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    ^ I Would rather have kept the RenCen than seen Hudson's get built. As you said Gilbert original promise for tax breaks were to bring NEW job to the Hudson's block.

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    Actually if they tear anything down... I would like to give the shorter 500 & 600 tower owner one of the 4 taller office towers, and tear 500/600 down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    ^ I Would rather have kept the RenCen than seen Hudson's get built. As you said Gilbert original promise for tax breaks were to bring NEW job to the Hudson's block.

    A bait and switch by a billionaire with his hand out? I’m shocked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast View Post
    A bait and switch by a billionaire with his hand out? I’m shocked!
    Do you really think that was the case with Gilbert? If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt it's him. I'm certain if he had forecast the dramatic downturn in office demand he never would have built the Hudson Site. After several delays due to rising costs and redesigns we are lucky he didn't just throw up a 2 story building there. He's also the only one stepping forward to salvage part of the Ren Cen. Would you hand back the tax credits if nobody asked you to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Actually if they tear anything down... I would like to give the shorter 500 & 600 tower owner one of the 4 taller office towers, and tear 500/600 down.
    That would be an interesting idea. I don’t know who would miss either of those buildings and it wouldn’t impact the skyline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Actually if they tear anything down... I would like to give the shorter 500 & 600 tower owner one of the 4 taller office towers, and tear 500/600 down.
    The 600 tower is heading to auction in March. It is only 11% occupied. Starting bid 2.75 Million.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...n/77877700007/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 401don View Post
    Do you really think that was the case with Gilbert? If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt it's him. I'm certain if he had forecast the dramatic downturn in office demand he never would have built the Hudson Site. After several delays due to rising costs and redesigns we are lucky he didn't just throw up a 2 story building there. He's also the only one stepping forward to salvage part of the Ren Cen. Would you hand back the tax credits if nobody asked you to?
    Why didn't he have the forecast. The dramatic downturn in office demand in downtown Detroit started a year or two before covid when many companies started to adapt remote assignments to their employees to save on costs, space, and reduce travel time for their employees so that they could just wake up and hit the on switch to their computers to sign in. Gilbert could had put a halt on the development of the Hudson tower being that construction had start during covid. Offices in the RenCen started becoming vacant around 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Why didn't he have the forecast. The dramatic downturn in office demand in downtown Detroit started a year or two before covid when many companies started to adapt remote assignments to their employees to save on costs, space, and reduce travel time for their employees so that they could just wake up and hit the on switch to their computers to sign in. Gilbert could had put a halt on the development of the Hudson tower being that construction had start during covid. Offices in the RenCen started becoming vacant around 2018.
    There was nothing dramatic before Covid. Prior to Covid it was all steam ahead on building up downtown Detroit as a place to live, work and play and fulfilling the potential that downtown possesses. Little demand or a soft demand prior to Covid was not some "dramatic" downturn like it was when the office market collapsed post-covid. You're either misremembering or making it up to serve your point.

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    Not dictate but when the government subsides them with our tax money, how is it helping the taxpayers to have workers "work" from home? Maybe they're not even working the whole time and perhaps out working another job at the same time. This cost us money since we pay the tax to subsidize them.

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    [QUOTE=401don;646890]
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos View Post
    Once again, yes it's a pretty group of buildings, so what's your solution to profitably leasing them?
    There have been some ideas offered in this thread. There is a housing shortage. Students need housing. Wayne State and/or the U of M could expand a department or school into these buildings, house some students and some faculty. Trump could relocate much of the US Department of Labor in Detroit. That too would pair well with Wayne State.

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    [QUOTE=oladub;647069]
    Quote Originally Posted by 401don View Post

    There have been some ideas offered in this thread. There is a housing shortage. Students need housing. Wayne State and/or the U of M could expand a department or school into these buildings, house some students and some faculty. Trump could relocate much of the US Department of Labor in Detroit. That too would pair well with Wayne State.
    With the hundreds of thousands of people Trump is getting rid of you think he's going to be looking for office space? Yeah, another great idea.

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    [QUOTE=401don;647120]
    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post

    With the hundreds of thousands of people Trump is getting rid of you think he's going to be looking for office space? Yeah, another great idea.

    My bet is the hundreds of thousands up to three million federal employees are being cowed into submission by the Chump administration. It remains to be seen whether the dear leader's tactics are as successless as those used in the Mexico-Canada-China trade.

    The US is really reeling from China's growing influence and outright domination of world trade. They are selling their electric cars now, [[BYD) in Mexico and Germany. Germany had to accept since they build and sell so much within China. Mexico is part of the supply chain for Chinese cars and will soon be building them outright.

    If American carmakers pull out of Canada, Canadians will supply Chinese manufacturers, build Chinese cars, and buy cheaper more reliable cars, as they are proving to be. Not only is BYD supplying advanced batteries to Tesla in China but also beating them in sales, and even Musk admits that they will conquer the market worldwide. The Chinese emphasis on quality, and their highly trained, well educated engineers are hard at the task of supplying the world with innovative products. The Chinese have a cultural heritage thousands of years old, and were beaten down by western colonial powers up until the early 20th century. The West peddled opium on the Chinese to make them submit to abominable work and life conditions. It is ironic that the illegal Fentanyl drug war is not so much directed at China, but rather Canada and Mexico. The double irony is that Fentanyl and Oxycontin sold legally for many years and damaged many lives from within the United States, without much fuss from the administrations, until Purdue Pharma was finally brought to its knees.

    For centuries, England, France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, et al were looking for ways to get to China in an alternative to the Silk route to get the High tech and luxury products to Europe.

    Heck, there is a suburb of Montreal; Lachine, that is named China, because De La Salle, who explored the Mississippi hadn't found a route to it, and the people of that town called it Lachine, as a joke, to spite him...

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    ditto.

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    I thought I heard this idea from someone earlier. Convince city government to move into the two towers, tear down the Coleman A. Young Municipal Center and redevelop the site into a residential tower. Another thought I had, before hearing that Blue Cross Blue Shield lost billions of dollars over the past few years, is to convince BC/BS to leave its headquarters and other offices downtown and move into one of the towers and sell its headquarters site and that awful data center building to be redeveloped into residential. Just my two cents.
    Last edited by royce; February-06-25 at 05:00 PM.

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