Palin at it again... Can't even make it up.

**Sstashmoo** · November-27-09, 07:10 PM

Palin Suggests Canada Should 'Reform' Health System To 'Let The Private Sector Take Over'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8w4...ayer_embedded#

**Detroit Stylin** · November-27-09, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Palin Suggests Canada Should 'Reform' Health System To 'Let The Private Sector Take Over'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8w4...ayer_embedded#

SMDH but this is the messiah of the right.....

Blarf · November-28-09, 02:15 AM

Palin holds no political office. She resigned as governor because she could make more money with her book deals. Who cares what she thinks?

Lorax · November-28-09, 09:55 AM

Apparently no one if her book sales are any indication.

The phony sales numbers are buoyed by the advance purchases made by right wing stink tanks, the RNC, and FOX noise.

No doubt given away as [[fishnet) stocking stuffers this year.

**d.mcc** · November-28-09, 03:54 PM

Someday I'd like to have a #1 bestseller for failing to become vice-president, quitting as governor, and not aborting a child

ccbatson · November-28-09, 05:30 PM

Is that wrong? To suggest that a failing socialised system privatize [[which they are doing to a limited degree btw) is wrong? How so?

**elganned** · November-28-09, 09:35 PM

The Canadian system isn't failing. Ours is. Do the math.

**Gannon** · November-29-09, 03:35 AM

Ha, El, he is part of the math.

If he could do himself, I think someone would've suggested it by now.

Palin is obviously an MK-Ultra Presidential Model...the Manchurian Candidate reborn in female form. Fifty years ago, all women were able to do for the CIA was spy, entice, and remember information with their alter-personalities instilled by Mind Kontrol experts.

NOW? Tell me there isn't something odd about her rise to fame and insistence on holding what little scraps of it remain!

**Meddle** · November-29-09, 03:44 AM

Fame?

Or infamy?

ccbatson · November-29-09, 08:41 PM

To the extent that our health care is socialised [[Medicare, Medicaid, over regulation, organised labor, and insurance companies following Medicare closely)...you are correct that THIS is broken and what needs to be fixed.

That aside, doing the math, we are still far better off in terms of access and quality of health care than Canada.

**d.mcc** · November-30-09, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

That aside, doing the math, we are still far better off in terms of access and quality of health care than Canada.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Nope... and seven spots ahead of us. Oh, look at number 1...

**mauser** · November-30-09, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

That aside, doing the math, we are still far better off in terms of access and quality of health care than Canada.

"access " ? In Canada 100% of the population has "access".

In the United States, 40 million plus - have NO ACCESS.

No access = no quality.

Your statement is a lie.

Rideron · November-30-09, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by mauser

"access " ? In Canada 100% of the population has "access".

In the United States, 40 million plus - have NO ACCESS.

No access = no quality.

Your statement is a lie.

Actually, yours is the false statement.

In the U.S. there is 100% access to health care.

There is 100% access to food & housing, too.

What you mean is that some don't have to money or insurance to pay for it.

So, what irks you is that health care is not 'free'.

Isn't food actually more important on a daily basis than health care?

Why aren't you advocating free food for all?

Or free houses for all?

Or free cars for all?

Or free vacations for all?

**rb336** · November-30-09, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by d.mcc

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Nope... and seven spots ahead of us. Oh, look at number 1...

oh -- and look at 28 -- a totaly socialized system that is paid for by what? oh yeah! US tax dollars that subsidize the entire country of Israel

**ghettopalmetto** · November-30-09, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Rideron

Actually, yours is the false statement.

In the U.S. there is 100% access to health care.

There is 100% access to food & housing, too.

What you mean is that some don't have to money or insurance to pay for it.

So, what irks you is that health care is not 'free'.

Volunteering is "free" too. Get yourself to a soup kitchen or a hospital, and report back to us that we still have "100% access" to health care, food, and housing.

Lorax · November-30-09, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Rideron

Actually, yours is the false statement.

In the U.S. there is 100% access to health care.

There is 100% access to food & housing, too.

What you mean is that some don't have to money or insurance to pay for it.

So, what irks you is that health care is not 'free'.

Isn't food actually more important on a daily basis than health care?

Why aren't you advocating free food for all?

Or free houses for all?

Or free cars for all?

Or free vacations for all?

No, actually yours is the false statement, as well as "Dr." Batts.

Access in this case implies use of and taking advantage of, which in our system requires either paid for health care, or mountains of cash. In the absence of these, there is no access.

I have access to the sun as well, but I can't touch it or own it, but I can USE it to get a suntan and some vitamin D.

Until we realize in a nation with over 300 million in population that a healthy nation is a productive and fit nation, then we all lose. Yes it's a modern-day social right, and should have been all along if it weren't for the fascist corporate ownership of our government in the last 40 years.

Other nations get this, and are far better off at access and quality of care than we are. The wealthy have it best in this country, as they always have, and now it's time to spread the benefits out a little.

Also, we already have access to health care for those over 65, it's called Medicare. And access to those without means, and that's called Medicaid. Our veterans have it as well.

It's time to extend it to all Americans. And not by some lousy public option, but through what we already have in the above mentioned programs- a single payer system. Make is simple and efficient, which the current health bill will never achieve.

**Sstashmoo** · November-30-09, 03:22 PM

I think a Canadian summed it up best lately. "A person's health should not be a commodity for profit."

The majority of these folks against some other form of healthcare are positioning themselves on two factors, it ain't what Rush is saying, and they have healthcare, they aren't paying for. Let them start buying their own on a sole policy basis, they will want something else too.

Rideron · November-30-09, 07:53 PM

As I said, there is 100% access to health care for all right now.

What irks you is that its not 'free' access to all.

Thanks for proving my point

ccbatson · November-30-09, 07:57 PM

Welcome Rideron...we need more common sensers like you.

Lorax · November-30-09, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rideron

As I said, there is 100% access to health care for all right now.

What irks you is that its not 'free' access to all.

Thanks for proving my point

You couldn't prove your point, and no one else has either, since there isn't one- unless of course your a wealthy elitist who's ignorant enough to think the diseases of the poor don't affect the rich.

Health care is a RIGHT for all in a modern socialized democracy such as ours, not the exclusive right of only the wealthy.

You'll change your tune when your gardener or housekeeper comes down with TB and doesn't tell you about it and infects your family.

I think we have another fascist in our midst.

Lorax · November-30-09, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Welcome Rideron...we need more common sensers like you.

You always offer this trite "Julie the cruise director" welcome when you think you've sniffed out another Rethuglican. Funny!

**Diehard** · November-30-09, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Rideron

As I said, there is 100% access to health care for all right now.

Of course we have "100% access." Here's what it sounds like:

"I'm sorry, Mr. Jones, you have cancer."
"Oh my God! Can you cure me?"
"Why yes we can cure you! We have the greatest health care system in the world! Your surgery will cost $30,000."
"But I don't have $30,000."
"Sorry, you'd better go back to work, get a second and third job and start saving your money! And hurry, you probably have only six months to live unless you have surgery! Which we'll do, once you come up with $30,000. By the way, Mr. Jones, it's a good thing you came in, because with cancer, early detection is very important. Get plenty of rest now."

**Sstashmoo** · November-30-09, 11:28 PM

Quote: "As I said, there is 100% access to health care for all right now."

Sure there is, like we all have access to a beachfront condo in
Malibu. Nothing holding anyone back except that little stickler known as cost. Go price some medical insurance [[and not just any, some that actually covers something and doesn't have high deductible and copay, you know like the kind your employer or the government is GIVING you now, then come back and tell us how affordable it is. For a man, woman a couple kids it is well over a thousand per month. Pre-existing condition? Bend over. And if you start making any sort of claims, they spike your premium or just dump you. Then try to get some more, and see how much it is. Anyone that thinks the system is ok as it is, isn't paying for their own insurance. I'd bet on that.

**d.mcc** · December-01-09, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Anyone that thinks the system is ok as it is, isn't paying for their own insurance. I'd bet on that.

Its always great when you lose your job due to the economy and you have to hope every day is the day you don't get sick because when thought you make 1/4th of what you were previously making, you can't stretch your dollar enough to pay the 500$ a month it costs for the LOWEST medical insurance...

**Sstashmoo** · December-01-09, 01:16 AM

These people must be retired and locked into what was. Try getting a decent paying job now, where 6 or 700 a month for an individual policy is affordable. Them jobs and days are long gone.

[[Big inhale)
What pisses me off is the number of uninsured, and the opponent of these folks having access to healthcare that does not put them in literal bondage, is a bunch that thinks it's just fine to piss away trillions over in the middle east "fighting a war" few people even understand. Ranting and cheering and they have no idea why. Ask ten and you'll get ten different answers.