It happens in other Cities

**MJCMEX** · January-04-10, 08:34 PM

Hi everyone.

Again I am not saying that Detroit is less dangerous than Las Vegas, but just so that you know deadly violence happens in other cities check this out.

People who live in Las Vegas know that it is much deadlier and more violent than the local news is willing to report.

This kind of stuff happens a lot, but usually not in a cout house.

I am submitting this so that you know yours is not the only city with real problems.

**Fury13** · January-04-10, 08:35 PM

North Las Vegas always had a terrible rep when I lived in Nevada. People knew to stay away from that area.

**MJCMEX** · January-04-10, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Fury13

North Las Vegas always had a terrible rep when I lived in Nevada. People knew to stay away from that area.

This was the court house, which is down town but I live in North Las Vegas.

When I moved into this house 4 years ago the neighborhood was quiet. Now it's been taken over by gang activity.

I am not leaving because of the crime however. I am leaving because of the ridiculously inflated housing prices. Why should I pay 100 K to live in just as dangerous a neighborhood as one where I can pay 8 K?

**MJCMEX** · January-04-10, 08:42 PM

Sorry,

I need to re post the link.

**MJCMEX** · January-04-10, 08:45 PM

Here is the direct youtube link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iNtwvY4Dxw

**Ray1936** · January-04-10, 08:51 PM

Biggest problem in my area of the Las Vegas valley [[Henderson) are coyotes and bobcats. Like any place else, life ain't so bad in the 'burbs.

Funny thing...Las Vegas is like Detroit and most other cities on one thing: If you're on a street named "Martin Luther King", you're in a bad neighborhood. Go figure.

**ejames01** · January-04-10, 08:58 PM

That is racist, but true....

Originally Posted by Ray1936

Biggest problem in my area of the Las Vegas valley [[Henderson) are coyotes and bobcats. Like any place else, life ain't so bad in the 'burbs.

Funny thing...Las Vegas is like Detroit and most other cities on one thing: If you're on a street named "Martin Luther King", you're in a bad neighborhood. Go figure.

**MJCMEX** · January-04-10, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ray1936

Biggest problem in my area of the Las Vegas valley [[Henderson) are coyotes and bobcats. Like any place else, life ain't so bad in the 'burbs.

Funny thing...Las Vegas is like Detroit and most other cities on one thing: If you're on a street named "Martin Luther King", you're in a bad neighborhood. Go figure.

Poor Dr King got screwed when it comes to location.

My wife and I have the same joke about Presidential Streets. Never live on a president because you're in the worst part of town.

It's like some sort of sick joke the city fathers are trying to play with MLK:
He fought to get his people out of poverty, only to be placed there permanently by civic planning.

Yeah Hederson is great unless you're in "Hooterville". I am not sure what the crime rate is there but it's pretty damned ugly. I'm up North, Simmons and Cheyenne. As I said before it used to be quiet here, but not any more.

LodgeDodger · January-04-10, 09:22 PM

I'm a little fuzzy on your history, but have you ever been to Detroit? I laughed out loud when I read your comparison of Las Vegas to Detroit.

**softailrider** · January-04-10, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Ray1936

Biggest problem in my area of the Las Vegas valley [[Henderson) are coyotes and bobcats. Like any place else, life ain't so bad in the 'burbs.

Funny thing...Las Vegas is like Detroit and most other cities on one thing: If you're on a street named "Martin Luther King", you're in a bad neighborhood. Go figure.

There is an old Chris Rock joke about that. He mentioned that MLK preached non-violence, but, if you're on MLK street in any city there's violence going on.

**MJCMEX** · January-04-10, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by LodgeDodger

I'm a little fuzzy on your history, but have you ever been to Detroit? I laughed out loud when I read your comparison of Las Vegas to Detroit.

Yes actually I have, and I now own a home on Buckingham in front of Clark Elementary.

I also lived in Los Angles for 40 years and drove in and out of all sorts of rough neighborhoods.

As I say I am not at all comparing. I am just trying to say that violent crime happens elsewhere as well.

Now have you ever been to North Las Vegas, say the intersection of Lake Mead and Simmons?
Have you ever had to peel a dead hooker out between a matress?

Stuff like that happens here. It's not that great a place.

I am not saying it's worse than Detroit, or even the same, but before you laugh me at least come check out the neighborhoods I'm talking about in LA and Las Vegas. Drive through South Central LA, hang out in Boyle Heights, or go down to Nellis in North Las Vegas near the projects.

These are not nice safe places.

**artds** · January-04-10, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by MJCMEX

Hi everyone.

Again I am not saying that Detroit is less dangerous than Las Vegas, but just so that you know deadly violence happens in other cities check this out.

People who live in Las Vegas know that it is much deadlier and more violent than the local news is willing to report.

This kind of stuff happens a lot, but usually not in a cout house.

I am submitting this so that you know yours is not the only city with real problems.

The comparison you made is like pointing out that a Bentley and Pinto both have dirt on their tires and then suggesting that the two vehicles are similar based on that observation.

**jiminnm** · January-04-10, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ray1936

Biggest problem in my area of the Las Vegas valley [[Henderson) are coyotes and bobcats. Like any place else, life ain't so bad in the 'burbs.

Funny thing...Las Vegas is like Detroit and most other cities on one thing: If you're on a street named "Martin Luther King", you're in a bad neighborhood. Go figure.

Sad, but also true in Albuquerque.

**Red Devil** · January-04-10, 10:28 PM

Ok, Detroit is rough and tough, got it. But North Las Vegas is no joke either. One of my buddies who grew up in NLV had been shot at 3 times by the time he got out of high school. I'd venture to say that Las Vegas's gang issues are much worse than Detroit's, although the overall crime rates may differ.

Originally Posted by artds

The comparison you made is like pointing out that a Bentley and Pinto both have dirt on their tires and then suggesting that the two vehicles are similar based on that observation.

LodgeDodger · January-04-10, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by MJCMEX

Yes actually I have, and I now own a home on Buckingham in front of Clark Elementary.

I also lived in Los Angles for 40 years and drove in and out of all sorts of rough neighborhoods.

As I say I am not at all comparing. I am just trying to say that violent crime happens elsewhere as well.

Now have you ever been to North Las Vegas, say the intersection of Lake Mead and Simmons?
Have you ever had to peel a dead hooker out between a matress?

Stuff like that happens here. It's not that great a place.

I am not saying it's worse than Detroit, or even the same, but before you laugh me at least come check out the neighborhoods I'm talking about in LA and Las Vegas. Drive through South Central LA, hang out in Boyle Heights, or go down to Nellis in North Las Vegas near the projects.

These are not nice safe places.

Okay, so you've picked up a place in Detroit--good for you. May you thrive.

Problem is, you're just not *getting* it. South Central LA, Boyle Heights Nellis in North Las Vegas--they're all AREAS of their respective cities. But they're not the whole city. I'm going to leave you with your ideas, as I can't change 'em.

Oh, and no, I've never been to any of those areas, nor do I plan to.

**MJCMEX** · January-04-10, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by LodgeDodger

Okay, so you've picked up a place in Detroit--good for you. May you thrive.

Problem is, you're just not *getting* it. South Central LA, Boyle Heights Nellis in North Las Vegas--they're all AREAS of their respective cities. But they're not the whole city. I'm going to leave you with your ideas, as I can't change 'em.

Oh, and no, I've never been to any of those areas, nor do I plan to.

Wow you sound so angry. It doesn't even seem logical to me. I am moving to what I assume is your current home town. I'm a decent guy. I have an internet business so I won't be taking a job from anybody else but I am likely to bring jobs to others.

I did comps for the area I bought in. It sounds like that area has some decent value to it compared to other places. So I decided to go for it. I don't see why that angers you so much.

Do you want Detroit to come back or do you want it to stay the way it is?
If you do fine, keep being rude to people who move there. Laugh at them when they try to point out that other big cities have crime.

If not you may want to think twice about treating people who buy there like fools or lepers.

MichMatters · January-05-10, 01:04 AM

Really, what was the point of this thread. "It happens in other cities" only needs to be brought up when someone is exaggerating the danger of one place over another [[and that does happen around here, quite a bit), but this seems in response to absolutely nothing, a silly little piece of pre-emptive ranting. Unless someone is exaggerating the dangers of Detroit, I couldn't care less what is happening in other cities as far as crime and danger are concerned.

I've been to North Las Vegas. By metro Vegas standards, it's bad. But, let's just be clear about something. North Las Vegas' murder rate per 100,000 people was 4.8 in 2008. Detroit's has consistently been at or over 40. North Las Vegas' total violent crime rate per 100,000 people was 709 last year; Detroit's was nearly 2,000. Let's get real.

**MJCMEX** · January-05-10, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by MichMatters

Really, what was the point of this thread. "It happens in other cities" only needs to be brought up when someone is exaggerating the danger of one place over another [[and that does happen around here, quite a bit), but this seems in response to absolutely nothing, a silly little piece of pre-emptive ranting. Unless someone is exaggerating the dangers of Detroit, I couldn't care less what is happening in other cities as far as crime and danger are concerned.

I've been to North Las Vegas. By metro Vegas standards, it's bad. But, let's just be clear about something. North Las Vegas' murder rate per 100,000 people was 4.8 in 2008. Detroit's has consistently been at or over 40. North Las Vegas' total violent crime rate per 100,000 people was 709 last year; Detroit's was nearly 2,000. Let's get real.

You can't go by statistics to measure the murder rate of Las Vegas. That is well known among people who LIVE in Las Vegas. You have no idea how much control the casinos have over reporting that kind of information. Hit the police blotters. They are much more accurate.

I am also not ranting nor am I saying that the murder rate of North Las Vegas is anywhere near as bad as Detroit.

What I am saying is that violent crime does happen elsewhere. I meant it as an objective statement. If violence in other cities doesn't interest you, fine ignore my post. I have to ask the same question however that I asked the othe poster, though I do recognize that your post is a bit more measured and less hostile:

Do you want people such as myself to move to Detroit in order to help revitalize the city, or do you just want to scare us away by saying "It's the worst place in the world, don't bother to move here."?

It's your call.

Retroit · January-05-10, 12:07 PM

MJCMEX, feel free to be selective in the posts that you respond to.

The murderer in Las Vegas went on his shooting spree because he believed that his Social Security check was reduced because he was black. I wonder how much race-based anger is provoked by the so-called black leaders, who continue to spread their lies about some great white conspiracy against blacks. Could we not consider this backlash a form of terrorism? If militant Islamics can be classified as terrorists, why not militant blacks?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...,6527336.story

**GOAT** · January-05-10, 12:08 PM

No, Detroit isn't alone but it is one of the worst. Stop pretending like it isn't.

**krapug1** · January-05-10, 12:22 PM

Here was a not so good story from Philly, a city that boasts about all the things it has in it's downtown [[a/k/a Center City) compared to other cities, like Detroit.

Not the best news when you try to get people to shop "downtown", or in this case, Center City.

Friday, December 18, 2009
Roving gangs of teens have police on alert in Center City

Police are monitoring large groups of roving teenagers in Center City.

Police said they had been alerted that youths planned to gather in the area in response to a dust up earlier in the week at the food court at the Gallery.

The message for the gathering apprently had been spread via the Internet, police said.

Security guards were posted at every entrance to the Gallery Mall on Market Street and reportedly were not letting anyone under the age of 18 in.

Police reported groups of 100 to 200 teens in the areas of Market Street, Sansom Street, Chestnut Street and Broad Street starting around 2 p.m..

One woman who was Christmas shopping reported she had been punched in the face by a girl after she found herself in the midst of 70 to 100 youths on Market Street. The blow bruised her face and knocked out a lens to her sunglasses.

Police have set up a command center at the Gallery.

Six police vehicles responded to a Wendy's on 15th and Chestnut when a call came that there were 100 teens inside. The officers dispersed the group.

In the midst of the confusion, a man robbed a bank at 18th and Market Streets about 2 p.m.

Read more breaking news in our From The Source blog.

**MJCMEX** · January-05-10, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Retroit

MJCMEX, feel free to be selective in the posts that you respond to.

The murderer in Las Vegas went on his shooting spree because he believed that his Social Security check was reduced because he was black. I wonder how much race-based anger is provoked by the so-called black leaders, who continue to spread their lies about some great white conspiracy against blacks. Could we not consider this backlash a form of terrorism? If militant Islamics can be classified as terrorists, why not militant blacks?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...,6527336.story

Good advice

I didn't know it before I moved here but Las Vegas had the reputation at one time as being the "Mississippi of the West" in terms of segregation. A lot of that tension still exists. This guy to me is an extreme example, perhaps paranoid.
By the same token he had his benefits cut by about $550. That is pretty tough.

What can really drive people over the edge here is that whole "you have to know someone" to get a job bit. It is most likely the opposite issue that Detroit has. We have plenty of people and a need for plenty of services, but some of the most incompetent people are hired for jobs while others are passed over because the don't know the "right people".

I am not just talking about the Casinos. This goes on at Wal Mart.

Unless I am mistaken Detroit seems to be suffering from a lack of people, competent or otherwise.

I have no patience for people of color who blame everything that goes wrong in their lives upon "racism". I am Mexican American so you had better believe I have experienced real discrimination before. That does not give me the right to go shoot up a court house. I agree with you, and I would add that if any profiling happens it should be based upon extreme behavior and skin color should not be an issue one way or the other.

And for the guy with the "Bentley Pinto" comparison I have to say that Vegas is at best Chevy Nova. It doesn't blow up on contact, but it still has many problems under the hood.

The old Chicano joke: Never name a Car "No-Va"

**RickBeall** · January-05-10, 12:56 PM

Hi MJCMEX,
Welcome to Detroit! I really enjoy living here and I look forward to having you as a new citizen of the city.

A lot of time negativity is self inducing, people create their own bad luck, and I see that sometimes in the forums here. I think some folks jumped on you pretty hard for your first post.

Among other things, Detroit has a very large and vibrant Mexican population so you will have a lot to explore here. I think the Mexican area of Detroit is about the only ethnic enclave that has really survived in Detroit. ... heck, I'm I'm not careful, I might slide into negativity accidently right now.

We all look forward to future conversations with you on this forum. There is a lot to see and do in Detroit, but it is so scattered that sometimes it seems like you have to be a native to find interesting things. Being on this board will be a big help.

MJCMEX

**GOAT** · January-05-10, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by RickBeall

A lot of time negativity is self inducing, people create their own bad luck, and I see that sometimes in the forums here.

MJCMEX

Do you really believe that? People walking out to their car, parked in their OWN driveway, get carjacked by some sheet-heel and they brought it on by negative thought? Do you really believe your verbal diarrhea?

How about the little girl who gets shot in the head playing in her OWN bedroom because some un-educated moron decides to open fire on the house next door but still misses the intended house completely? Yup! That little girl MUSt have had negative thoughts.

**MJCMEX** · January-05-10, 01:08 PM

[quote=RickBeall;106915]Hi MJCMEX,
Welcome to Detroit! I really enjoy living here and I look forward to having you as a new citizen of the city.

A lot of time negativity is self inducing, people create their own bad luck, and I see that sometimes in the forums here. I think some folks jumped on you pretty hard for your first post.

Among other things, Detroit has a very large and vibrant Mexican population so you will have a lot to explore here. I think the Mexican area of Detroit is about the only ethnic enclave that has really survived in Detroit. ... heck, I'm I'm not careful, I might slide into negativity accidently right now.

We all look forward to future conversations with you on this forum. There is a lot to see and do in Detroit, but it is so scattered that sometimes it seems like you have to be a native to find interesting things. Being on this board will be a big help.

Thanks for being so positive Rick.

I have heard that there is also a large Arabic community, which is exciting for us because my wife is from Damascus. She is a interior designer and very interested in restoration projects, historical preservation etc.

I know it may not make sense to everyone and we are not complete ninnies.We realize that we may need a big dog, shotguns, bars on the inside of the basement windows etc...but we tried our best to research to area we bought in and it looks like it is worth trying to save.

Honestly the worst that could happen is that the pessimists could be right and we could have really horrible experiences that drive us out of the city. I've seen the rows of arson casualties. I know that there are serious problems, but the opportunity to own a good sized beautiful home without any mortgage is not to be taken lightly. Right at the moment that is one of Detroit's best selling points.

Thanks for the welcome