a patron. He took exception to the fact that I was a working mother and harassed me. In fact, he told me I was a terrible woman and his own wife stayed home with their kids. Naturally, I am thinking if your own home life is so great what are you doing in a titty club? He did scare me.

Called the club and they knew exactly who I was talking about. They banned the SOB. He was a drunk with issues with women. I say live and let live. If someone wants to go to those places it doesn't make them bad people. Those establishments don't want creeps either.

**softailrider** · February-17-10, 04:21 AM

First deal with the open air drug markets that I see all over the city, then deal with vice problems that happen behind closed doors.

**stasu1213** · February-17-10, 05:47 AM

A caller on the Mildred Gaddis show did suggest to Pastor Marvin Winans to take this to the State. The legislators. The pastor's reply was that the people in Lansing don't want it in their neighborhood. The pastor should take that suggestion and leading a protest in Lansing. He and other Men of the Cloth that have churches not too far from a strip joint. This case could go to the Supreme Court for there are ordinances in place. He could win. I don't understand why he is still fooling with those on the common council.

Ravine · February-17-10, 06:50 AM

Great, just great. 2010 is off to a terrific start, with one of our area's numerous pain-in-the-ass loudmouth preachers and our gay new City Council president celebrating Valentine's week by getting into a squealing & honking match about strip joints.

**Big Dog** · February-17-10, 07:23 AM

They used to take up 3 collections per service at his church.

**R8RBOB** · February-17-10, 07:24 AM

I'm not big on Pugh but I am glad that he called out Winans for the hypocrite that he is. Regardless that he is against these establishments of sin, he attempted to turn this into a issue of color. By calling out the owners of this strip clubs as suburban what he was saying that they were White. Mind you that Winans live in Bloomfield Township and he in fact may live near these same owners who also have a "part" in the city even if the business is not up to the standards of the church.

**Brittz** · February-17-10, 08:23 AM

The people who live in the neighborhood have to fight for their daughters' safety constantly. Young women can't walk without being accosted on 8 mile and have not been able to so for more the last 30 years.

**bailey** · February-17-10, 08:35 AM

The people who live in the neighborhood have to fight for their daughters' safety constantly. Young women can't walk without being accosted on 8 mile and have not been able to so for more the last 30 years.

I really doubt that. Noise..drunks...maybe some late night nookie in a parked car, but c'mon, the lock up yer daughters routine is a bit ridiculous. Also, if the strip club was there when you moved in [[30 years by your statement), who's fault is that? Isn't that sort of like moving to McMansion out in the sprawl that is next to a working farm and suing the farmer over the smell?

**TKshreve** · February-17-10, 09:12 AM

Where was Pugh when we nneded him to put Monica in her place. Apparently we have someone with wit and tact on the council as of now. Go Charles!

BTW - I could give a rats a$$ about what some hipocritical, racist, tax-exempt preacher thinks or says. Apparently he knows how to single handedly save the city, eh? Maybe if he spent some time instructing his congregation on how to effectively raise a family and contribute towards society, Detroit would be a little bit more functional. Yeah, and these strip clubs should really be at the top of the priority list for Detroit. :Facepalm:

**kryptonite** · February-17-10, 09:16 AM

That I know of churches are tax exempt, as well as church property such as schools. Charles Pugh had a good point, how many of these highly-paid religious bags of hot air actually live in Detroit?

I guess by the opponents' logic an abandoned dark business without tits and ass are preferable to lit, guarded establishments that clean up their parking lots and EMPLOY people.

Don't forget, the idiot preachers vehemently opposed gambling casinos in Detroit, partly claiming they would bring crime. God forbid crime should come to Detroit.