Stellantis is laying off as many as 2,450

[Richard]

Well all of the hoopla over the union win against the big 3,seems like that was short lived.

DETROIT [[Reuters) - Chrysler-parent Stellantis is laying off as many as 2,450 factory workers from its Warren Truck assembly plant outside of Detroit as the automaker ends production of the Ram 1500 Classic truck.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/s...171900884.html

[Danny]

After Shawn Fain's union deal with Stellantis R.I.C.H. Corps. Stellantis put a cussing finger on the unions.

So much for the Pentastar!

[Zacha341]

This is not shocking. As I've posted dealerships are stacked with trucks!

With the average price of 70K+ in this economy [despite what we're told] coupled with inflation and the weakening dollar many can't afford new trucks!

23, 24 year models are gathering dust out on the dealer lots.

The bottom line is approaching: low sales/ high inventory = LAYOFFS!

[CassTechGrad]

Where can I get one of these...???

[Richard]

Here for $80,000

https://classiccars.com/listings/vie...innesota-55374

That truck is cool,gotta love how they managed to incorporate the fins of the day in.

Factory they were 10-15 mpg - no different then todays trucks ,doubt it with that one with a Hemi but I bet it scoots.

Dodge went from that to some of the most ugly but dependable work trucks with the slant six in the 70s and 80s.

Things like that you can park in your living room like a piece of art .

[Henry Whalley]

Where can I get one of these...???

Cuba ???

[stasu1213]

For 15 years Detroit kept letting Stellantis gobble up land surrou ding its Eastside plant and allowed Stellantis to close off streets. What a waste. Let's get rid of council by district

[Cincinnati_Kid]

This is not shocking. As I've posted dealerships are stacked with trucks!

With the average price of 70K+ in this economy [despite what we're told] coupled with inflation and the weakening dollar many can't afford new trucks!

23, 24 year models are gathering dust out on the dealer lots.

The bottom line is approaching: low sales/ high inventory = LAYOFFS!

You nailed it. I would love a new or used pickup. But I refuse to pay these payments reaching $800.00 per month or more. Used trucks that have over 100,000 miles on them are going for $30 to $40 K. The auto market is as bad as the housing market that's also way overpriced. When will it end?

[JBMcB]

This is not shocking. As I've posted dealerships are stacked with trucks!

It's not an inventory issue. They aren't making the RAM 1500 any more. Unless a new program is going into that plant, and it might, those layoffs will be permanent. If an electric program is going in there, then there won't be as many people going back, as electric vehicles require fewer people to assemble.

[Richard]

There are other articles referring to low worker attendance rates and poor quality,which may also help make that decision.

[Gistok]

For 15 years Detroit kept letting Stellantis gobble up land surrou ding its Eastside plant and allowed Stellantis to close off streets. What a waste. Let's get rid of council by district

What does closing a Warren plant have to do with east side Detroit and eliminating council by district??

[Cincinnati_Kid]

U.A.W. is code speak for "U Ain't Workin"

[Warrenite84]

I've been a Chrysler employee at another facility for 30+ years. I've worked there when it was Chrysler Corporation, Daimlerchrysler, Cerebus, Fiat, and Stellantis. Of these, Stellantis became the worst to work for in record time. At least Chrysler and Daimler provided parts to repair machinery. Fiat wanted lots of improvement suggestions without a modest thank you or even a gift certificate to a restaurant. We now scrounge and pick over mothballed machinery to keep things running. Even good bosses are run out of the company because their management style is not heavy handed on piddly things when workers do a good job overall.

Don't be fooled into thinking the greatest weight of blame comes from the union workers. There are many hardworking union and salaried employees who try to provide good quality parts for the assembly plants. You could say they give us no straw and they give us no clay but want world-class quality bricks.

This Carlos Taveres coming in to fix a laggard plant here or there is a farce. They starve us of parts, maintenance time to fix things, buy cheap shoddy parts, or run machinery way past its service life with no backup parts. Most of the on the floor employees do their best to provide high quality parts. The blame goes to the top.

Here's a sad but likely future: Parts divisions will be sold, Chrysler and Dodge may go away, and eventually RAM and Jeep sold. It has been in the works since Fiat took over and separated Dodge from RAM. You can blame all of our foreign owners AND shoddy manufacturing policy at the national level for this.

[Richard]

^ good input and insite.

The one thing I would like to highlight

“Even good bosses are run out of the company because their management style is not heavy handed on piddly things when workers do a good job overall.”

Attention to detail is the key and the basis of the most common issues.

I had a Fiat X-19 and a 124,they were junk and made the same vintage British cars look reliable.

England no longer has any English brand motor cars,they all sold out.

But as a country we have a habit of restricting any business to death which may in return be forcing Fiats hand.

European cars get 50-60 mpg all day long ,commercial and private use.

So the technology is there with all of the emissions standards and even stricter then in the U.S. so where is the disconnect?

In the past I did a little research on the auto manufactureing through out history.

The most common tidbit was - They are good jobs if you can get them,but they are not a reliable job because they are economy based and subject to the ebbs and tides as far as layoffs.

Historically between layoffs and strikes in the city,I am kinda surprised they can even build cars.

But there is a big difference between European and Asian work ethics.

There is a world of difference between a grey market Mercedes versus one built in the U.S.,in build quality,performance and reliability.

Honestly from the mid 70s on up,as a county,we build shoddy cars in comparison.

I have never heard anybody say do not buy a European car that was built on a Monday or Friday but it is common knowledge here.

The shoddy parts thing,is every thing we buy anymore not just cars,I would not blame that on Fiat I blame that on the American consumer,we do not care of our neighbor dues not have a job,cities fall to ruin,as long as it does not impact us directly in our eyes and we can save $1 dollar nothing else matters.

I comment about the unions,but at the end of the day,union or not those 2500 workers are my fellow Americans and it sucks to see them lose their job and even worse a majority of the rest of the population could care less.

I find it hard to blame Fiat for moving the Ram production to Mexico at the cost of American jobs they are only responding to the American consumers.

[Zacha341]

Yikes. Sounds a bit like some of the shannigans we hope are NOT going on at Boeing! Who will replace these 'good bosses'.

Suppose you can't use that word boss now. Too triggering.

Looks like a race-to-the-bottom and we're heading their faster as US culture and industrial priorities continue to shift.

We now scrounge and pick over mothballed machinery to keep things running. Even good bosses are run out of the company because their management style is not heavy handed on piddly things when workers do a good job overall...

[Henry Whalley]

Yikes... a race-to-the-bottom

FYI the race is over -- we won. The Netherlands builds infrastructure. We have vending machines for ammunition. And possibly the world's biggest bong.

[JBMcB]

FYI the race is over -- we won. The Netherlands builds infrastructure. We have vending machines for ammunition.

The Netherlands is smaller than Vermont. I'm sure they got their 5G rollout done in a year as well. It's easy to do stuff when you are tiny.

[Gistok]

The Netherlands is smaller than Vermont. I'm sure they got their 5G rollout done in a year as well. It's easy to do stuff when you are tiny.

Well in this instance size is not important... tiny Netherlands has 18 million people!

[Henry Whalley]

... tiny Netherlands has 18 million people!

I agree with 13606Cedargrove that Netherlands is not a model that we could ever hope to emulate given our values. Sadly, the U.S. was a squandered opportunity.

[Gistok]

I agree with 13606Cedargrove that Netherlands is not a model that we could ever hope to emulate given our values. Sadly, the U.S. was a squandered opportunity.

Where did 13606Cedargrove post on this thread? I can't find a post??

[Richard]

I agree with 13606Cedargrove that Netherlands is not a model that we could ever hope to emulate given our values. Sadly, the U.S. was a squandered opportunity.

I would not call it squandered opportunity,it’s evolution,it started when they made the wheel out of stone.

The difference is we gradually evolved through the ages verses now it was more like rip the bandage off.

They used to feed technology out slowly,now it evolves by the month,I think that is one of the biggest issues with automobiles,to much to fast and bringing it out without proper testing as a rush to get it to market.

There has to be a leveling off somewhere and let it all catch up,because where do you go from here outside of levitating transportation or Jetsons style,which they are already working on.

But manufacturing was our bread and butter,now we just consume and it comes at a high cost.

[Richard]

Where did 13606Cedargrove post on this thread? I can't find a post??

Its in the Fain thread

apples to apples,it’s started with flooding in Florida then evolved into the Netherlands which they have been working on since 55 BC and flooding when it rains in Florida is really no different then snow in Detroit when it gets cold,that’s our seasons wet from rain or wet from sweat and humidity.

Us humans find a way to adapt to Mother Nature,not so much for the Dinosaurs. You figure they would have snagged a wholly mammoth fur coat to keep warm but I guess not.

[Henry Whalley]

Where did 13606Cedargrove post on this thread? I can't find a post??

Last post before this thread was killed:
https://www.detroityes.com/mb/showth...507#post644507

[Henry Whalley]

...been working on since 55 BC...

Netherlanders have adapted their environment rather than adapting to it.
Likewise, if it didn't have a 'can't do' attitude, Florida could take measures to keep its butt above sea level. Alligators will grow fat eating your grandchildren. Aren't you whistling past the graveyard?

It's not my problem, but I have friends living there.

P.S. We get little snow compared to past winters. I miss it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/python-ch...023207954.html

[Richard]

Lots of Fla is a swamp,when you build on a swamp it’s going to flood,always has,just more people building on swamps which brings more attention to flooding.

Going on 40 years am I have never had a house that flooded,it’s no different then in Detroit,they filled in mother nature’s drainage systems and wonder why it floods.

So no matter where you move,there is no perfect scenario and it’s all about trade offs.

Which brings us back to those 2500 workers,are they going to remain there or are they going to seek different pastures,it’s not only the loss of those jobs,it’s everything else that comes afterwards.

It kinda kills the ability to say not my problem,it effects us all if not directly.