US Border Agents May Have a Copy of Your Text Messages

[Lowell]

Another annoyance of living on the border and enduring another layer of police authority. I'm sure it all for our protection however. [rolls eyes] Canadians and other nationalities are likely all copied.

If you’ve crossed a US border in recent years, there’s a chance all your text messages, contacts, call records, and more are now stored in a database built by Customs and Border Protection—even if you’re a US citizen. Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, revealed this week that CBP copies data from as many as 10,000 devices per year. Agents search these phones, tablets, and computers without warrants. And the content taken off the devices is stored in a central database accessible to 2,700 Department of Homeland Security personnel, according to information CBP commissioner Chris Magnus provided to Wyden. CBP defended the practice as being “in accordance with statutory and regulatory authorities,” while Wyden condemned it as an “egregious violation” of citizens’ constitutional rights.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...-database-dhs/

[Richard]

A majority of the country had no issues when the feds obtained cell phone tracking data from everybody in Washington DC on Jan 6,it did not matter who you were and the cell phone companies willfully gave up the information under the guise of national security.

Anybody doing nefarious things while crossing the border is going to use a burner phone,so the data being collected is on people just going about their daily lives.

In Border cities such as Detroit,the local law enforcement can track but the feds can scan as far as their jurisdiction reaches,which covers the whole city.

China has a data base on 80% of all Americans,information received from hacking government agencies and funding DNA collection businesses and ancestry search sites,if one is convicted of a crime their DNA is collected and that database is also hacked.

Most view it as - Meh I am not doing anything wrong why should I be worried,maybe not now but that information follows you for your entire life,when cannot predict what is going to happen 10 years from now.

Now they want a device installed on cars so you cannot drive drunk,that’s the thing,you are already a suspect and measures are being put in place based on the off chance that you may break the law in the future.

That’s the goal,compile a data base on everybody and use that to predict future actions that you may or may not take.

Insurance company says,your cell phone tracking shows you take a short cut to work that goes through a section of town that has a high crime rate,that increases your risk of an accident,so we have to charge you a higher rate.

The information that is collected on is has a higher value then we do as individuals,it no longer matters if you are doing nefarious things anymore,it is just in case you may do something in the future or based on the data the odds are you really do not have to do anything to raise flags on the radar you are already a suspect.

No more innocent before proven guilty,you are already a suspect until your actions and movements prove that you have not done anything.

Its not the people collecting the information,it is the people that they are giving excess to it,with their knowledge or not.

Casinos,stadium’s,fair grounds etc anyplace where a large crowd is expected facial recognition is already used,they did it in a city by me,everybody that visited the night clubs,restaurants antique shops or even walked down the street was captured,in the 5 years it was in use they caught 3 people that had a warrant.

In the meantime thousands,even international tourists were added to the data base,go to Disney world same thing,but that puts us as U.S. citizens into the international data base.

Any câmara that is connected to the internet,even the câmaras inside of your house or your cell phone can be used to track and watch you with or without you knowledge,bail bonds companies developed that program.

Of course all of this is in your best interests and helps keep you safe,from whom has yet to be determined.

[jcole]

City, my ass. They have jurisdiction over most of the state here because of the Great Lakes and Canada. In Ontonagon last week, I had a very friendly exchange with 5 Homeland Security guys.

...In Border cities such as Detroit,the local law enforcement can track but the feds can scan as far as their jurisdiction reaches,which covers the whole city.

[Henry Whalley]

If you’ve crossed a US border in recent years, there’s a chance all your text messages, contacts, call records, and more are now stored in a database built by Customs and Border

So, they have my dick pics?

[Honky Tonk]

So, they have my dick pics?

All on microfilm.

[MikeM]

I certainly don't want Trump to have my personal information, but I've crossed the border at least 500 times in the past decade. My company has several hundred employees crossing daily. I have yet to hear of any fellow employee, friend, neighbor, or family member being asked to submit their phone to CBP.

[Jimaz]

So, they have my dick pics?

Whenever I become aware of someone spying on me I exploit the situation by planting false information that I want them to believe is true.

In school it became clear that this kid intended to copy my answers during a multiple choice test. So I deliberately marked all the boxes one to the right of the correct answer and let him copy. Just before the end of the test I covered my test and quickly corrected all the answers. I scored 100% correct and he scored 100% wrong.

What are the odds of someone naturally getting a multiple choice test 100% wrong by marking all the boxes one to the right of the correct answer? I think any teacher could figure out what happened.

[Honky Tonk]

I certainly don't want Trump to have my personal information, but I've crossed the border at least 500 times in the past decade. My company has several hundred employees crossing daily. I have yet to hear of any fellow employee, friend, neighbor, or family member being asked to submit their phone to CBP.

First off, I don't know if you've heard, but Trump is no longer President. I'd be more concerned with Hunter selling my data to the Chinese so they can build up their database.
Secondly, your company probably has submitted paperwork to get clearance for their employees. I know 2 different guys that do support type work for companies in Canada, and both have clearances, and even crossed the border without issue during the Covid lockdowns.

[Henry Whalley]

All on microfilm.

LOL. Only when cold water causes 'shrinkage'...

[Richard]

LOL. Only when cold water causes 'shrinkage'...

They can capture the pictures but in order to get the zoom capability in order to view something that tiny,they would have to send it to the NSA for future viewing.

[Richard]

City, my ass. They have jurisdiction over most of the state here because of the Great Lakes and Canada. In Ontonagon last week, I had a very friendly exchange with 5 Homeland Security guys.

and people wonder why the south went to war over the governments overreach into state business,they should only be concerned with the border and not the surrounding city.

In the southern border states the feds are not involved in that far of a reach,I wonder why they find it acceptable up on the northern border.

CBP is around us also but they never involve in local matters outside of illegal persons,I have seen news articles about Detroit where local citizens are pulled over and that is wrong.

I would rather see the feds give monies to the local PD in order to step up enforcement then make local a fed state.

[Honky Tonk]

and people wonder why the south went to war over the governments overreach into state business,they should only be concerned with the border and not the surrounding city.

In the southern border states the feds are not involved in that far of a reach,I wonder why they find it acceptable up on the northern border.

CBP is around us also but they never involve in local matters outside of illegal persons,I have seen news articles about Detroit where local citizens are pulled over and that is wrong.

I would rather see the feds give monies to the local PD in order to step up enforcement then make local a fed state.

Mmmmm... Not quite true. In Detroit, CBP receives DPD calls and "assists" DPD if necessary. I know because a while back I was involved in a police situation and after calling 911, I decided to follow the perp. I was stopped, confronted by CBP, and accused of racism. I basically told him if he was going to continue patrolling the area, it would be wise if he removed his cranium from his anal canal. Anyway, he apparently, confronted the perp, and was told I was following him because "he was leaning on a building". He told me CBP monitors the DPD channel and assists if needed.

[jcole]

This means that all of Michigan and a good portion of Florida fall within their jurisdiction. At its widest point, Michigan is 105 miles wide.

Specifically, federal regulations give U.S. Customs and Border Protection [[CBP) authority to operate within 100 miles of any U.S. "external boundary."

[Henry Whalley]

At its widest point, Michigan is 105 miles wide.

That doesn't seem right???

[Richard]

This means that all of Michigan and a good portion of Florida fall within their jurisdiction. At its widest point, Michigan is 105 miles wide.

Yes 100 miles from any port,which covers pretty much all of Florida also.


But we do not mix fed and state because for instance,if the local PD pulls somebody over and they have a small amount of weed,they are not going to bother,but get a BP guy that is having a bad day they can charge with a federal crime.

The mixing really started after Katrina in New Orleans,get a bad guy and let BP be the primary and it moves to the federal level with more jail time.

We use state Fish and game wardens as back up if necessary.

Here BP does not really communicate with local PD,they just do their own thing.

[JBMcB]

That doesn't seem right???

190 Miles wide, lower peninsula between Sarnia and Grand Haven. What I think they are trying to say is that Border Patrol has jurisdiction over all land within 100 miles of a port, which covers pretty much all of Michigan. Yes, Lake Michigan ports count, too. Any port that can accept foreign vessels counts.

[MikeM]

Not within 100 miles of a port - within 100 miles of an external boundary. Always go direct to the source:

§ 287.1 Definitions.

[[a)

[[1) External boundary. The term external boundary, as used in section 287[[a)[[3) of the Act, means the land boundaries and the territorial sea of the United States extending 12 nautical miles from the baselines of the United States determined in accordance with international law.

[[2) Reasonable distance. The term reasonable distance, as used in section 287[[a) [[3) of the Act, means within 100 air miles from any external boundary of the United States or any shorter distance which may be fixed by the chief patrol agent for CBP, or the special agent in charge for ICE, or, so far as the power to board and search aircraft is concerned any distance fixed pursuant to paragraph [[b) of this section.

[[b) Reasonable distance; fixing by chief patrol agents and special agents in charge. In fixing distances not exceeding 100 air miles pursuant to paragraph [[a) of this section, chief patrol agents and special agents in charge shall take into consideration topography, confluence of arteries of transportation leading from external boundaries, density of population, possible inconvenience to the traveling public, types of conveyances used, and reliable information as to movements of persons effecting illegal entry into the United States: Provided, That whenever in the opinion of a chief patrol agent or special agent in charge a distance in his or her sector or district of more than 100 air miles from any external boundary of the United States would because of unusual circumstances be reasonable, such chief patrol agent or special agent in charge shall forward a complete report with respect to the matter to the Commissioner of CBP, or the Assistant Secretary for ICE, as appropriate, who may, if he determines that such action is justified, declare such distance to be reasonable.

[Richard]

screw the source and it’s technical terms,what people need to be aware of is the agency that protects you from the source who has its own little interpretation of what their limits are.

• Roughly two-thirds of the United States' population lives within the 100-mile zone—that is, within 100 miles of a U.S. land or coastal border. That's about 200 million people.
• https://www.aclu.org/other/constitut...le-border-zone

A Port of entry and a land port are two different things,I95 that goes from north to south or south to north depending on which way you are going,every time you leave one state and enter another,that is a land port.

If one wants to get really technical.

[MikeM]

Thanks for nothing.

[jcole]

You are right, it isn't. It's 205 miles from the base of the thumb to Lake Michigan at the widest point. Just a typo. Sorry

[jcole]

I meant within 100 miles of a border, and Michigan is 205 miles wide at its widest point. I garbled up what I was trying to say. There is no point in Michigan more than 85 miles from a Great Lake. So we are allowed to be patrolled and/or detained by Border Patrol everywhere in the state.

[Jimaz]

I wouldn't recommend this but what if someone were to clandestinely swap phones with a BP officer or clone his phone to yours and then forfeit "yours" as if it were yours?

They'd get all of his data instead of yours. LOL! Creep 'em out.

Reminds me of those old Spy vs. Spy comics in Mad magazine.

[Richard]

Thanks for nothing.

Like they say,you get back out of life what you put into it.

[Richard]

I meant within 100 miles of a border, and Michigan is 205 miles wide at its widest point. I garbled up what I was trying to say. There is no point in Michigan more than 85 miles from a Great Lake. So we are allowed to be patrolled and/or detained by Border Patrol everywhere in the state.

International airports are ports of entry as are road and Rail crossings on a land border,it kinda expands the scope of the 100 mile rule.

The only time an actual port as in water based is excluded is if there is no CBP does not have a dedicated customs office.