Tide of conversion

ccbatson · November-26-09, 12:05 AM

Well, now I have seen everything...a coworker has come to the other side. A lifelong liberal democrat is now firmly in the conservative camp and I never would have thought it would happen. We have had some brief debates over the years and this transformation is astounding to me.

Anyone else seeing what the polls seem to be confirming? A flip from either independent or liberal too conservative?

**ejames01** · November-26-09, 12:26 AM

And why do we need to know that?

ccbatson · November-26-09, 12:31 AM

It is a question. The description is background for people to understand the nature and context of that question.

Adults are talking now.

**ejames01** · November-26-09, 08:20 AM

That really does not mean anything. Most of my beliefs became more conservative under GWB [[who was a horrible conservative president). A person would have to be pretty weak minded to change their beliefs because they don't like the current president.

**ejames01** · November-26-09, 08:21 AM

And what does "firmly in the conservative camp" even mean? It sort of sounds like he is changing the "team that he roots for".

ccbatson · November-27-09, 12:31 AM

Recognizing the liberal ideology as socialist at its' core and that they do not agree with, or want the liberal socialist agenda to be realized. That is what I mean by being now firmly in the conservative camp.

Stosh · November-27-09, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Recognizing the liberal ideology as socialist at its' core and that they do not agree with, or want the liberal socialist agenda to be realized. That is what I mean by being now firmly in the conservative camp.

Which is, for you, the brown shirt fascists.

**ejames01** · November-27-09, 02:01 AM

ALL developed nations have socialist aspects of their society and government. What you are talking about, does not exist.

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Recognizing the liberal ideology as socialist at its' core and that they do not agree with, or want the liberal socialist agenda to be realized. That is what I mean by being now firmly in the conservative camp.

**Diehard** · November-27-09, 04:53 AM

Oh CC, you're soooo mysterious. Do elaborate. Unless you're too lazy to post any more than a few sentences at a time.

**East Detroit** · November-27-09, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Well, now I have seen everything...a coworker has come to the other side. A lifelong liberal democrat is now firmly in the conservative camp and I never would have thought it would happen. We have had some brief debates over the years and this transformation is astounding to me.

Anyone else seeing what the polls seem to be confirming? A flip from either independent or liberal too conservative?

No, I've seen the opposite both in polls and with my statistically significant samples of one.

**elganned** · November-27-09, 07:04 AM

Well, that's it then. The jig is up. Cc managed to convert the only liberal that mattered, so we can all go home now and wait for Cheney to be elected President For Life.

**Pam** · November-27-09, 10:16 AM

Something else to inflate Bats' ego. Just what we need.

**Sstashmoo** · November-27-09, 11:06 AM

Tide? If there is one it is people realizing that both parties and ideologies are failures and disassociating themselves with either. That is the only "tide" I've noticed.

**EMG** · November-27-09, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

A lifelong liberal democrat is now firmly in the conservative camp

When this happens it usually means either that some bum's welfare has run out forcing them to finally get a job, and/or a young former student has finally started working and gotten a gander at the deductions in his/her first paystub.

**Xiang** · November-27-09, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Recognizing the liberal ideology as socialist at its' core and that they do not agree with, or want the liberal socialist agenda to be realized. That is what I mean by being now firmly in the conservative camp.

Hello friend, it seems you have confusion about socialism. If one looks at government policies of conservative camp, you see economic failure and rapid de- industrializationlike in United States. Laissez faire capitalism without good state economic, trade, and industrial policy will lead to large unemployment and other problems like in USA and UK. I recommend a book for you: "General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money" by JM Keynes.

X888

ccbatson · November-27-09, 05:04 PM

Wrong Xiang...I recommend "Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal" to describe what socialism, collectivism, true capitalism and a mixed economies...your base premise is off.

Stosh · November-27-09, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Wrong Xiang...I recommend "Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal" to describe what socialism, collectivism, true capitalism and a mixed economies...your base premise is off.

I'd sooner recommend a book written by Mickey Mouse to that collection of misfits that wrote that book. Greenspan should be ashamed by his association with this source of toilet paper.To his credit, he later, during testimony in a congressional hearing on October 23, 2008, admitted that his free-market ideology shunning certain regulations was flawed.

And so is your premise.

ccbatson · November-27-09, 05:41 PM

Yet another typical nonsubstantive retort based on complete ignorance for Stosh to add to his collection.

Stosh · November-27-09, 05:47 PM

And another name calling episode from the peanut gallery. It's obvious to me that you have nothing of any substance to retort with, so you resort to the lowbrow. As usual.

ccbatson · November-27-09, 06:01 PM

What name was called? I see none.

Stosh · November-27-09, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

What name was called? I see none.

Keep reading. You will see it eventually. Offhanded as usual, but still there.

**Gistok** · November-27-09, 06:18 PM

If 1 persons change of political preference is considered "a tide"... what is it if 2 or 3 change their minds? A "deluge"? Making a meal out of a morsel is the way I see it.

And to put it into a proper perspective [[rather than a "weak analogy")... name me any president who's polls went up [[aside from a calamity like 9/11) after their elections?? [[sound of crickets)....

**elganned** · November-27-09, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Making a meal out of a morsel is the way I see it.

Mountain from a molehill, tempest in a teapot...many expressions apply.

Lorax · November-27-09, 09:19 PM

There is a "tide?"

LOL!!!

Sounds more like a fart in a bathtub to me.

The conservative fascist agenda is nothing too many intelligent people will be "flocking" to anytime soon.

A few more Wall Street stories of inflated fascist paypackages and gross profits should keep most people rightly focusing their anger on the wealthy where it belongs. Or a couple more years of job losses, lack of lending, foreclosures, etc, should also do the trick.

Intelligent people know where this started, and how it started. The collapse lies firmly in the laps of Rethuglicans.

If there is any "tide" needed here, it's the detergent variety, so Batts can scrub out his undies.