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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Does someone with a High School diploma and a "sense of administering" even exist? Hypothetical, probably... but what is the likelihood of that?
    Someone with a U of M degree not in political arena has a higher chance of success, because many elective courses would probably make a better fit for governing [[Logic, History, Public Speaking, etc.).
    That's a pretty elitist question. Abraham Lincoln and George Washington didn't go to college, and their sense of administering was just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnsie View Post
    That's a pretty elitist question. Abraham Lincoln and George Washington didn't go to college, and their sense of administering was just fine.
    That’s what higher education teaches or conditions the mind so they know no different.

    Old school class separation.

    Henry Ford could hardly read or write and had no education past the of 16 before he went to work at a machine shop,he administered a company that one could argue that surpassed many small countries.

    The Unabomber went to Harvard at age 16.

    The introduction of AI is making collage educated a dinosaur of the past,a 6 year old with an iPhone can answer any question or situation by simply asking Siri,which has to equal to a masters about now.

    Thats the problem,the educational system tries to remove the ability for one to think for themselves,the higher up one goes the less of an ability they have.
    Last edited by Richard; December-09-24 at 11:25 PM.

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    I saw on the news today, that Jocelyn Benson has threw her hat in the ring for governor. She didn't have many nice things to say about Duggan either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    That’s what higher education teaches or conditions the mind so they know no different.

    Old school class separation.

    Henry Ford could hardly read or write and had no education past the of 16 before he went to work at a machine shop,he administered a company that one could argue that surpassed many small countries.

    The Unabomber went to Harvard at age 16.

    The introduction of AI is making collage educated a dinosaur of the past,a 6 year old with an iPhone can answer any question or situation by simply asking Siri,which has to equal to a masters about now.

    Thats the problem,the educational system tries to remove the ability for one to think for themselves,the higher up one goes the less of an ability they have.

    Yes, that. And AI will have the additional benefit of spelling "college" properly, despite making a "collage" of tidbits taken from the breadth of the internet when answering a prompt.

    What’s the use of reading anyways if machines are way smarter than Einstein, who did go to university?

    Might as well tell your kids: "go fetch for Jim Bezos the last few years before he replaces with robots". Be thankful, lol.

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    If the Democrat party is worrid about a split vote, they could always decline to field a candidate and throw their support behind Duggan. They always seem to expect independant candidates to move out of the way of the party when it should be the other way around as well.

    The parties are both interested in enriching their big donors first and formost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnsie View Post
    That's a pretty elitist question. Abraham Lincoln and George Washington didn't go to college, and their sense of administering was just fine.
    This reminds me of my favorite Detroit trivia question I like to ask.

    What do Henry Ford, Albert Kahn, and Berry Gordy all have in common?

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    They didn't finish high school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowell View Post
    This reminds me of my favorite Detroit trivia question I like to ask.

    What do Henry Ford, Albert Kahn, and Berry Gordy all have in common?

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    They didn't finish high school.
    All three ran successful businesses. The last went over his head by trying to go into the movie making business. It doesn't take a master degree to run Detroit but know how, vision, and able to balance the need for revitalization and placating the grass roots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowell View Post
    This reminds me of my favorite Detroit trivia question I like to ask.

    What do Henry Ford, Albert Kahn, and Berry Gordy all have in common?

    ...

    They didn't finish high school.
    These three all rose to prominence 60+ years ago. To hold them up as examples of how successful people who don't finish High School can be is assinine, I'm sorry. The world is quite different today than it was in the first half of the 20th century.

    Many Masters Degree holders are not too bright, I'll give you that. Post-grads today leave school with an expensive piece of paper, a lot of indoctrination, and an acute inability to think critically in many cases.

    We need someone with the right mix of private secor experience and desire to do do public good.

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    ^ Exactly! Lincoln, Washington and Kahn were "self-taught". They had enough acumen to go out and read the right books and teach themselves, although Washington had tutors when he was younger, and Kahn learned drafting and design while working at Mason & Rice, and sculpture from sculptor Julius Mechers.

    Getting a certificated degree is more important in order to get ahead today, but back in the day it was not where you learned something... it was THAT YOU LEARNED SOMETHING.

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    Dang I liked my college background/ engagement so as to use words like:

    de-centering, normative, restorative justice, anachronism, intersectionality, verisimilitude, equivocal, epistemological, engagement, paradigm, concomitant, salient, proponent, polemic, equity, unconscious bias, existential, heuristic, and 'in terms of'.

    Um, and some of the new ditties used among some politicians such as 'justice-challenged' to describe someone breaking laws!
    Last edited by Zacha341; December-12-24 at 11:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-slice View Post
    ...We need someone with the right mix of private secor experience and desire to do do public good.
    Let's try to keep the "desire to do do public good" in the forefront of qualifications. Maybe looking for history of doing that? rather than a history of seeking personal gain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic01 View Post
    Let's try to keep the "desire to do do public good" in the forefront of qualifications. Maybe looking for history of doing that? rather than a history of seeking personal gain?
    From afar, Mary Sheffield seems to meet that requirement. Any ideas regarding her management skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowell View Post
    This reminds me of my favorite Detroit trivia question I like to ask.

    What do Henry Ford, Albert Kahn, and Berry Gordy all have in common?

    ...

    They didn't finish high school.
    I never knew that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic01 View Post
    Let's try to keep the "desire to do do public good" in the forefront of qualifications. Maybe looking for history of doing that? rather than a history of seeking personal gain?
    Odd how we have to state that explicitly nowadays. There was a time, not too long ago, when we could just take that for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic01 View Post
    Let's try to keep the "desire to do do public good" in the forefront of qualifications. Maybe looking for history of doing that? rather than a history of seeking personal gain?
    Those with the desire to do public good and no interest in personal gain should be running a charity, not a city. The left coast is full of cities run by those interetsed in doing public good with no sense of what it takes to be successful and maintain a self-sustaining organization. Look how well they're doing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-slice View Post
    Those with the desire to do public good and no interest in personal gain should be running a charity, not a city. The left coast is full of cities run by those interetsed in doing public good with no sense of what it takes to be successful and maintain a self-sustaining organization. Look how well they're doing...
    That has more to do with you make money off of the poor and not the rich,California spends $42,000 per each individual homeless,the homeless stays homeless but the ones running the programs have jobs and make money.

    It is policy’s that matter and not really who is wearing the suit or skirt.

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    ^ Facts 100%. Good exemplar indeed [some west coast areas].

    Couple that result with the other millions scarfed away for themselves!

    And yet more incoming policies the uni-party elite enshrine that they don't plan to live with.

    Though that's starting to change as the creep of crime, violence and squalor encroaches even the uber-rich gated communities. Just a 'sniff' away.
    Last edited by Zacha341; December-12-24 at 09:10 PM.

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    Nothing excites a school of predatory piranha better than uttering the forbidden phrase "public good."

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    I wonder who will Mike Duggan support or endorse to be the next Mayor of Detroit. That would be a game changer

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    I wonder who will Mike Duggan support or endorse to be the next Mayor of Detroit. That would be a game changer
    I very much doubt he endorses anyone. It certainly wouldn't benefit him to endorse a democratic when he's running as an independent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 401don View Post
    I very much doubt he endorses anyone. It certainly wouldn't benefit him to endorse a democratic when he's running as an independent.
    He could go both ways being an independent. Coleman Young had given his support to Sharon McPhail when he announced that he wasn't seeking another term

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    Quote Originally Posted by 401don View Post
    I very much doubt he endorses anyone. It certainly wouldn't benefit him to endorse a democratic when he's running as an independent.
    I don't know if he will endorse anyone, but it's unlikely it would affect his race for governor one way or the other. Any plausible candidate for mayor in Detroit, which is a non-partisan race, is going to be a Democrat or positionally equivalent to a Democrat. I suppose if he endorsed a complete loon it might be an issue, but that seems unlikely.

    He may have a preference, either because he thinks someone would be better for the city, or because he would prefer working or not working with some candidates-who-could-be-mayor more than others, and that might lead him to make an endorsement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    Nothing excites a school of predatory piranha better than uttering the forbidden phrase "public good."
    I'm afraid the historical cycles of Detroit are destined to closely resemble the Myth of Sisyphus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    I'm afraid the historical cycles of Detroit are destined to closely resemble the Myth of Sisyphus.
    Great analogy! I used to say the same thing all the years I worked for D-Dot! People complain-get new buses, drivers, mechanics-service gets better-people happy-buses get old-drivers, mechanics leave-service bad again-people complain! Cycle repeats over & over again!!!

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    [QUOTE=carlscomputers;646283]Great analogy! I used to say the same thing all the years I worked for D-Dot! People complain-get new buses, drivers, mechanics-service gets better-people happy-buses get old-drivers, mechanics leave-service bad again-people complain! Cycle repeats over & over again!!![/QUOT
    Thank you for serving as bus driver. I know it could be a dangerous occupation at times. Detroit in the past 50 years had always had an inferior transportation system. New busses never fixed the problem. In 1978 Detroit purchased new busses when Conrad Mallet was director of DDOT but the system still ran shoddy. The only glimmer of light that shown on the transit system is when Duggan appointed Dan Dirks from SMART as director of DDOT. The system saw some major improvements until Dirks either stepped down or was replaced and the next director who was clueless on how to run a transit system ran DDOT into the ground again

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