Glenn Beck and the rise of Fox News' militia media

**Pam** · April-09-09, 12:41 PM

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200904070009?f=h_top

**oladub** · April-09-09, 01:46 PM

In response to the rhetorical question at the end, "Do you think there are other Jim Adkissons out there listening to hate speech?" I would answer yes, on both the left and the right and amongst a few religious people and ecological extemists too. So what's the anwer to the ecological arsonists, ecological, pro-life, and World Tower bombers, and the slew of right wing, immigrant misfit, and domestic distrubance guys with guns? Is it censorship? I think that might be what the columnist and some posters on this board are hinting.

**Pam** · April-09-09, 02:00 PM

Where was censorship mentioned? I missed that part. I think he just wants Fox and others to stop pandering to the lunatic fringe and take some responsibility for the crap they put out.

Of course, the right-wingers at Free Republic are way ahead of Erickson as they fantasize about Obama's assassination: "And let's face it: all the speculation about Obama being the actual Antichrist will either be confirmed or denied if someone gets off a lucky shot at the SOB."

On the other hand, whoever wrote this will be visited by the Secret Service one day soon.

**rb336** · April-09-09, 02:03 PM

When an entire spectrum of media is monopolized by one side spewing more hate and exhortations to violence, it is clearly time to demonopolize the airwaves, which we, btw, own. There is no freedom to tell people to go kill or commit acts of violence against anyone, or commit arson, etc. the difference is, one group preaches hate and does, although not flagrantly, call its people to violence by calling anyone who disagrees with them "socialist" or "terrorist" or any of a number of things. the difference is, that one group [[Beck and Savage being the worst of them) has a huge amount of access to the airwaves, where the idiots on the eco fringe have virtually none.

**ghettopalmetto** · April-09-09, 02:10 PM

Note to Glenn Beck and the other idiots:

It's not called "Marxism", "fascism", or even "socialism". It's called LOSING, as in, the guy you voted for LOST the election. Just because you don't agree with Obama, you'd think it was the End of Days.

Valid criticism and suggesting alternate ideas is one thing. Crying like a candy-ass spoiled brat on national television is quite another.

**oladub** · April-09-09, 04:36 PM

Pam, I didn't say that censorship was mentioned in your article beyond my guess that it might be hinted at. Being hinted at and mentioned are different. There must be three similar threads posted here now with posters trying to generalize about the shooters. This has been a difficult task because almost all of these recent shooting deaths have been at the hands of people with no apparent right wing radio exposure. So with sixteen deaths by four shooters, all the reaction here has been to one shooter who killed three with the other shootings being used to illogically support the thesis that it is the fault of right wing radio rather than whatever caused him to drop out of school and then get kicked out of the Marines.

Since some of these same posters have repeatedly mentioned that Obama has no gun control agenda what does that leave? Everyone here has been careful not to mention hate speech legislation and the 'fairness doctrine' but where is all the ranting about evil right wing talk show hosts supposed to lead except to censorship. Rb seems to be doing that in his last post but that was after I suggested that I think that is what was being hinted at. Maybe he wants government agents to attend churches and mosques too to insure that nothing is taught there that could be construed to promote violence while our drones are bombing Pakistani villagers.

**Bobl** · April-09-09, 04:38 PM

Have any of these frantic right wing extremists on Fox turned their fury on the people who ruined the financial system? Have they criticized Wendy and Phil Gramm, for making sure that the fox [[unregulated financial institutions) was in charge of the henhouse [[401ks, mortgages)?
Seems they are too busy with sour grapes and name calling to even give the appearance of a news organization.

**MoparDan** · April-09-09, 05:33 PM

http://mediamatters.org/discuss/200904070009
Scroll down a bit & you'll find phone numbers/email addresses of advertisers. If you are a client or purchase from any of them, write or call to let them know your disgust. Pass the word along; there's strength in numbers. The best way to get their attention is hit them in the wallet.
I've tried watching Glenn Beck...how anyone could take this B-actor seriously is beyond me. Then again, I live in a red state with people who do.

Jon Stewart put it best: "You're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco! "
http://digg.com/d1oF3o

ccbatson · April-09-09, 09:34 PM

Look up the definitions of those words [[Socialism, Fascism, and Communism)...they all fit liberals like Obama and company.

**Bobl** · April-09-09, 09:52 PM

C: The definitions are not the same. You are welcome to your opinion, though.

The fact is, the financial system was ruined by so called free market capitalists, not communists, fascists, or socialists, and we will be paying for their ridiculous deregulation of the financial giants for a generation.
My opinion is that it is unfortunate that Obama is getting the blame instead of the Phil Gramms out there who brought on the crisis.

ccbatson · April-09-09, 09:56 PM

How so? Regulation is not the responsibility of participants in the free market system. However, that premise is flawed anyway as the only deregulation that mattered in this crash is/was deregulation of Freddie and Fannie.

**alleydad** · April-09-09, 09:57 PM

That was a great bit on Stewart. It does suck when you don't care for the presidential choice, but just like Bush, Obama is president and his ideas shouldn't be dismissed just because they are his. Take a good look, then decide.

ccbatson · April-09-09, 09:58 PM

Correct, don't dismiss them....fear them and prepare to suffer as a result of them.

**Big Dog** · April-10-09, 03:27 PM

I believe O' Really? is going to retire before the 2010 elections. He has been have ing Beck on his show very often lately. This is a lovefest they have. It's to give Beck more exposure at that time slot, IMHO.

**jams** · April-10-09, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Speramus Meliora

Well, considering that two of them are direct opposites of the other, they couldn't possibly fit anyone. Then you introduce liberalism which is a fourth definition that does fit the other three. Don't they offer Political Science 101 at Wayne State anymore?

Welcome tto the fluidity of definitions of The Official, but unpublished,Glossary of Batsonia

**MoparDan** · April-10-09, 08:18 PM

Stephen Colbert rips up Glenn then launches the 10.31 Project.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...-10-31-project

ccbatson · April-10-09, 10:14 PM

Socialism and fascism are not opposites. Hitler was a fascist [[clearly) and behind the National Socialist movement.

Check out Jonah Goldberg's book "Liberal Fascism"

**Bigb23** · April-10-09, 10:20 PM

Boy, the runs, just aren't the same anymore. - This message is hidden because ccbatson is on your ignore list.

ccbatson · April-10-09, 10:22 PM

Apparently not so well hidden, ay BigB...wink, wink.

**oldredfordette** · April-11-09, 07:45 AM

Now I know why CC is so frightened of organic gardens and produce.

Jonah Goldberg is one of the country's leading [[[[[[[[[s. Sweet sufferin' Jeeble. Thanks, I guess, for reminding me.

ccbatson · April-11-09, 03:08 PM

Easy...the living guy.

German national socialism was corporate socialism in the extreme...Goverment controlled the means of production [[under penalty of death for those that thought or acted otherwise).

It stinks [[for you guys) when history and the facts undermine liberal beliefs.

ccbatson · April-11-09, 03:22 PM

Study the concept [[history) before laughing.

**d.mcc** · April-11-09, 03:33 PM

CC...have YOU ever looked up the definitions of Facism? Considering Facism is a right-wing socio-political slant:

John Weiss, a professor of history at Wayne State University, sought to give a definition of fascism in his book, The Fascist Tradition: Radical Right-Wing Extremism in Modern Europe. He arrived at a list of ideas that he believed to be shared by the majority of the people commonly referred to as fascists:[22]

Organicist conceptions of community;
Philosophical idealism;
Idealization of "manly" [[usually peasant or village) virtues;
A resentment of mass democracy;
Elitist conceptions of political and social leadership;
Racism [[and usually, though not necessarily, anti-Semitism);
Militarism;
Imperialism.

ccbatson · April-12-09, 08:19 PM

Sorry Dr. Weiss...those fortune cookie generalizations do not suffice as a definition.

Read Jonah Goldberg's book folks.

**mauser** · April-13-09, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Look up the definitions of those words [[Socialism, Fascism, and Communism)...they all fit liberals like Obama and company.

all those words that do not at all mean the same thing but are all considered bad in american popular culture - those ALL describe obama ?

Exactly how much do you get paid for this gig dude - its time ! Tell us what they pay you.