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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    ^ What makes you think that?

    What part of "I'm fine with that" [post 6) makes you say that about me?

    I think he means you and Shawn Fain would prolly take turns kissing Chump’s Tush.

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    It was said, "all is fair in love and politics"
    By whom is not clear.

    Fun to watch you banter around, but I think we all want a golden ring.

    For family, fortune, and happiness, many flavors to have.

    cliff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    ^ What makes you think that?

    What part of "I'm fine with that" [post 6) makes you say that about me?
    Where was the phoney outrage from these freedom fighters when news surfaced that Hunter Biden was selling favors around the world?
    A crackhead son of a senator was sitting on the board of the third largest natural gas producer in UKRAINE. Nothing to see here, move along...

    Crackheads shitty art pieces going for 500k a pop while dad is serving as president. Nothing to see here...

    These people are mad that Trump is his own man, fuck the uniparty theatre. Everybody in DC hates Trump, and it's not because he's a dictator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbest View Post
    ... Hunter Biden...
    Slowly I turned https://youtu.be/jj4oHpgVZjM?t=33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbest View Post
    Where was the phoney outrage from these freedom fighters when news surfaced that Hunter Biden was selling favors around the world?
    A crackhead son of a senator was sitting on the board of the third largest natural gas producer in UKRAINE. Nothing to see here, move along...

    Crackheads shitty art pieces going for 500k a pop while dad is serving as president. Nothing to see here...

    .
    The crackhead and his corruption and the tentacles leading to the president were disgusting. That we certainly agree on.

    Where we diverge is the “Nothing to see here.” There you are making up your own narrative out of thin air. Hunter destroyed Biden’s reputation to the point that he was unelectable. Fact. His own party knew it, Biden came to know it and withdrew his candidacy for President. Fact. In no way was Biden going to remain president for another term because he was no longer on the ticket. Fact. The crackheads and Biden’s corruption was certainly a major problem to Biden. Fact. Your “nothing to see here…” is just a made up BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit View Post
    The crackhead and his corruption and the tentacles leading to the president were disgusting. That we certainly agree on.

    Where we diverge is the “Nothing to see here.” There you are making up your own narrative out of thin air. Hunter destroyed Biden’s reputation to the point that he was unelectable. Fact. His own party knew it, Biden came to know it and withdrew his candidacy for President. Fact. In no way was Biden going to remain president for another term because he was no longer on the ticket. Fact. The crackheads and Biden’s corruption was certainly a major problem to Biden. Fact. Your “nothing to see here…” is just a made up BS.


    There is the small matter of Bobby Kennedy Jr, Secretary of Health and Human Services. He may have overcome his heroin addiction, but his speech makes Sleepy Joe sound ebullient. His son is also going to gain from his financial arrangements in lawsuit referrals. Drain the swamp, lol.


    Conflicts of interest disclosure statement
    Kennedy disclosed to an HHS ethics official his arrangement with a law firm specializing in pharmaceutical drug injury cases, Wisner Baum, whereby Kennedy earns 10% of fees awarded in contingency cases that he refers to the firm. If confirmed as HHS director, Kennedy would retain the arrangement only in cases that do not directly affect the federal government. He listed his income from Wisner Baum for this arrangement as $856,559. Before assuming the position of director of HHS, he will have from the law firm the complete and final payments for concluded cases against the U.S. government.He added that will assign his son his interests in litigation against the maker of Gardasil, a vaccine given to prevent cervical cancer caused by human papillomavirus

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck View Post
    ... his heroin addiction...
    RFK must be turning in his grave.

  10. #85

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    RFK must be turning in his grave.

    Not his ex-wife…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Richardson_Kennedy

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck View Post
    There is the small matter of Bobby Kennedy Jr, Secretary of Health and Human Services. He may have overcome his heroin addiction, but his speech makes Sleepy Joe sound ebullient. His son is also going to gain from his financial arrangements in lawsuit referrals. Drain the swamp, lol.


    Conflicts of interest disclosure statement
    Kennedy disclosed to an HHS ethics official his arrangement with a law firm specializing in pharmaceutical drug injury cases, Wisner Baum, whereby Kennedy earns 10% of fees awarded in contingency cases that he refers to the firm. If confirmed as HHS director, Kennedy would retain the arrangement only in cases that do not directly affect the federal government. He listed his income from Wisner Baum for this arrangement as $856,559. Before assuming the position of director of HHS, he will have from the law firm the complete and final payments for concluded cases against the U.S. government.He added that will assign his son his interests in litigation against the maker of Gardasil, a vaccine given to prevent cervical cancer caused by human papillomavirus
    The current administration is looking to fire up this sweetheart deal all over again. Want to get your friends and family paid for real? Get on the Saudi payroll! No worries with sending the most dangerous tech known to man to a monarchy in the ME that is constantly at war with its neighbors and could be overthrown by the very terrorists that committed 911 at any time. The payday is Tremendously Great!

    The Saudis have only fucked us over repeatedly. Iraq, oil embargo, Yemen, 911, turning on the taps to break our domestic oil industry half a dozen times. Might as well get in bed with them with nuclear tech. Nothing could possibly go wrong as long as Jared Kushner makes 10s of Billions to spread around the family.

    So sweet, Valadimir wanted in on the action.

    The report, which is the second to be released on this topic and was based on a review of 60,000 documents, details how IP3 lobbied the Trump administration to relax their standards for any future nuclear agreement with Saudi Arabia. Typically, such an agreement would require the other country to agree to a “Gold Standard” that prevents the risk of nuclear proliferation, which the Saudis have already refused to comply with. IP3, which is assembled of companies wanting to build nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia, is unhappy with this “total roadblock” to their plans to strike it rich in the Persian Gulf—and they have been making their case to the upper echelons of the Trump team. According to the report, IP3 officials were granted such “unprecedented access” to Trumpworld that they considered the administration an “extended team member,” and officials met directly with “President [Donald] Trump, Jared Kushner, Gary Cohn, K.T. McFarland, and Cabinet Secretaries Rick Perry, Steven Mnuchin, Mike Pompeo, Rex Tillerson, James Mattis, and Wilbur Ross.” This access, the report explains, “yielded promises from high-level government officials to support IP3’s efforts with Saudi officials.”
    One particular figure who stands out in the House report is longtime Trump ally and former Trump inauguration chair Thomas Barrack, whom the report alleges was attempting to seek a position in the administration at the same time as he was “[[1) promoting the interests of U.S. corporations seeking to profit from the transfer of nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia; [[2) advocating on behalf of foreign interests seeking to obtain this U.S. nuclear technology; and [[3) taking steps for his own company, Colony NorthStar, to profit from the same proposals he was advancing with the Administration.” [[The New York Times reported separately Monday that federal prosecutors are looking into Barrack's foreign entanglements in the Gulf region and their connection to the Trump campaign.) Also implicated in the report is former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who served as an adviser to IP3. In 2016, the report alleges, Flynn told business partners about upcoming interactions with key officials in Russia and the Persian Gulf—including Vladimir Putin—and “offered to use these contacts to further IP3’s business interests.”

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...2MRYTl68JwQok9
    Last edited by ABetterDetroit; April-13-25 at 10:17 PM.

  12. #87

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    Laffs.

    I looked up that Thomas Barrack guy. He was also the chairman of Miramax, the company the Weinstein brothers founded. When Harvey was sentenced, the company was in big trouble, and Barrack did what he does, buys troubled assets cheaply. He made his fortune buying troubled mortgages in 2007… A regular stand up guy.

    The State Department staff has problems writing up a bio without making boo boos. Here is his bio related to the nomination for Ambassador to Türkiye in March 2025. The writer says that he is a recipient of an honorary doctorate in Juris Prudence. This doesn’t exist, it is called a Juris Doctorate. His Legion de Honor is spelled Legion of Honour or légion d’honneur in French. Finally, they couldn’t even spell French President Sarkozy’s name right: Sarkoszy.

    https://www.state.gov/barrack-jr-tho...iye-march-2025

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    Rivera Court photo in today's WSJ:
    How the U.S. Lost Its Place as the World’s Manufacturing Powerhouse - WSJ

    Informative article, though naturally it makes no mention of union busting, the murder of Walter Reuther, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    How the U.S. Lost Its Place as the World’s Manufacturing Powerhouse - WSJ

    Informative article, though naturally it makes no mention of union busting, the murder of Walter Reuther, etc.

    It also doesn't properly credit President Bill Clinton with causing most of it.

    His trade deal [China relations Act of 2000] allowed China to swallow up much of our manufacturing.

    Just one example being the loss of Michigan's Tool & Die industry. In the years after the trade deal Clinton enacted, south eastern Michigan alone lost 30,000+ tool & die jobs.

    Some were sizable businesses, while others were as small as a father and son team with a self-feeding lathe or whatever in their garage.

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    I distinctly remember that! Had family living in Livonia in the late eighties before black people lived there. I recall a fam member having a supply-chain business relationship with one of many Tool and Die shops along Schoolcraft in Livonia and along Stevenson Hwy, over and up thru Troy, MI.

    Most long gone now. Varied sized shops as you mention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    ...Just one example being the loss of Michigan's Tool & Die industry. In the years after the trade deal Clinton enacted, south eastern Michigan alone lost 30,000+ tool & die jobs.

    Some were sizable businesses, while others were as small as a father and son team with a self-feeding lathe or whatever in their garage.
    Last edited by Zacha341; April-15-25 at 10:07 AM.

  17. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    ... "allowed China to swallow up much of our manufacturing."
    Now we're getting somewhere. Clinton was a union-busting neoliberal, and a GOP southern democrat drag -- which is why traditional democrats despise him. There should be no confusion in that the sincerest protectionists were always industrial trade unionists.

    These are the democrats who voted against H.R. 4444:


    Bernard Sanders VT
    James Barcia MI
    David Bonior MI
    John Conyers MI
    John Dingell MI
    Dale Kildee MI
    Carolyn Kilpatrick MI
    Lynn Rivers MI
    Debbie Stabenow MI
    Bart Stupak MI
    Earl Hilliard AL
    Ed Pastor AZ
    Fortney Stark CA
    Joe Baca CA
    Howard Berman CA
    Gary Condit CA
    Sam Farr CA
    Bob Filner CA
    Tom Lantos CA
    Barbara Lee CA
    Juanita Millender-McDonald CA
    George Miller CA
    Grace Napolitano CA
    Nancy Pelosi CA
    Lucille Roybal-Allard CA
    Loretta Sanchez CA
    Brad Sherman CA
    Maxine Waters CA
    Lynn Woolsey CA
    Mark Udall CO
    Rosa DeLauro CT
    Sam Gejdenson CT
    John Larson CT
    James Maloney CT
    Corrine Brown FL
    Peter Deutsch FL
    Alcee Hastings FL
    Carrie Meek FL
    Robert Wexler FL
    Cynthia McKinney GA
    Neil Abercrombie HI
    Patsy Mink HI
    Janice Schakowsky IL
    Rod Blagojevich IL
    Jerry Costello IL
    Danny Davis IL
    Lane Evans IL
    Luis Gutiarrez IL
    Jesse Jackson IL
    William Lipinski IL
    David Phelps IL
    Bobby Rush IL
    Peter Visclosky IN
    William Delahunt MA
    Edward Markey MA
    James McGovern MA
    Michael Capuano MA
    Barney Frank MA
    John Moakley MA
    John Olver MA
    John Tierney MA
    Elijah Cummings MD
    Albert Wynn MD
    John Baldacci ME
    William Luther MN
    James Oberstar MN
    Collin Peterson MN
    Martin Sabo MN
    Bruce Vento MN
    William Clay MO
    Richard Gephardt MO
    Pat Danner MO
    Karen McCarthy MO
    Ronnie Shows MS
    Gene Taylor MS
    Bennie Thompson MS
    Melvin Watt NC
    Eva Clayton NC
    Mike McIntyre NC
    Robert Menendez NJ
    Robert Andrews NJ
    Rush Holt NJ
    Frank Pallone NJ
    Bill Pascrell NJ
    Donald Payne NJ
    Steven Rothman NJ
    Tom Udall NM
    Shelley Berkley NV
    Edolphus Towns NY
    Joseph Crowley NY
    Eliot Engel NY
    Michael Forbes NY
    Maurice Hinchey NY
    Carolyn McCarthy NY
    Michael McNulty NY
    Jerrold Nadler NY
    Major Owens NY
    Louise Slaughter NY
    Nydia Velazquez NY
    Sherrod Brown OH
    Tony Hall OH
    Stephanie Jones OH
    Marcy Kaptur OH
    Dennis Kucinich OH
    Ted Strickland OH
    James Traficant OH
    Peter DeFazio OR
    David Wu OR
    Robert Borski PA
    Robert Brady PA
    William Coyne PA
    Michael Doyle PA
    Chaka Fattah PA
    Joseph Hoeffel PA
    Tim Holden PA
    Paul Kanjorski PA
    Ron Klink PA
    Frank Mascara PA
    John Murtha PA
    Patrick Kennedy RI
    Robert Weygand RI
    James Clyburn SC
    John Spratt SC
    Barton Gordon TN
    Robert Clement TN
    Nicholas Lampson TX
    Gene Green TX
    Ciro Rodriguez TX
    Robert Scott VA
    Frederick Boucher VA
    Norman Sisisky VA
    David Obey WI
    Gerald Kleczka WI
    Tammy Baldwin WI
    Thomas Barrett WI
    Alan Mollohan WV
    Nick Rahall WV
    Robert Wise WV
    Last edited by Henry Whalley; April-15-25 at 01:36 PM.

  18. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    People rich enough [or foolish enough] to pay $3 - $7 for coffee can now pay a little more.

    I'm fine with that.

    In the meantime, I'll brew 2 large mugs worth of much better coffee at home, WITH the fresh organic creamer of my choice for $1.20
    Where's the like button? or a thumbs up? I agree completely. I often watch the same folks drinking the high dollar dessert drinks [[I refuse to call them coffee) turn around and complain about inflation, low wages, and the fact that they'll never be able to afford to retire

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    Thumb up here

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic01 View Post
    Where's the like button? or a thumbs up? I agree completely. I often watch the same folks drinking the high dollar dessert drinks [[I refuse to call them coffee) turn around and complain about inflation, low wages, and the fact that they'll never be able to afford to retire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    ...
    These are the democrats who voted against H.R. 4444:
    P.S. Spencer Abraham voted 'Yea', as did both Levins, but both Levins voted 'Nay' on H.R. 3450: NAFTA.

    P.P.S. The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his 1980 presidential campaign.
    Last edited by Henry Whalley; April-16-25 at 12:02 PM.

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