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[Zacha341]

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[jcole]

Bye, Tudor....Maybe she can go back to making B movies

[Henry Whalley]

Bye, Tudor....Maybe she can go back to making B movies

Orange Julius is a drag on GOP candidates. I can't wait till Satan drags him down to hell.

[Canadian Visitor]

I would like to take a moment to congratulate Michiganders on an election that appears to offer many positive outcomes.

The [[state) constitutional amendment to protect reproductive rights has passed;

Also of note, Oakland County has seemingly endorsed regional transit and a millage in support there of....

The national results remain in flux a bit longer, but with any luck Congress won't be controlled by election deniers in the next session.

[K-slice]

The looming question, with Democrats back in charge of all 3 branches of Gov for the first time in 40 years, will they focus on things that will legitimately help the state and Detroit compete against other states/cities nationally? Meaning transit, education, environmental protection, healthcare, while also staying away from the toxic culture war issues pushed by the woke twitter mob?

One can only hope.

[oladub]

Minnesota's incumbent Attorney General Kieth Ellison who was born in Detroit and has a B.A. from Wayne State is presently .8% ahead of his opponent in his reelection bid.

More on Kieth Ellison - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison

Drama- Voting in Madison Wi yesterday on election day, my wife and I were surprised to see the fellow ahead of us hand in a stack of ballots. Noticing our expressed surprise, we were told that they were "absentee ballots". However, as far as I know that is a violation of State law so I reported it although there has been no follow up. Madison voted 3-1 for Democrats. I don't think that qualifies me as an "election denier" as a handful of ballots wouldn't swing the election of Mandela Barnes [[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndalclf1Dik ) to the US Senate. I was however surprised at the casualness of the transaction in broad daylight but do not know if it was an isolated incident.

[Danny]

Go Big Gretch 4 more years.

[Rocket]

The looming question, with Democrats back in charge of all 3 branches of Gov for the first time in 40 years, will they focus on things that will legitimately help the state and Detroit compete against other states/cities nationally? Meaning transit, education, environmental protection, healthcare, while also staying away from the toxic culture war issues pushed by the woke twitter mob?

One can only hope.

Most of the things you mention HURT Michigan's ability to compete, not help it.

We already have plenty of education funding. The Detroit school system for instance has one of the highest funding levels of any school district in the nation, while having the single lowest scores. So more money won't help, and Democrats are notorious for their support of unions.

Environmental protection means huge taxes, high energy prices, and a difficult business climate. [The president's policies mean that natural gas for heating your home or business has already gone up from 60 cents per CCF to 93 cents, and it's expected to go much higher, perhaps 1.20 or more).

And more healthcare laws means a more expensive business climate.

[Canadian Visitor]

Most of the things you mention HURT Michigan's ability to compete, not help it.

We already have plenty of education funding. The Detroit school system for instance has one of the highest funding levels of any school district in the nation, while having the single lowest scores. So more money won't help, and Democrats are notorious for their support of unions.

Environmental protection means huge taxes, high energy prices, and a difficult business climate. [The president's policies mean that natural gas for heating your home or business has already gone up from 60 cents per CCF to 93 cents, and it's expected to go much higher, perhaps 1.20 or more).

And more healthcare laws means a more expensive business climate.

What you choose to ignore is that California spends more on its schools, has tougher environmental regulations and more robust healthcare coverage, along with more employer mandates and higher minimum wages, all while having a very robust economy, and a budget surplus.

Closer to home, you ignore that Ontario has had years of growth far more robust that Michigan or Ohio in recent years, yet, has much higher gas prices, higher taxes, tougher environmental regulation and more robust healthcare.

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Perhaps, it turns out, business does well where there are highly educated workers available to employ; and those workers choose to go where quality of life is good, even if that's more expensive.

[oladub]

Does Michigan's passage of Proposition 3 allow the abortion of full term babies?

Different topic - "Democrats are set to take control of Michigan’s Senate seats for the first time in four decades, winning a “trifecta” of power over both chambers in the state legislature and the governor’s mansion in Tuesday’s midterms".

That means there is no excuse for Michigan not setting up a 10th. Amendment friendly single payer health care plan like those in Canada. No longer are Michiganders dependent on the Biden, the Democratic House and Democratic Senate/+Harris to have an efficient single payer plan.

[Rocket]

What you choose to ignore is that California spends more on its schools, has tougher environmental regulations and more robust healthcare coverage, along with more employer mandates and higher minimum wages, all while having a very robust economy, and a budget surplus.

And you forgot to mention that despite glorious weather all year round, businesses are fleeing California, even when it costs them billions to do so.

[Canadian Visitor]

And you forgot to mention that despite glorious weather all year round, businesses are fleeing California, even when it costs them billions to do so.

Perhaps you could cite evidence in support of that outlandish statement?

California's GDP growth was 3rd highest in the U.S. last year at 8%

By contrast, Ohio was #40 at 3.2%

It seems clear that business is doing much better in Cali than in Ohio.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewd...h=1e9cbb145a72

Unemployment is low through almost the entire U.S. Cali is at 3.9% which is pretty much full employment.

Total non-farm employment also shows healthy growth in upper 1/4 of U.S. States [[by percentage)

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/statewi...oty_change.htm

[K-slice]

Most of the things you mention HURT Michigan's ability to compete, not help it.

We already have plenty of education funding. The Detroit school system for instance has one of the highest funding levels of any school district in the nation, while having the single lowest scores. So more money won't help, and Democrats are notorious for their support of unions.

Environmental protection means huge taxes, high energy prices, and a difficult business climate. [The president's policies mean that natural gas for heating your home or business has already gone up from 60 cents per CCF to 93 cents, and it's expected to go much higher, perhaps 1.20 or more).

And more healthcare laws means a more expensive business climate.

You seem to be stuck in a Robber Baron mindset where "business" is based around exploiting workers and natural resources, and the ideal climate is one of unfettered capitalism. Well, that's not the case anymore and hasn't been for some time.

I'd expect nothing less from someone who thinks city income tax is 4% though.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

And you forgot to mention that despite glorious weather all year round, businesses are fleeing California, even when it costs them billions to do so.

Here in California we’re about to move from the 5th to the 4th largest economy in the world [[if we were our own nation….and I wish we were). Not exactly hurting here.

The results in Michigan, with both chambers flipping, show what can happen with fair districts. Of course, fair districts are impossible where Republicans draw them.

[jcole]

Who do you think actually CHOOSES to abort a full term "baby"? Nobody chooses to do so just because at 9 months they decide "Nah, I changed my mind; I'm going to get rid of this thing I've carried for 9 months, bought clothes for, design and furnished a nursery and chosen a name for". The reasons for late term abortion almost always comes down to some sort of health reason and the suggestion of a medical professional. Some are premature rupture of membranes and infection, preeclampsia, placental abruption, and placenta accreta[[deep attachment to the the uterine wall which can cause the mother to bleed out). Other things are profound brain damage to the child, missing organs in the child that would cause death very shortly after birth. There are others. This is never a light decision or a decision any woman would make after carrying a child to term or nearly to term. It's all fear mongering and shaming

Does Michigan's passage of Proposition 3 allow the abortion of full term babies?

[Gistok]

The Michigan Senate has not been Democratic since 1983 [remember the senate leader... John Engler]. That is surprising.

[Danny]

Yay Michigan

So much for the red wave. The Democrats are in the house.

I also feel really for Detroiters that they don't have an own district representative. Now its split in two.

[Rocket]

Perhaps you could cite evidence in support of that outlandish statement?

Well, California is loosing major businesses at a rate double what has ever been seen before, and triple the rate of 2018. Also, last year for the first time in history the actual population decreased. Enough that they lost a Congressional seat.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammil...h=2e0b52df2327

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article...e-17553168.php

Unemployment is low through almost the entire U.S. Cali is at 3.9% which is pretty much full employment.

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/statewi...oty_change.htm

If you use California's numbers.

Here's something to note though, California considers anyone that worked a single hour in the previous 7 DAY period as "employed".
https://calmatters.org/california-di...ly-unemployed/

Some 25% of the workforce there is what they call "Functionally Unemployed". A true unemployment number might be closer to 25%.

Yes, California is BIG. Both physically and population. But that's because of the weather and an ocean, not the management. And with massive population comes massive problems if it's managed poorly. The homeless crisis, the water crisis, the electric crisis, the crime crisis, etc are taking their toll.

Why anyone would want to duplicate their artificial disasters is beyond my imagination. Especially in a place that doesn't have the weather and ocean like a San Diego. If half of those issues come to Detroit, we're wrecked.

[Zacha341]

Beautiful state, but two younger cousins purposely left 2019. Young women set to start their lives changed their minds per how bad things are now in some cities at the social and moral level, etc--as the economy worsens.

Heck even actor Mark Wahlberg stepped off!

Mark Wahlberg left California for Nevada to give his kids 'a better life'

Well, California is loosing major businesses at a rate double what has ever been seen before, and triple the rate of 2018. Also, last year for the first time in history the actual population decreased.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammil...h=2e0b52df2327

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article...e-17553168.php...

[gnome]

Not quite sure what this thread is about, but thought I’d add that I was at Huntington Place since Sunday, pre-processing and then counting Detroit’s absentee Ballots.

not nearly as exciting as the Republican Riot of 2020.

[Canadian Visitor]

Well, California is loosing major businesses at a rate double what has ever been seen before, and triple the rate of 2018. Also, last year for the first time in history the actual population decreased. Enough that they lost a Congressional seat.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2021/08/27/businesses-are-fleeing-california-along-with-its-residents-and-president-biden-should-pay-attention/?sh=2e0b52df2327

There's a problem w/the above, well, a few actually.

1) 'more than ever' as a statement. the working paper....only goes back to 2018. That's a 3.5 year sample period. Not exactly a robust window of comparison.

2) The 'study' in question, more accurately a working paper is from an institution with an extreme anti-tax, anti-gov't bias....

3) The working paper doesn't reference all sorts of important data [[or at least not in that article).

a) How many companies relocated TO California during the same period?

b) How much tax revenue did California actually lose w/the these relocations?

c) How many actual jobs moved? [[most of Apple's Staff in Cupertino are still exactly where they were)

Similarly, Oracle and HP didn't actually relocate their operations out of Cali, they sought a lower-tax jurisdiction for some portion of their global earnings.

When examining the impact on corporate tax revenue for the State, I find none. Corporate tax revenue continues to rise, see the link below:

https://lao.ca.gov/Blog/Media/Image/2043

If you use California's numbers.

Here's something to note though, California considers anyone that worked a single hour in the previous 7 DAY period as "employed".
https://calmatters.org/california-di...ly-unemployed/

Some 25% of the workforce there is what they call "Functionally Unemployed". A true unemployment number might be closer to 25%.

Perhaps you should read more closely. That definition of employment does NOT come from California.

The Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics defines a person as employed if that person works at least 1 hour during its 7-day survey period.

The 25% number comes from LISEP.

Link:

https://www.lisep.org/tru

They have produced a similar adjustment for the entire United States.

Their current headline is 3.5% unemployment is really 22.3% nationally.

So nothing unique to California there at all.

[Zacha341]

Hola G! Grand to hear from yah. I'm a former election worker -- glad to be done. Held varied positions, including the first drop-off station matching the vote tally to the that venerable flash drive after the precincts [few wanted position requiring strong computer skills - hoisting laptops all evening beyond 1:00 AM often] ensuring everything you received at Huntington was in order.

Long night indeed - matching content of flash to other doc. etc. Longer for the poor souls bringing the transfer cases/ paperwork having worked their local precincts since 6:30 AM. Left that extra income gig in the 2020 election. Not worth it at what was the peak of a very pathogenic Covid strain.

Not quite sure what this thread is about, but thought I’d add that I was at Huntington Place since Sunday, pre-processing and then counting Detroit’s absentee Ballots.

not nearly as exciting as the Republican Riot of 2020.

[Richard]

What you choose to ignore is that California spends more on its schools, has tougher environmental regulations and more robust healthcare coverage, along with more employer mandates and higher minimum wages, all while having a very robust economy, and a budget surplus.

Closer to home, you ignore that Ontario has had years of growth far more robust that Michigan or Ohio in recent years, yet, has much higher gas prices, higher taxes, tougher environmental regulation and more robust healthcare.

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Perhaps, it turns out, business does well where there are highly educated workers available to employ; and those workers choose to go where quality of life is good, even if that's more expensive.

Have you ever owned a business? They go where the taxes are lowest,where there is the least amount of red tape and less labor laws,if that was not the case all of the manufacturers would not be setting up shop in the south.

Yes California has $100 billion surplus,but they also have cities with 60,000 homeless,62% without healthcare and the medium to lower wage earners cannot even afford a house.

California’s highest GDP driver,is real estate,they may be the 3rd largest economy,but it is a socialist economy,what is driving it is the people and businesses at the top at the expense of the medium and lower classes who are sending their money up the food chain.

In that case GDP does not equate a higher standard of living for its citizens.

It surpasses Germany,but yet Germany has free healthcare,free trade schools,free universities etc.

Californias oil and gas industry also makes up a major part of their GDP,which they are eliminating,that’s billions of dollars every year in product and salaries.

You say they spend a lot on schools ? How come a middle school in Compton is more dangerous and has a higher failure rate then Detroit ?

1983 to 2022 Michigan gained 1 million residents but the average medium salary has dropped by $50,000 per year.

Cuba has a high GDP but yet 70% of their population lives in poverty,GDP does not mean anything because without a quality of life for the medium to low wage earners it’s not sustainable.

I could have been a multi millionaire along time ago if I did not have to pay wages.

If Ontario was all that then why the hell are they moving to Florida enmass and creating sprawl ?

Of course you are going to see what you see,when you push out the medium and low wage earners and replace them with high wage earners it is easy to Jack up rates.

Ontario lost 37,000 residents in one quarter alone,123,000 in less then 6 months.

Most elementary schools in Ontario do not have hot lunch programs or cafeteria facilities. For this reason, lunch programs are not our primary focus at this time but we do provide grant funds to support a small number of lunch programs.

Cannot even feed the kids or at least give them a place to sit and eat a mustard sandwich but we got these big shiny buildings for the rich,without the mafia,corruption and drug money Ontario would still be a blip on the radar,so you can say ,look at what we did.

You cannot compare any American cities to Canadian,outside of Miami because the billions that were pumped into them was not based on a level playing field.

[Zacha341]

SE Michigan pushed that were density is higher. So much for the purple swing state. We're now BLUE. We'll see how that bows.

Yay Michigan

So much for the red wave. The Democrats are in the house.

I also feel really for Detroiters that they don't have an own district representative. Now its split in two.

[Richard]

Part of Detroit is included in the same district as Livonia,but Detroit aso has Talib as a representative,she has done well so far,got the potholes fix at least.