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    Default The Effects of the Trade War on Metro Detroit-Windsor

    MODERATOR NOTE: This thread has been renamed to redirect its discussion to an important issue that will deeply affect our international metropolis of Detroit-Windsor--the recent imposition of tariffs on Canada and Mexico by the US./

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    Fans booing the U.S. anthem at the game in Ottawa last night and I don't blame them. Meanwhile the Freep's headline today is the war between your two hotdog places rather than the economic war launched against your ally which will have a huge effect on the auto industry. Still can't fathom how people voted for this guy.

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    Imposing tariffs is raising taxes. Does anyone disagree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    Imposing tariffs is raising taxes. Does anyone disagree?
    Apparently all the Trump voters who mindlessly chanted and waved placards at his rallies when he said he would impose tariffs and lower prices at the same time. Of course, now he says prices will go up but people won't mind. He also said it's to bring jobs home. Newsflash - 80% of all manufacturing jobs lost in the last 10 yrs. has been due to automation.

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    It is raising prices...

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    Make America Grate Again. What else can we expect from a guy who minted a cryptocoin in his name the day before his inauguration. The Repugnant Party wanted a winner, you know: the founder of Chump University. If you graduated from there, keep that certificate above your fireplace, it’s a valuable memento, like pet rocks and sea monkeys. He also managed to build a casino that failed, imagine that, and then put the rest of the puzzle together.


    I wish I could say he did this singlehandedly, but really, the guy was voted in, and now all the malaise that existed vis-à-vis the US in terms of overreach and bullying is turning into outright disgust if not mildish hatred. His talk of taking over Greenland and Canada is supposed to comfort Americans in the belief they are invincible, and enlightened, and entitled to what their dear leader wants. A bunch of criminals are at the helm.

    We won’t be sitting idly by, because this is a war, and Chump hasn’t tried to couch it in other words. All the countries of Europe and close allies in the West, are looking at US foreign policy in disgust, fear, and growing hatred of the country which unfortunately has become the proxy for it’s administration.

    Chump has proposed an eight month salary compensation to three million federal employees for early departures. He wants to gut the system that is essential to the workings of government and the livelihood of Americans be they govt employees or no. He is of course terrorizing these workers into submission which is a favoured fascist technique. He has promised to fund Elon’s martian trip via NASA to the tune of 500 billion. The good folk in Akron and Detroit and Cincy should find great solace in that…

    Mind you, fewer than 17 or so Intelligence tagencies might be a good idea, and does anyone think the self regulation of aircraft assembly at Boeing is a good idea, or the trading and banking industry. How has that worked out for your country in the past?
    Last edited by canuck; February-02-25 at 09:59 AM.

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    Snippets from today's Free Press:

    Without question, the possibility of an extended trade war with America's largest trading partners could and would result in higher prices on lumber, dairy, heating oil, natural gas and petroleum from Canada and on fruits like avocados and melons, home appliances and beer from Mexico, not to mention all the shoes, clothes, batteries and more that come from China into the U.S. market.

    As this trade war proceeds, I would like to hear of anyone experiencing price changes, or other effects, in Metro Detroit-Windsor.

    Chuck Carlson, CEO of Horizon Investment Services in Indiana, told Reuters last month that he would be “very surprised if [[the tariffs) are in place two weeks from now” given the harm they could do to U.S. financial markets and Trump's standing. He expects Canada and Mexico to give the U.S. something that allows the president to claim victory.

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    The Cato Institute, a research group in Washington, D.C., that promotes free markets, said about half the cars and light trucks imported into the U.S. from Mexico last year were made by Detroit automakers; S& P Global Mobility, which researches the auto industry, said of the 5.3 million light-duty vehicles made in Canada and Mexico, 7 out of 10 are exported into the U.S.

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    Michigan imported about $4.1 billion worth of oil and gas from Canada in 2023 [[though Trump said he would bring down the tariff on energy, including oil, gas and electricity from that country to 10%). It imported more than $1 billion in iron and steel from that country. Imports of metalworking machinery, chemicals, aluminum and hardware totaled billions in all.

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    Former Michigan Gov. Jim Blanchard, a former U.S. ambassador to Canada, said Saturday that Trump's tariffs could well be “the most destructive thing any president has done to Canada since the War of 1812.”

    “That's how it is viewed in Canada,” he said. “But the whole world is watching how we treat Canada.” If it goes badly and the U.S. enters a destructive trade war with an ally as close as the Canadians, “no one in the world is going to trust us again,” he said.

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    Tariffs will bring in revenue to our country and start bringing our jobs back to the USA, where they belong. Canada and Mexico paying these fees will prevent less money printing and inflation. We know that in 2018 when we had tariffs on them, our gas prices, grocery prices and pretty much everything, were much lower. When Biden took the tariffs off, prices and inflation went through the roof.

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    Yes. When Biden took of the tariffs, prices, including groceries, went through the rood and the big three started layoffs again and built more cars in Mexico and Canada.
    Even if prices do go up a little, more people will be working when the Big Three bring more auto production back to Michigan, so we can afford to pay a little higher. If workers are on unemployment, grocery prices at record high, then whats the point?
    And the mainstream media are owned by the globalist who don't care about any of us.

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    ^ What unemployment? Unemployment is at near record lows. Making up a problem that doesn’t exist to push a solution is illogical.

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    Economist: Michigan to feel pain of tariffs earlier, and worse, than many other states

    ...“The pain of this is going to be rather broad,” but the first to feel the effects will be in states like Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio, said Hicks, who directs Ball State's Center for Business and Economic Research.

    “After the 2018 tariffs [imposed by Trump], it took six to nine months for the Midwest to slip into a manufacturing recession," Hicks said. "So by middle of 2019, Indiana, Michigan, most of the Midwest was already bleeding manufacturing jobs."...

    Hicks said Mexico and Canada won’t need to implement across-the-board tariffs to engage in a trade war with the U.S.; they can just impose limited tariffs against products produced by vulnerable sectors, like soybeans and corn, that they can get at a reasonable price from other countries like South America.

    “So that they're going to really carefully target those to impose pain on, you know, those states that are manufacturing and agricultural intensive like Michigan and much of the Midwest,” he said....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos View Post
    Tariffs will bring in revenue to our country and start bringing our jobs back to the USA, where they belong. Canada and Mexico paying these fees will prevent less money printing and inflation. We know that in 2018 when we had tariffs on them, our gas prices, grocery prices and pretty much everything, were much lower. When Biden took the tariffs off, prices and inflation went through the roof.
    Okay now I understand how Trump got elected. Geez. The U.S. pays the tariff, not Canada and Mexico. How can you possibly not know that? Prices went up worldwide because of covid and the supply chain disruption. No president can cause significant changes in inflation - unless of course they do it on purpose with tariffs or munipulating their currency. GM & Ford would be bankrupt long before they could bring manufacturing home. It's not the assembly plants. There's only a few left in Ontario. It's the parts manufacturing.
    Last edited by 401don; February-02-25 at 11:48 AM.

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    I just listened to two Ontario auto parts manufacturers who said the industry will completely shut down within two weeks because Canadian suppliers will have to stop shipping all parts across the border. They will have no choice. GM & Ford should just shut it down now and lay off everyone. They can afford it just like a strike for a few weeks. Remember parts that cross the border 3-4 times are subject to the tariff every time they cross. Meanwhile Japan and Korea are free to bring their products in.
    Last edited by 401don; February-02-25 at 11:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos View Post
    Tariffs will bring in revenue to our country and start bringing our jobs back to the USA, where they belong. Canada and Mexico paying these fees will prevent less money printing and inflation. We know that in 2018 when we had tariffs on them, our gas prices, grocery prices and pretty much everything, were much lower. When Biden took the tariffs off, prices and inflation went through the roof.
    I see you drank the Kool-Aid

    Crack open an Econ 101 text book. The tariffs are paid by the importer. Canada and Mexico will pay $0.00 to us for tariffs. I’ll make it simple for you. Trump would have to pay 10% of the value of his Chinese bibles if he still imports them. China would not pay anything. You might ask him why he didn’t have them printed here, btw.

    And if you believe that businesses will eat these costs…
    Last edited by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast; February-02-25 at 11:59 AM.

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    We are the ones who will end up paying the higher price; Canada won't have a raise in price, the importers will and that cost will pass to us. Trump is doing this as retaliation for "illegals" and drugs coming from foreign countries. Man, those Canadian illegals are really something.
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos View Post
    Tariffs will bring in revenue to our country and start bringing our jobs back to the USA, where they belong. Canada and Mexico paying these fees will prevent less money printing and inflation. We know that in 2018 when we had tariffs on them, our gas prices, grocery prices and pretty much everything, were much lower. When Biden took the tariffs off, prices and inflation went through the roof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcole View Post
    We are the ones who will end up paying the higher price; Canada and Mexico will pay the fee to the GOVERNMENT and we will pay for it. Canada and Mexico will have to raise their price to us to be able to continue supplying it to us.
    Once again: Canada and Mexico will NOT pay anything. The IMPORTER does.

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    Let me start by saying that the Tariffs likely [[one hopes) do not have a long term future. I expect to see court challenges as early as tomorrow, as the pretense for invoking a security law [[hence the made up nonsense about Fentanyl from Canada) is very weak indeed and leaves in question the President's authority to breach a trade treaty he actually signed.

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    That said, in terms of effects.

    Clearly this will be very disruptive to the auto sector, as has been noted. I'm told most Michigan operations will have to idle within 2-3 weeks due to parts shortages, should this be enacted and sustained.

    In Ontario, the most visible effect off the bat is that the LCBO has been ordered to remove all American beer, wine, and liquor from its shelves, and stop all future purchases, this will also see it removed from the LCBO's wholesale business to supermarkets and restaurants. Other provincial liquor authorities in Quebec, BC and Nova Scotia has announced similar moves and the impact to some U.S. businesses will be material.

    In Windsor, prices for many goods will get more expensive fairly quickly, everything from Kenmore appliances to IPads.

    Detroit will likely see impacts at the retail level for some grocery items first...

    Avacados from Mexico and then the price of Guac..... Detroit gets a lot of greenhouse produce from Ontario this time of year, notably tomatoes and cucumbers, which will presumably rise by 25% in price as soon as next week.

    There will be some U.S. fuel price rises as well, particularly for Nat. Gas home heating. I would also expect to see timber prices, and construction/reno prices rise.

    Canadians will see the impact in lettuce prices and salad packs from California/Arizona as well as on OJ in a very short period.

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    The real danger here, beyond the immediate and potentially painful, is escalation.

    Canada is considering export controls on Canadian Energy, as well as Aluminum [[of which Canada supplies the majority for the U.S.) and Potash [[agricultural fertilizer input).

    In turn the U.S. could also limit Canadian access to a variety of items.

    Its a very slippery slope.

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    Yeah, this guy really cares about us.
    WASHINGTON [[Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Sunday the sweeping tariffs that he has imposed on Mexico, Canada and China may cause "some pain" for Americans, as Wall Street and the largest U.S. trading partners signaled hope that the trade war would not last long.

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    I deleted that and corrected myself; read above.
    Quote Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast View Post
    Once again: Canada and Mexico will NOT pay anything. The IMPORTER does.

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    Gotta admire Irony sometimes. It’s awful ironic that the party responsible for these tariffs often accuse any and all opposition of being ‘communist’ than want to run our economy with a heavy handed manipulation from the very top exactly like real communist do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos View Post
    Yes. When Biden took of the tariffs, prices, including groceries, went through the rood and the big three started layoffs again and built more cars in Mexico and Canada.
    Even if prices do go up a little, more people will be working when the Big Three bring more auto production back to Michigan, so we can afford to pay a little higher. If workers are on unemployment, grocery prices at record high, then whats the point?
    And the mainstream media are owned by the globalist who don't care about any of us.
    We lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs under Trump and it started well before Covid. Do you just make it up as you go, slap the term "globalist" on there and call it a day? Not one economist thinks this is good for jobs or the price of goods but you just keep regurgitating the same moronic talking points.

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    I'd like to say that I'm not a big Trudeau supporter, nor do I like the next prime minister, conservative Pierre Poilievre. Like most Americans, it's a case of choosing the one you dislike the least. That said, I though Trudeau made an elegant speech last night, not only articulating the economic craziness of this, but the long-standing relationship between thle two countries, which Trump is bent on destroying. Yes, I know he said he loves Canadians, just as much as Blacks, Hispanics and Arabs apparently.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnvy...Y2ggZmViIDE%3D

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    How Companies Are Dodging Trump Tariffs On Canada, Mexico And China
    U.S. companies are frontloading cargo bound for the U.S. due to the uncertainty regarding tariffs. Walmart, Columbia Sportswear and Lenovo have been actively stockpiling goods, according to U.S. Customs data. But not all shippers can afford to. Footwear company Deer Stags said its $50 shoes will go up to $75 if tariffs are increased. Higher tariffs could also have a big impact on Mexico trade. Mexico was the largest exporter of goods to the U.S. in 2024, ahead of China, accounting for $466 billion in imports. CNBC’s Lori Ann Larocco travels to Fort Worth, Texas to visit an ITS Logistics warehouse piled with goods that have been stockpiled there, and explores what the tariffs mean for U.S. consumer prices.

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    I’m speaking of all the automotive jobs that we’ve lost since NAFTA.

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    According to a study by the Economic Policy Institute, between 1993 and 2002, NAFTA's trade deficits with Canada and Mexico led to the displacement of 879,280 U.S. jobs, with a significant portion being high-wage manufacturing jobs, including automotive. By 2010, the net displacement due to the trade deficit with Mexico alone was around 682,900 jobs, with 61% of these jobs [[approximately 415,000) being in manufacturing, including the auto industry.
    Last edited by MichaelAnthonyVideos; February-02-25 at 03:40 PM. Reason: color

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