Eastern Market Shooting Killed Two Men....

**Zacha341** · September-19-24, 10:51 AM

Eastern Market shooting killed 2 - ruled self-defense; no charges filed

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/eas...-charges-filed

Prosecutor clears shooter in Eastern Market tailgate double fatality

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...uble-fatality/

**stasu1213** · September-19-24, 11:01 AM

Guess there's no arguments here. Condolences goes out to the families of the deceased

**Cincinnati_Kid** · September-19-24, 11:52 AM

Very unfortunate. I hear they're shutting down the tailgating for the next home game vs Seattle on MNF Sept 30.

**MikeM** · September-19-24, 12:06 PM

Wow, good shot. Two for one, and right through the head. The shooter has spent a lot of time at the range.

**mkhopper** · September-19-24, 12:43 PM

Either way, two people are dead because the mentality of "I have a problem, I have a gun, I will use it to fix my problem", continues in full force.

I'd like to say that it would have been better for the shooter to just let it go and let the group fighting fight it out and not get involved, but it sounds like someone was probably going to end up shot anyway.

We can argue all day about whether or not guns are the problem, but I know one thing for sure. If no one involved had one, everyone probably would have gone home that evening. Maybe with a few scrapes and bruises, but still better than dying.

**JBMcB** · September-19-24, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by mkhopper

We can argue all day about whether or not guns are the problem, but I know one thing for sure. If no one involved had one, everyone probably would have gone home that evening. Maybe with a few scrapes and bruises, but still better than dying.

Going by what is happening in England, someone would most likely have been stabbed. If someone wants to *really* hurt someone else, they are going to find a way to do it. The solution is to figure out why people think that stabbing and/or shooting someone else is a way to solve a problem.

**MikeM** · September-19-24, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by mkhopper

Either way, two people are dead because the mentality of "I have a problem, I have a gun, I will use it to fix my problem", continues in full force.

I'd like to say that it would have been better for the shooter to just let it go and let the group fighting fight it out and not get involved, but it sounds like someone was probably going to end up shot anyway.

We can argue all day about whether or not guns are the problem, but I know one thing for sure. If no one involved had one, everyone probably would have gone home that evening. Maybe with a few scrapes and bruises, but still better than dying.

How could you let someone walk towards you with a gun pointed at your face and not draw and shoot to protect yourself?

**Honky Tonk** · September-19-24, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by MikeM

Wow, good shot. Two for one, and right through the head. The shooter has spent a lot of time at the range.

Yes, he felt at home on the range.

**Danny** · September-19-24, 09:25 PM

The shooter that killed 2 people is free to go because he acted in self defense. I don't see that in my POV.

**JBMcB** · September-19-24, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danny

The shooter that killed 2 people is free to go because he acted in self defense. I don't see that in my POV.

Did you read the article? He shot the one guy because that guy had drawn a pistol on the shooter first. The second guy was an accident. The shooter only shot once.

If the first guy hadn't pulled his pistol out first, he'd still be walking around. If the shooter hadn't pulled his pistol, he probably wouldn't be.

**stasu1213** · September-20-24, 07:45 AM

I wondered how much gun class training did the shooter have? Sure he acted in self defense but I would like to know if the shooter had aimed center mass or at the head of the other gunman. I always thought when shooting at a person especially in a crowd you aim the gun downward at the abdomen in case if the body go through the person shot it would go toward the ground and not the person standing next to or behind the target. Gun training is important to those whom want to own one.

**Johnnny5** · September-20-24, 10:53 AM

According to news reports from a few days ago, the bystander that was shot was not 100% a "bystander". The news clip I saw of his family and witnesses said he had apparently made an effort to break up the argument, which while admirable always comes with its own risks.

Self defense shootings generally happen in seconds, and when firing in self defense you really can never be 100% assured that that bullet won't end up hitting someone or something else. Even if the shooter had a "clear" background, others can still be hit by a round if it separates or ricochets in or beyond the target.

**mkhopper** · September-20-24, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by MikeM

How could you let someone walk towards you with a gun pointed at your face and not draw and shoot to protect yourself?

I would hope it never came to that, but my point was, if no one had a gun, no one would have been in danger of being shot.

Yes, as another user posted, then it might have been knives, or broken bottle, or even just a good sized rock. If someone wants to badly enough to hurt someone else, they will.
But having a gun just ramps up the opportunity to kill far too easily.

As I said, what could have been just a scuffle ended up with two people dead, because guns were involved.

**Richard** · September-20-24, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by stasu1213

I wondered how much gun class training did the shooter have? Sure he acted in self defense but I would like to know if the shooter had aimed center mass or at the head of the other gunman. I always thought when shooting at a person especially in a crowd you aim the gun downward at the abdomen in case if the body go through the person shot it would go toward the ground and not the person standing next to or behind the target. Gun training is important to those whom want to own one.

probably at close range,head shot stops them,shoot them in the abdomen and they still can shoot back.

In this case the round passed through the threat and then hit the other guy that was trying to break it up.

They probably figured anyway you look at it the guy that was trying to break it up was going to end up deceased because clearly the guys fighting were armed and not afraid to use it,he had a 50/50 chance of survival when the other guy fired because the shooter was distracted away.

But one way or another,he was not making it out of there,sometimes when you try and do the right thing and intervene it can come with bad consequences.

The part we do not know is if the bad guy had not been stopped would he have shot others around him?

**softailrider** · September-20-24, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Yes, he felt at home on the range.

Would there have been extra points given if the shot was right between the eyes?

**Richard** · September-21-24, 01:40 AM

There was a guy that stole a trailer then pulled a knife on the police,he was shot 16 times by two deputies,and survived.

An attempted hit on a mob guy,he was shot 4 times in the back of the head with a 22 point blank and stood up and beat the crap out of the guy that did it,he survived.

22 is usually more dangerous because it bounces around,it’s about stopping power though,a shot to the head with a 9 mil or 40 cal is going to be effective,a body shot runs the risk of trough and trough and the adrenaline rush gives them enough time to shoot back,which is not the best situation.

That’s the irony of gun control in some countries,you cannot have a hand gun but you can have a shotgun,you can survive a handgun shot,but you are not surviving a shotgun blast.

**Honky Tonk** · September-21-24, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by softailrider

Would there have been extra points given if the shot was right between the eyes?

I didn't know that we had a rating system for killing gun toting a-ho's at tail gating sporting events. Ask yourself what would you have done if he were coming for you? I think the whole incident is a sad commentary on what used to be a fun pre-game event. What now? Strip searches to enter the event? Abstinence? We're probably better off just staying home and watching the game on the tube. Did you know you have to go through a metal detector to enter the DIA? Smh...

**Henry Whalley** · September-21-24, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

I think the whole incident is a sad commentary on what used to be a fun pre-game event...

Agreed, but what part of American culture isn't a sad commentary?

P.S. I didn't know that about the DIA, but I'm more pleased than surprised.

**Richard** · September-22-24, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Henry Whalley

Agreed, but what part of American culture isn't a sad commentary?

P.S. I didn't know that about the DIA, but I'm more pleased than surprised.

You can always move some place you are more comfortable,I hear Cuba,Venezuela,N Korea are wonderful places to live and their culture might be more appeasing.

There is really no American culture,we are a melting pot which gives us an advantage of experiencing every culture there is without leaving.

**CassTechGrad** · September-23-24, 10:15 AM

So lets point to Scandinavia or Japan again as an example, but that just exposes the fallacy of this so-called “diversity” propaganda. They support a single culture where everyone shares similar beliefs. That’s the model that works.

**Henry Whalley** · September-23-24, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by CassTechGrad

...the fallacy of this so-called “diversity” propaganda.

Is there also "non-diversity" propaganda?

**Kraktovious** · September-23-24, 06:01 PM

More people with guns that should not have them.

**401don** · September-23-24, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

There is really no American culture,we are a melting pot which gives us an advantage of experiencing every culture there is without leaving.

Actually a melting pot is the opposite. All the cultures melt into one culture. Canada is considered a mosaic, which allows each culture to retain its identity and still contribute to the nation as a whole.

**stasu1213** · September-23-24, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

I didn't know that we had a rating system for killing gun toting a-ho's at tail gating sporting events. Ask yourself what would you have done if he were coming for you? I think the whole incident is a sad commentary on what used to be a fun pre-game event. What now? Strip searches to enter the event? Abstinence? We're probably better off just staying home and watching the game on the tube. Did you know you have to go through a metal detector to enter the DIA? Smh...

Was the deceased really coming after the bystander shoot or was the deceased coming after the person the he was in the altercation with standing near the bystander shooter?

**Honky Tonk** · September-24-24, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by stasu1213

Was the deceased really coming after the bystander shoot or was the deceased coming after the person the he was in the altercation with standing near the bystander shooter?

You tell me. You seem to have Insider information on what happened. I'm going by the media report and the Court of Law ruling. Ì wasn't there.