GM Anticipates $1B in Revenue from Self-Driving Taxis by 2025

[Lowell]

Driverless cabs? Would you ride one? GM thinks so, has been ferrying riders out West, and sees them a future big revenue stream. Will it face hostility from cabbies and Uber drivers? The ongoing saga of mobility transformation rolls on...

In June, Cruise started operating its self-driving taxi service in San Francisco where it charges for rides in Chevrolet Bolt EVs that operate without a human safety driver. Cruise uses a fleet of 30 Bolts to ferry the paying passengers around parts of the city. Those Bolts are currently built at Orion Assembly plant in Orion Township.

Now the San Francisco-based Cruise, of which GM owns an 80% stake, will bring a driverless taxi fleet to Austin, Texas, and Phoenix, Arizona, in the next three months, Cruise CEO Kyle Vogt said Monday...

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[401don]

So how do driver less package deliveries work? Do you still need someone in the vehicle to deliver to the door? Do you deliver items when you know someone is home and can take the item out of the unlocked vehicle?

[Jimaz]

Total Recall - Johnny Cab

[Jimaz]

GM Cruise recalls 300 robotaxis after crash involving bus

DETROIT [[AP) — General Motors’ Cruise autonomous vehicle unit has recalled 300 robotaxis to update software after one of them rear-ended a municipal bus in San Francisco.

Cruise says in government documents posted Friday that the robotaxi inaccurately predicted how the bus would move as it pulled out of a bus stop on March 23. The “articulated” two-section bus slowed as it was leaving the stop and was hit by the self-driving vehicle.

Cruise characterized the crash as a fender-bender and said no one was hurt....

“Cruise determined that the collision was caused by an issue related to prediction of the unique movements of articulated vehicles in rare circumstances,” the company said in documents....

However, no broadsides of a barn were hit in the incident.

[Lowell]

There will be crashes with the Robos. The question will be how does their crash rate compare to human piloted taxis.

GM Cruise recalls 300 robotaxis after crash involving bus


However, no broadsides of a barn were hit in the incident.

[Richard]

I thought they had auto braking thingy like they show in the commercials?

Who actually volunteered to stand in front to test it out?

But this is no surprise,Teslas still keep running into things while in that mode,who would have ever thought there would come a day a car could actually say - opps sorry I did not see you ?

[Jimaz]

Activists declare 'cone week' to fight driverless cars in San Francisco

An activist group in San Francisco is on a mission to put the brake on driverless cars, claiming the vehicles are unsafe, but the vehicle companies say it's the group's actions that are unsafe.

Note that a human driver could simply remove the cone and go on their way.

• Safe Street Rebel

[expatriate]

Maybe Phoenix, Austin or LA but San Francisco is small and densely populated and well served by public transit. This from an SF friend:

Yes, they are everywhere now. I don’t like them first and foremost because I think they will add to the number of motor vehicles roaming SF streets. I also don’t see them as being significantly safer because really traffic in the city generally moves pretty slowly already and whatever reckless drivers there are—and there are many here—will not be going away because of these driverless vehicles. Once I did see one break down on a narrow street blocking the busses that run there so there is something to be said about that and the fire department concern.
I have been called upon by my progressive friends to testify against them this Thursday. I may go. But I like the cone idea. Also, I like to play with them on my bike. My experience pulling in front of them causes them to stop whether or not they have the right of way. It won’t be long before other cyclists, pedestrians and drivers will realize the same. If these driverless cars are constantly stopping, maybe people won’t use them to get around. Or if they do indeed malfunction and perpetually block streets, that will be the end of them. So maybe unleashing them to let this experiment unravel is the way to go.

[Richard]

gotta love technology,instead of cow tipping if one is so inclined they can spend a few hours jumping in front of driverless cars,if a cow falls on you,you get squished,if a driverless car hits you,you get rich.

[Rocket]

Hysterical.

GM must be desperate to bump up their stock price in the short term, or perhaps borrow money against their massive EV and self-driving losses?

I wonder if anyone is going to fall for it?

[Richard]

Hysterical.

GM must be desperate to bump up their stock price in the short term, or perhaps borrow money against their massive EV and self-driving losses?

I wonder if anyone is going to fall for it?

You guys fell for it,you just gave them over $600 million,without them having to borrow it.

They figured you fell for the bridge scam so anything after that is like taking candy from a baby.

At least GM was honest,they publicly said there is no way auto manufacturers can meet the stated goals without heavy subsidies because it was not economically feasible,they did not try and sugar coat it,and now they thank you for your support,highly unlikely you will be receiving a Christmas ham but seriously if you are not willing to sacrifice your children’s Christmas and future in the interest of saving the planet,but not really,what kind of person are you?

I have a bridge for sale,interested?

Speaking of bridges and electric vehicles,California set the timeline for electric heavy trucks at 2035,no point in manufacturing them just for California so they will be implemented everywhere.

The argument for the new bridge was because the big smelly trucks were driving through Windsor.

Now no more big smelly trucks and no more cross border auto parts traffic that were supposed to pay for the bridge but you still owe $6 billion plus yearly operating costs.

The decision was already made where we are going with all of this,gone into debt for trillions of dollars so far and looking at spending trillions more while in the meantime spending billions more on the current infrastructure and the debt that it carries while knowing full well that it will all be obsolete in a few years.

It’s kinda surreal in a way you would figure given the path we are going down every thing that is done today that is costing billions would have some thought involved of where we are going to be at in five years.

Of course then again in 5 years they can say - o crap now we need this in order for all of these evs to even run on the roads = trillions more.

10 years from now hospitals will be required to provide office space in the paternity wards for collection agencies,so when a baby is born they can immediately file a lien on them for the $500k they already owe the day they are born.

I mentioned it before,the way the federal government accomplishes goals is under the basis of,if you throw enough money at something eventually you obtain your objectives.

To them billions and trillions is just numbers on a sheet of paper,or now on a computer screen,to us and future generations it is the difference between being able to afford a fancy electric car in the future or a house or an education for our children,it has meaning and ramifications to us personally.

If we cannot come to the agreement that it is better to put the horse before the cart,sense we are the ones that are actually paying for it all in real money and not Monopoly money,then we are just going to have to figure out more ways to come up with more ink for the printer and call dibs on which bridge we are going to sleep under now,cause it’s going to get crowded at this rate.

All of this stuff,driverless cars,taxis,flying taxis,drones delivering packages etc is cool at this point in time,on a small scale but there is no way in the world that through todays eyes we can implement any of that on a large scale without thinking in advance of how it will impact the current infrastructure or even preparing for it in the future.

[canuck]

Richard, your all dressed pizza is buried in too much pepperoni, tomato sauce and especially too much cheese to be digestible.

[royce]

Regarding the activists, they are being assholes. Driverless cars don't put more cars on the road, if their mission is to reduce cars' presence on city streets. Some people just want to put a clog in the machine to get attention. I was in San Francisco earlier this year and saw one handle a steep decline in the street without a problem. I don't think they go fast enough on city streets to pose a problem, especially in San Francisco. There might be a problem with them here in Metro Detroit because the streets are so fast [[8 Mile, Gratiot, Ford Road, Woodward, and Hall Road). Yeah, there will hurt Uber, Lyft, and taxis if their numbers grow. However, if you want to protest their presence, just don't use them.

[401don]

Richard, your all dressed pizza is buried in too much pepperoni, tomato sauce and especially too much cheese to be digestible.

It's truly amazing what comes out of the oven.

[Richard]

It's truly amazing what comes out of the oven.

At least I did not get suckered into paying $6 billion for that pizza,and if you had saved your $6 billion you could have bought the pizza shop and had at least $5.8 billion left over so you ride the little plastic horse in front of that pizza shop.

I will take my dressed salad pizza that cost $17 over yours any day of the week.At least I can afford it + tip.

Your children’s children will be paying for your pizza,long after the indigestion fades away.

You guys sold out future generations so you could enjoy your pizza today in a moment of cheesy pleasure,but my pizza is the bad one.

I bet you guys also wonder why your pizza never gets delivered.

As a Canadian y’all are going to need driverless taxis,because it is probably capable of going faster then 40 mph in the fast lane on the delivery and you will be able to experience a warm pizza fer the first time.

Interesting enough that’s what I ordered for dinner tonite and with delivery it is $17 + tip ready in 45 minutes,I bet you are expecting your $6 billion dollar pizza to be delivered any day now.

[Jimaz]

Regarding the activists, they are being assholes....

They most certainly are, and deliberately so!

Like it or not, the real world contains assholes too.

Maybe they're just trying to help train the algorithm to surmount more realistic obstacles.

[Richard]

AÍ is here do not need to train algorithms,that is so 1990s.

So what excuse does the non activists get to use? Their cause is no more just then the activists

I can never figure it out how some hate this country so much but yet still live in it.

Your buddy’s in Cuba,Korea and Russia do not seem to be so involved with saving the planet,China loves it because that is where all of this stuff is produced and they are the largest suppliers of EVs in the world and will destroy your local auto industry because people like cheap they already buy all of the cheap Chinese crap after they undercut U.S. workers,

You guys actually believe that they will not do the same with EVs ?

They have already done it with the parts to build them,the batteries to power them,the solar panels and wind turbines that power the batteries and even the cell phone that you can talk on while in your EV.

Does not make sense to me,but I guess when you care about your neighbors and country the socialist bots automatically kick in with a canned name to call somebody that may be a threat to the CCP financial future an activist.

Because they know that in China,activists get arrested and thrown in jail,because we cannot have opposition as it is a threat.

Maybe I am weird,people coming up with all of these grand schemes in order to save the planet and boycott companies and in social media where they call people names because they are not in lockstep in saving the planet.

But the one thing they never boycott or hold accountable and the one country that is destroying the planet and they are well aware of it.

They support the most.

They will not give $1 to a company because they said something they do not like,but they will give trillions to a country that is doing something that they claim is the worst thing happening in centuries and the very thing they base their entire platform on.

Green technology- yay we are going to save the planet and look good

China - yea but we are not interested in that part,we just want the money,we will cover the destruction of the planet part so you can get the money to send.

Green technology - yea we are not bothered about actually destroying the planet,we just want to look good and make people think we are doing our part.

By the way that last shipment of plastic water bottles was late .

People are not anti EV activists,they are anti hypocrisy and see little point in burning down the barn to save it.

[Jimaz]

...Like it or not, the real world contains assholes too....

at least 1 characters.

[Jimaz]

General Motors recalls all Cruise autonomous vehicles after dragging a pedestrian

General Motors' Cruise autonomous vehicle unit is recalling all 950 of its cars to update software after one of them dragged a pedestrian to the side of a San Francisco street in early October....

The Oct. 2 crash prompted Cruise to suspend driverless operations nationwide after California regulators found that its cars posed a danger to public safety. The state's Department of Motor Vehicles revoked the license for Cruise, which was transporting passengers without human drivers throughout San Francisco.

In the crash, another vehicle with a person behind the wheel struck a pedestrian, sending the person into the path of a Cruise autonomous vehicle. The Cruise initially stopped but still hit the person. But it then pulled to the right to get out of traffic, pulling the person about 20 feet forward. The pedestrian was pinned under one of the Cruise vehicle's tires and was critically injured....

[Lowell]

I was in San Francisco recently and saw several Cruise and Waymo autonomous cabs. The Cruise incident was big news but they were still cruising at that point. They were pretty easy to spot with their spinning "gumball machines" on top. Here is a Waymo [which are Jaguars] in front of us at a stoplight.

Change thread title to "GM Anticipates $1B LOSS From Self-Driving Taxis By 2025"?

[Scottathew]

It is funny to see all of the optimism that folks had about driverless.

The reality is sinking in, it's actually going to be really difficult. Also, no company wants the liability of creating these machines.

[401don]

I agree it will take time to work all the kinks out. After all, cars have been killing thousands of people every year since their invention. At least driver less cars don't drink and drive. Isn't that still the number one killer. Are they not using autonomous shuttle buses in Detroit to take Rocket employees to and from parking?

[Richard]

I was in San Francisco recently and saw several Cruise and Waymo autonomous cabs. The Cruise incident was big news but they were still cruising at that point. They were pretty easy to spot with their spinning "gumball machines" on top. Here is a Waymo [which are Jaguars] in front of us at a stoplight.

Change thread title to "GM Anticipates $1B LOSS From Self-Driving Taxis By 2025"?

What is interesting about that is Jaguar is owned by TaTa motors of India,but India has no government incentives for the development of autonomous vehicles,so here they are in the states courtesy of the U.S. government and taxpayers.

With the other link posted with the live crash test dummy it’s going to take AÍ to put it all together,which is a sci-fi movie in itself where in the future the cars get pissed off at humans and just start running them over,which seems to be already happening.

There was a big to do about an Indian start-up that acquired $1.7 million in funding and what they came up with looks like a toaster on wheels that uses lasers for distancing,they were able to produce a vehicle that works with $1.7 million in seed money,but it takes us billions.

[Rocket]

If self driving taxis ever become viable, many big cities will be forced to ban them.

Such as the trucking disaster in California now because of Newsome. To get around a vote on tax increases for his idiot plans, he instead started charging $100,000 each for taxi cab medallions [[instead of $1,500 or the like). So when Uber and Lyft came along, the drivers and the finance companies lending for the medallions screamed, and Newsome had to institute a law banning independence contractors [[which also eliminated many truckers from picking up containers from CA ports).

They'll have to ban self driving taxis also, or at the very least, force their owners to buy the $100,000 + medallions off current taxi drivers.

[stasu1213]

By greasing the palms of local greedy elected officials G.M. Will get it done