The Effects of the Trade War on Metro Detroit-Windsor

**canuck** · February-02-25, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit

Gotta admire Irony sometimes. It’s awful ironic that the party responsible for these tariffs often accuse any and all opposition of being ‘communist’ than want to run our economy with a heavy handed manipulation from the very top exactly like real communist do.

Right. There is a double irony at work when you calculate that the oligarchs present at Chump’s inaugural are towing the line-slash-calling the shots.

Amazon cleared 1700 workers in Quebec last week, right after the inauguration, because workers at a fulfilment centre had succeeded in founding a union. There may be up to 2000 more employees sacked in the coming while. Amazon will still deliver via transit specialists which may be a good thing if locals can profit from it. Needless to say, my lovely wife pulled the plug on her Amazon Prime membership.

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 03:42 PM

NAFTA signed by Clinton is the culprit.

According to a study by the Economic Policy Institute, between 1993 and 2002, NAFTA's trade deficits with Canada and Mexico led to the displacement of 879,280 U.S. jobs, with a significant portion being high-wage manufacturing jobs, including automotive. By 2010, the net displacement due to the trade deficit with Mexico alone was around 682,900 jobs, with 61% of these jobs [[approximately 415,000) being in manufacturing, including the auto industry.

**DetroiterOnTheWestCoast** · February-02-25, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos

NAFTA signed by Clinton is the culprit.

According to a study by the Economic Policy Institute, between 1993 and 2002, NAFTA's trade deficits with Canada and Mexico led to the displacement of 879,280 U.S. jobs, with a significant portion being high-wage manufacturing jobs, including automotive. By 2010, the net displacement due to the trade deficit with Mexico alone was around 682,900 jobs, with 61% of these jobs [[approximately 415,000) being in manufacturing, including the auto industry.

One might think that people who lie away at night terrified of “the illegals” would see the benefit of a growing Mexican economy.

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 03:49 PM

GM and Ford will have to relocate those jobs to the US, hopefully Michigan.

**Canadian Visitor** · February-02-25, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos

I’m speaking of all the automotive jobs that we’ve lost since NAFTA.

You didn't lose them to Canada.

Rather, after the initial Free Trade Agreement between Canada the U.S. in the 1980s, Canada saw massive hemorrhaging of manufacturing jobs to the U.S.

Automation also played an overlapping role at the same time. As did out migration of some manufacturing, particularly clothing to Asia from both the U.S. and Canada.

Canada has fewer auto assembly plants today than we did 20 years ago.

We've done well in the parts space due to the exchange rate, but that rate is largely of U.S. choosing by maintaining an artificially strong currency.

But many non-automotive or other factories left a long time ago. Canada has lost spice bottlers, farm equipment makers [[specifically to the U.S.), we also lost Locamotive manufacturing and much more.

If you really think the U.S. is losing mass jobs in manufacturing to Canada you're completely clueless.

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As to trade deficits, you do realize that's entirely from the U.S. buying Canadian energy and aluminum.

You don't have any material aluminum industry left. You refine the majority of Canada's oil [[get the profit and jobs that go with that) and you import Canadian electricity and Nat. Gas.

Meanwhile you export high value goods and services back.

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by 401don

Okay now I understand how Trump got elected. Geez. The U.S. pays the tariff, not Canada and Mexico. How can you possibly not know that? Prices went up worldwide because of covid and the supply chain disruption. No president can cause significant changes in inflation - unless of course they do it on purpose with tariffs or munipulating their currency. GM & Ford would be bankrupt long before they could bring manufacturing home. It's not the assembly plants. There's only a few left in Ontario. It's the parts manufacturing.

GM and Ford will have to relocate those jobs to the US, hopefully Michigan.

**canuck** · February-02-25, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos

I’m speaking of all the automotive jobs that we’ve lost since NAFTA.

You’ve also lost a lot of jobs to attrition/automation; and in Michigan and Ohio’s case, to "right to work" states. You needn’t put the blame on Canada or Mexico for coming up with that turn of phrase.

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Canadian Visitor

You didn't lose them to Canada.

Rather, after the initial Free Trade Agreement between Canada the U.S. in the 1980s, Canada saw massive hemorrhaging of manufacturing jobs to the U.S.

Automation also played an overlapping role at the same time. As did out migration of some manufacturing, particularly clothing to Asia from both the U.S. and Canada.

Canada has fewer auto assembly plants today than we did 20 years ago.

We've done well in the parts space due to the exchange rate, but that rate is largely of U.S. choosing by maintaining an artificially strong currency.

But many non-automotive or other factories left a long time ago. Canada has lost spice bottlers, farm equipment makers [[specifically to the U.S.), we also lost Locamotive manufacturing and much more.

If you really think the U.S. is losing mass jobs in manufacturing to Canada you're completely clueless.

****

As to trade deficits, you do realize that's entirely from the U.S. buying Canadian energy and aluminum.

You don't have any material aluminum industry left. You refine the majority of Canada's oil [[get the profit and jobs that go with that) and you import Canadian electricity and Nat. Gas.

Meanwhile you export high value goods and services back.

So did the jobs go to Mexico like our jobs did? NAFTA is a three county agreement.

**Canadian Visitor** · February-02-25, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos

So did the jobs go to Mexico like our jobs did? NAFTA is a three county agreement.

It began as a 2-country deal between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico was added later.

Most of Canada's initial job losses were to the U.S.

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Canadian Visitor

It began as a 2-country deal between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico was added later.

Most of Canada's initial job losses were to the U.S.

Here's an overview of the North American Free Trade Agreement [[NAFTA):

History and Purpose:

Enacted: January 1, 1994
Participants: United States, Canada, and Mexico
Objective: To eliminate barriers to trade and investment between the three countries, creating a trilateral trade bloc in North America. The agreement aimed to increase economic growth through free trade, which was expected to boost employment, raise living standards, and reduce consumer prices.

Positive: Some sectors saw job growth due to increased exports.
Negative: High-profile job losses in manufacturing, particularly in industries like automotive where companies moved production to Mexico for lower labor costs.

**Canadian Visitor** · February-02-25, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos

Here's an overview of the North American Free Trade Agreement [[NAFTA):

History and Purpose:

Enacted: January 1, 1994
Participants: United States, Canada, and Mexico
Objective: To eliminate barriers to trade and investment between the three countries, creating a trilateral trade bloc in North America. The agreement aimed to increase economic growth through free trade, which was expected to boost employment, raise living standards, and reduce consumer prices.

Positive: Some sectors saw job growth due to increased exports.
Negative: High-profile job losses in manufacturing, particularly in industries like automotive where companies moved production to Mexico for lower labor costs.

Right.

Your starting in the wrong place.

Here ya go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada...rade_Agreement

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast

One might think that people who lie away at night terrified of “the illegals” would see the benefit of a growing Mexican economy.

It doesn't keep me awake but I couldn't just cross into Mexico, get food stamps, healthcare, vote in their elections and expect the Mexican taxpayers to pay for it all.

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Canadian Visitor

Right.

Your starting in the wrong place.

Here ya go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada...rade_Agreement

READ THE FIRST FEW LINES

Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement

Not to be confused with North American Free Trade Agreement.

**401don** · February-02-25, 04:18 PM

I don't understand why Michigan politicians, Ford and Barra aren't all over the media talking about what this will do to the industry, unless they somehow know this is just some silly show by Trump and will be over in a few days.

**southen** · February-02-25, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos

It doesn't keep me awake but I couldn't just cross into Mexico, get food stamps, healthcare, vote in their elections and expect the Mexican taxpayers to pay for it all.

Oh illegals are voting in our elections now?

**canuck** · February-02-25, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos

READ THE FIRST FEW LINES

Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement

Not to be confused with North American Free Trade Agreement.

That’s what he was telling you, Mike. It started with a US Canada deal, then they followed up with a three way pact.

**401don** · February-02-25, 06:09 PM

I thought this Kristi Noem was another Dept. Secretary that looked like a cartoon character. Then I read what she said in this piece:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ina-rcna190332
"If prices go up it's because of other people's reactions to America's Laws."
I apologize to all cartoon characters.

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by southen

Oh illegals are voting in our elections now?

In states that don't require ID. 100%

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by canuck

That’s what he was telling you, Mike. It started with a US Canada deal, then they followed up with a three way pact.

NAFTA replaced the Canada - United States Free Trade Agreement. Mexico had nothing to do with that. So Mexico wasn't just added to an existing agreement. It was replaced by a new one.

**canuck** · February-02-25, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos

NAFTA replaced the Canada - United States Free Trade Agreement. Mexico had nothing to do with that. So Mexico wasn't just added to an existing agreement. It was replaced by a new one.

That’s what I wrote Michael Anthony.

**MichaelAnthonyVideos** · February-02-25, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by canuck

That’s what I wrote Michael Anthony.

It's not that serious.

Ontario's Response: Ontario Premier Doug Ford has directed the Liquor Control Board of Ontario [[LCBO) to remove all American liquor from its shelves starting Tuesday, February 4, 2025. This action is in response to U.S. President Donald Trump's announcement of tariffs on Canadian goods. The LCBO will stop all sales of U.S. alcohol products both in stores and online, and halt wholesale sales to restaurants, bars, and other retailers. This move affects nearly $1 billion worth of American wine, beer, spirits, and seltzers sold annually by the LCBO.

Ontario's Response: Ontario Premier Doug Ford has directed the Liquor Control Board of Ontario [[LCBO) to remove all American liquor from its shelves starting Tuesday, February 4, 2025. This action is in response to U.S. President Donald Trump's announcement of tariffs on Canadian goods. The LCBO, being the largest alcohol purchaser in the world, will stop all sales of U.S. alcohol products both in stores and online, and halt wholesale sales to restaurants, bars, and other retailers. This move affects nearly $1 billion worth of American wine, beer, spirits, and seltzers sold annually by the LCBO.

**Jimaz** · February-02-25, 10:38 PM

So how can U.S. citizens sympathetic to Canada help in this scenario?

— Jimaz, U.E.

**Canadian Visitor** · February-02-25, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

So how can U.S. citizens sympathetic to Canada help in this scenario?

— Jimaz, U.E.

1) Write phone your politicians and media to express your negative opinion of what's going on. Particularly those you think you can shift, or get to be active on the file.

2) Support Canadian made products, not so much at the expense of American ones, though maybe sometimes, definitely at the expense of anything made by someone closely tied to Trump.

On that latter point, you ought not to buy something you don't want or don't need; but if you need/want something....buy Canadian.

Wine/Booze is an easy choice, and by the way, if you find selection isn't what it should at at your local retailer, tell them you want more Canadian choices.

It won't shift every one, but it doesn't need to make a noticeable difference. Even a handful of retailers or distributors noticing a shift will result in people with money using it to say....'What's going on here' to people with influence.

**Jimaz** · February-02-25, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Canadian Visitor

1) Write phone your politicians and media to express your negative opinion of what's going on. Particularly those you think you can shift, or get to be active on the file.

2) Support Canadian made products, not so much at the expense of American ones, though maybe sometimes, definitely at the expense of anything made by someone closely tied to Trump.

On that latter point, you ought not to buy something you don't want or don't need; but if you need/want something....buy Canadian.

Wine/Booze is an easy choice, and buy the way, if you find selection isn't what it should at at your local retailer, tell them you want more Canadian choices.

It won't shift every one, but it doesn't need to make a noticeable difference. Even a handful of retailers or distributors noticing a shift will result in people with money using it to say....'What's going on here' to people with influence.

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