Hey, who lobbies for us?

**1KielsonDrive** · December-22-09, 11:44 AM

Hey, who lobbies for us? You know, middle, working class stiffs and the unwashed masses. Those of us who have no memberships to athletic and golf and country clubs. No health care or pensions. No yachts or jets. Everyday people. The ones who pay the taxes to bailout CEO's and corporations so they can screw us with no medical coverage, usurous credit rates, escalating gas prices, monopolistic cable companies and energy providers.

**Kevgoblue** · December-22-09, 11:49 AM

Starting a couple months before an election, every politician says they do. After the election is over.....nobody.

**rb336** · December-22-09, 12:05 PM

Only Kucinich, Feingold and Sanders. the only real liberals in DC

Retroit · December-22-09, 12:39 PM

"Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other" - Oscar Ameringer [[or Gerald Ford

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ccbatson · December-22-09, 05:16 PM

The objectivists stand for individual rights...Teapartiers are now known to hold values congruent with objectivism.

**gibran** · December-22-09, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The objectivists stand for individual rights...Teapartiers are now known to hold values congruent with objectivism.

That is the winner of the most ridiculus post of the year

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ccbatson · December-22-09, 05:26 PM

Because??? What makes you think so? Are you thinking at all? Do you understand the comment?

**gibran** · December-22-09, 05:29 PM

yes I try to understand rambling generalizations: I am sure that some of the liberals here feel objective about their individual rights..they just engage in practices that extend individual rights to all equally.

ccbatson · December-22-09, 05:33 PM

Sigh...as suspected, you don't know what an objectivist, or the objectivist philosophy is. Try Leonard Peikhoff's book on the subject. Or, closer to the source, Ayn Rand's

**gibran** · December-22-09, 05:41 PM

I have been to the mountain of Rand and the valley is clouded with greed...I my dear Doctor beleive in a Constructionist understanding of life..it shows that I can get outside my silos...

**1KielsonDrive** · December-23-09, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

the objectivists stand for individual rights...teapartiers are now known to hold values congruent with objectivism.

wtf? Wtf? Wtf?

**1KielsonDrive** · December-23-09, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

because??? What makes you think so? Are you thinking at all? Do you understand the comment?

wtf? Wtf? Wtf?

**1KielsonDrive** · December-23-09, 01:25 AM

Hey Bats, you're hi-jacking my thread with your objectivist, neo-connish, philological, constructivist, new wave, ideological, one liners. I suggest you write a book instead. You could cover everything in about - oh, maybe, 5 pages of intellectual soliloquies.

**rb336** · December-23-09, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The objectivists stand for individual rights...Teapartiers are now known to hold values congruent with objectivism.

Objectivists judge everything with how it meshes with their cannon, regardless of the facts, which is, of course, the opposite of being objective [[as Bats shows with virtually every post)

once again, only three people in congress are actually working for the people. the rest are working for the lobby money

**East Detroit** · December-23-09, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

Hey, who lobbies for us? You know, middle, working class stiffs and the unwashed masses. Those of us who have no memberships to athletic and golf and country clubs. No health care or pensions. No yachts or jets. Everyday people. The ones who pay the taxes to bailout CEO's and corporations so they can screw us with no medical coverage, usurous credit rates, escalating gas prices, monopolistic cable companies and energy providers.

Sadly, in the partisan game world of politics, the only way you can get that access is via cash.

So, it depends upon which PAC you give your cash to. But if you think you'll be able to compete with corporate money.... good luck.

Lorax · December-23-09, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The objectivists stand for individual rights...Teapartiers are now known to hold values congruent with objectivism.

LOL!!!!

Teabag Gaggers are holding something alright-

like a chicken between their knees.

"Values" have little to do with it.

What a joke.

Lorax · December-23-09, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

Only Kucinich, Feingold and Sanders. the only real liberals in DC

Truest words yet spoken.

Bernie Sanders as president, please, and Kucinich as speaker.

**oladub** · December-23-09, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

Only Kucinich, Feingold and Sanders. the only real liberals in DC

Kucinich, Sanders, Nader, Kaptur and sometimes Feingold and Grayson often stand up to corporatism. On the Republican side of the spectrum, I'm partial to Ron Paul who has voted with Kucinich more often then McCain. As a advocacy organization I like the Campaign for Liberty which does just that in its attacks on the corporate welfare/warfare state.

**gibran** · December-23-09, 11:42 AM

I kinda Like Nader[[wish he would ahve held an office)..and Kucinich...to bad their voices are obscured with the clouds of this weak minded congress and their corporate backers

**Pam** · December-23-09, 01:10 PM

In addition to some of the above mentioned names, Sen. Al Franken seems to be doing a good job so far.

ccbatson · December-23-09, 04:12 PM

The value of liberty and individual rights is at the very heart of what is supposed to be a representative republic as was the intention when we were founded declaring "independence". All of these socialist libs mentioned above represent the opposite of these core values, and therefore are not upholding their duty as "representatives" of anything but a collectivist state.

Lorax · December-23-09, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The value of liberty and individual rights is at the very heart of what is supposed to be a representative republic as was the intention when we were founded declaring "independence". All of these socialist libs mentioned above represent the opposite of these core values, and therefore are not upholding their duty as "representatives" of anything but a collectivist state.

.....and a partridge in a pear tree.

Merry Christmas evrabody!

**rb336** · December-24-09, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The value of liberty and individual rights blather blather blather.

this from someone who voices no objection to [[and has often voiced support for)the eroding of our rights, the suspension of habeas corpus, etc. to this person, we can have a total police state as long as he gets to keep his mindless toys, and he would still consider it a "free society"

**1KielsonDrive** · December-26-09, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by gibran

I kinda Like Nader[[wish he would ahve held an office)..and Kucinich...to bad their voices are obscured with the clouds of this weak minded congress and their corporate backers

Gibran, I'm with you on both counts. I don't know what convinced me to work for 'Change You Can Believe In'. So far, I've had to suspend my belief. We went from the Neo-cons to the Neo-blue dogs.

Blarf · December-26-09, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

Hey, who lobbies for us? You know, middle, working class stiffs and the unwashed masses. Those of us who have no memberships to athletic and golf and country clubs. No health care or pensions. No yachts or jets. Everyday people. The ones who pay the taxes to bailout CEO's and corporations so they can screw us with no medical coverage, usurous credit rates, escalating gas prices, monopolistic cable companies and energy providers.

Nobody. Everyday people can't afford campaigns with enough lobbying power to influence politics.